The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

Nobody has ever chased more than 284 to won at Trent Bridge in tests.

So it's gonna take a lot for Aus to win

trebellbobaggins wrote:

KP_fan wrote:if it's less than 300......Aus will win easily
if it's more than 350.....Eng will surely win

in between is 50-50
remember Broad may not bowl or at best roll his arm

Looking back at this... Easy win still on for Aussie then.

 yes KP is god..  



230 is the 50/50 point- but i would tend to agree with duty that with englands 2 main line bolwers and the ozzies brittle batting 180-200 is the relative par

Oh that was a pretty shot right there.

kingraf wrote:Italy - yes... The decision was given out, which means his appeal was succesful, and any fault over the catch's validity lies with the umpire. He was therefore banned  not for the dismissal, but  lying. If you see  no similarity, then thats alright.      

kingraf but that is my point broad has not lied here. Whether he has hit it or not he is not under any obligation to say anything. To lie means to say something which is not the truth. How can broad lie when he has not said anything? For the situation to be the same he would need to explicitly say that he had not hit it. All he has done here is accept the decision of the umpire.

alfie wrote:Morning all .

Lively enough first forty minutes.  Bell's century , Broad's fifty , Broad out , and the usually rational Holding making a total goose of himself calling for ICC action against Broad for not walking !!

Wonderful partnership that...should prove a match winner. Though the pitch is still playing well enough generally so Australia are not out of it yet.
Of course they still have three wickets to take before they think about the task their batsmen face.

Weather set fair ?

Bit of cloud and a small chance of rain in the evening, seems to be fine for the rest of the day though.

Australia looking a bit tired in the field after spending near-enough 5 consecutive sessions out there.

mystiroakey wrote:

trebellbobaggins wrote:

KP_fan wrote:if it's less than 300......Aus will win easily
if it's more than 350.....Eng will surely win

in between is 50-50
remember Broad may not bowl or at best roll his arm

Looking back at this... Easy win still on for Aussie then.

 yes KP is god..  



230 is the 50/50 point- but i would tend to agree with duty that with englands 2 main line bolwers and the ozzies brittle batting 180-200 is the relative par

KP always errs on the side of caution and adds a healthy dose of harsh reality to his analysis of England so I reckon he's a good one to set my own expectations against.

mystiroakey wrote:I think Swany has to slog- Its the only way he can play effectively enough

Yeah, we don't want him hanging around too long...we need him to be relatively fresh for bowling duties. I think we have a good enough lead now that we can just let loose with the batting and see how far we get.

"KP always errs on the side of caution and adds a healthy dose of harsh reality to his analysis of England so I reckon he's a good one to set my own expectations against."


 

Pattinson seems an angry bloke

Still Clarke hasn't put a third man in #headsgone

Lead up to 300, Swanny off the mark.

Come on England, bat till lunch! I love seeing the Aussies toil out there.

trebellbobaggins wrote:They were showing all the mess in this pitch suggesting there is tons here for Swann.  350 would have been a heck of a challenge even for the world class Aussies.

Why is agar getting nothing?  I see Henley player saying he was a great spinner but it doesn't look it,  he looks a bowling batsman.

Thats certainly what he looks like right now. His batting has definitely been far superior to his bowling so far. If this continues he may get re-assigned as a middle order bowling batsman.

That said he did get a couple of wickets, so maybe they'll persevere and let him develop that side of his game...maybe try and turn him into a genuine all-rounder. He's young and has time to improve.

Swanny is a much more experienced bowler so you'd expect him to get more out of the pitch.

Apparently agar has been bowling with a cut on his spinning finger. Maybe this could explain why he hasn't looked so threatening .

Reckon 300 is plenty for the Aussies to chase. Cook should be passing the message for Swann, Finn and Anderson to just have a slog.

Even if we're not all out by lunch, we should declare and stick Aus in. We don't want to leave ourselves too little time to bag 10 wickets.

Thanks for the odds Mystir. Thnk I'll wait on the draw...

Bell's gone for 109. A wonderful, dogged innings, that has put England in a perfect position to go 1 nil up in the series.  

Now a quick slog, and hope Swanny makes a quick 20.

