matchroom new signing

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according to eddie hearn on twitter matchroom are to announce a new signing on Thursday any ideas on who this could be?

If it's Smith keep an eye on the news for a suicide from Tower Bridge as it'll be me chucking myself into the Thames.

3000 is doing well. I don't think Matthysse-Peterson or Bradley-Alexander drew that well in the States.

Hobson promoted that one superbly - old school hard graft.

It's Smith. Unbelievable. See you later lads. I don't expect a boxing vault named after me or anything like that, just know that this is Gallagher's fault.

KingMonkey wrote:It's Smith.  Unbelievable.  See you later lads.  I don't expect a boxing vault named after me or anything like that, just know that this is Gallagher's fault.

Really? If that scuppers the Gary Sykes fight I'll join you on that bridge.

Always room for one more. Hearn just announced it on Twitter, moments after my threat. Unreal. Just finishing up what I'm doing here in the office and I'll be on my way.

Wonder where that leaves Sykes?

If anything it is just more depth lost from the Warren promotions when you look at the fighters fleeing from his stable, not to mention the very real possibility that the rest of the Smith brothers soon jump ship!

Burns, Groves, McDonnell (Hobson but he is under the Queensbury/Warren Banner), Brook, Mitchell, Smith, DeGale,  ...

That's quite a list of fighters that he's lost over the past few years and whilst you could argue some of them would have been better off staying with Frank....the reality is Frank would have been a lot better off doing his upmost to keep them.

Would it not be for his International fights which boxnation screens the £10 a month would not be value for money to see Frampton & Chisora fight 3 times a year! And if SKY continue to rack up fights from overseas as they have begun to then real trouble lies ahead for the once 'man of british boxing'.

Bit disappointing, would have preferred McDonnell, would be better for his career to defend his title on a couple of Froch and Barker undercards.

Phew -- Sykes fight safe (now on under card of Froch - Groves). That's a must see card for me. Anyone going?

hazharrison wrote:Phew -- Sykes fight safe (now on under card of Froch - Groves). That's a must see card for me. Anyone going?

I am. Who else is on the card Haz?

Sadly, yes. I'll be there for this Smith-fest.

Joshua's on and I think Crolla is fighting Martin Gethin (which is a really tidy little fight).

KingMonkey wrote:Sadly, yes.  I'll be there for this Smith-fest.

Sykes will take him late.

Eddie has stated it will be a stacked undercard and rumours doing the rounds that Bellew v Stevenson could appear on the undercard (struggle to see it but masterstroke if it is)

You would imagine the following are likely to appear:

Joshua
Campbell (? headlines his own show weeks before)
Yafai
Stalker

Crolla is confirmed so perhaps Crolla v Matthews ....

Quigg could also be back and in action...

Kevin Mitchell to fight again maybe?

Lets be honest he isn't short of names to stick on the card so pretty sure it will have some depth to it.

owen10ozzy wrote:Eddie has stated it will be a stacked undercard and rumours doing the rounds that Bellew v Stevenson could appear on the undercard (struggle to see it but masterstroke if it is)

You would imagine the following are likely to appear:

Joshua
Campbell (? headlines his own show weeks before)
Yafai
Stalker

Crolla is confirmed so perhaps Crolla v Matthews ....

Quigg could also be back and in action.

Crolla's fighting Gethin. I think Fast eddie fancies Mathews-Mitchell.

Just edited my last post to include Mitchell...think you may be right...is the Gethin fight confirmed?


Froch v Groves
Bellew v Stevenson

Crolla v Gethin
Matthews v Mitchell
Quigg v ???

Joshua
Yafai
Stalker
Campbell

Wonder if people would still moan at that type of card for PPV

hazharrison wrote:

KingMonkey wrote:Sadly, yes.  I'll be there for this Smith-fest.

Sykes will take him late.

If that happens you'll see me on Sky Sports going nuts.

Names does not mean a stacked card.  Joshua, Stalker et al rolling over bums is not a stacked card.

Mitchell - Matthews would be good but I heard it would be December.

Bellew - Stevenson isn't going to happen in a million years.  All signed for Montreal no?

No it doesn't King - however I would rather see Olympic Gold Medallist and Bronze Medallist on an undercard than pay £15 quid to see them headlining their own shows ala Khan & Warren debacle.

You usually get at least one decent undercard scrap on a Hearn bill wether it's PPV or not...I can't fault too many of his cards so far for either quality or quantity.

The Froch vs Groves card is almost like the Warren card a year or 2 ago (Fantastic 8 or something)

Had Cleverly, Enzo, Chisora, DeGale blah blah blah. All names and title fights, the one where Enzo was beautifully finished by Lebedev.

It had a world title fight, Euro title, british title fights all on the card.

Point I am making is, that wasn't PPV worth, and neither is this.

Pure muck being sold as gold.

But anyway, I'll not be paying for it, but I will still watch it.

Instead you will watch it illegally from some stream....as you probably do most times regardless of the actual quality of the card...then you'll be the first to moan when SKY drop boxing all together because it isn't making the money required to warrant having it on it's platform...

Just what would be worth £15 in your view (anyone who constantly bemoans PPV cards by Hearn can answer this) ...I would like a major fight and undercard ...also no use putting boxing should be free to everyone because that is just never going to happen...

I saw David Price on the undercard of Fury-Big Bad John II I think.  I think Groves was on it too.  Anyway, the