Hmm, that's Aussies game then most likely if we take the KP analysis as gospel. In Kpfan we trust.

Well done Bell. Turned this into a contest.

Bit early to expect young Agar to destroy with the ball...spinners (Warne excepted) need time to develop. I thought he was steady enough.

Before the game I believed he was a "future project" player , so was shocked at his selection...the batting thing has sort of varied that  

And thats the end of Bell (the Bell end? ) Caught behind for 109.

Fantastic innings...arguably the greatest, most important of his career.  

Fantastic knock by bell. Well done! Don't think it will be long now before we are bowling.

the draw now up to 24/1..

aus down to 4/1..

england remain at 3/10

End of a great innings by Bell clap:  

Over 300 ahead ...time for Swann to play some shots ? Finn off his pair...

Good to see a bit of swing this morning by the way.

mystiroakey wrote:the draw now up to 24/1..

aus down to 4/1..

england remain at 3/10

Think we can forget the draw  

I think Trebbs is actually Andrew Strauss. The latter of which has just said in the commentary box that England need a lead of 350.

yeah the draw has gone Alfie- my theoritical bet wasnt a good idea. it got down to 7 at one point mind!

How much damage can the last 3 do then. 320 is very handy

just wang it lads- get a lashed 40 odd

mystiroakey wrote:just wang it lads- get a lashed 40 odd

Don't think it's the sort of pitch that would allow that.

that review by the bowler was surely against the spirit of the game

reviewing everything. bAN HIM!! 

Last wicket stand time. I am expecting a 170 clearly;)

Swann, living dangerously, survives a number of lbw appeals but is finally gone for 9.

Should probably have just tried to slog a few boundaries. Eng now 375-9.

Expect Jimmy won't hold back and will rack up a quickfire 20.

frustrating morning.

they looked like they were capable of taking the lead up toward 350 and challenging Aussie but nope, they've collapsed and they have no Agars to rescue them.

sadly aussie have time and talent to win this.

Sky and Strauss just pointing out that they chased this against SA in 2011 and that they didn't feel this lead was nearly enough. McGrath also confident England have fallen well short.

everyone agreed with kpfan it needed to be 350. very annoying to come so close to a match and capitulate again.

Swann gone. England will be bowling very soon. I think we'll win it tonight!

Duty281 wrote:I think Trebbs is actually Andrew Strauss. The latter of which has just said in the commentary box that England need a lead of 350.

yes.. he's a realist is AS. He just watched a game where we looked like we might have turned a mess around go up in smoke.

Well that didn't happen.

Anderson gone for a duck and England are 375 all out. Australia have to chase 311 for the win.

Think it'll be close, but if England play to their best, it should be enough.

310 to defend then!

Come on England!

Australia need 311 runs to win.

I'd say England have enough

Just about enough.

not nearly enough. 40 short and a bit of a sad collapse a-flipping-gain.

Very annoying after all the work of Bell and Broad to have the tail just quack out so lamely.

Aussie to win by tea tomorrow at the latest.

i'm just sorry I switch on. they always make a mess of it when I do.

Final prediction:

Australia all out for 170. Swann 5 wickets, Anderson 3, and Finn 2.

Clarke with a battling 60 or 70 odd.

Trebbs have you done something really wrong. You are our lucky mascott. now you seem like the jinx

So a fairly quick wrap up this morning and Australia chasing 310.

Nothing certain yet...Australian panel here don't sound overconfident...more "this isn't out of sight...if we get a good start etc...". I am hearing hope more than expectation...

Interesting half hour to lunch coming up.

inspite of the bet365 that gives Eng win 1.3 times rerturn and on Aussie win 3.5 times a return......I believe this is an even game at this point

what a delivery first up. Different league

it all depends on whether swann can get anything from a broken up ground. Agar was pretty lame but can contribute with the bat. Swann did nothing with the bat.

Difference between the two teams illustrated there. Aussie get 98 from their 11, England 0

KP_fan wrote:inspite of the bet365 that gives Eng 1.3 times rerturnand on Aussie win 3.5 times a retunr......I believe this is an even game at this point

 its not even close . infact i would say that is very good value on england

If we could nick a wicket or two before lunch that would be the perfect start.

Knowing our luck Australia will be 100-0 by tea...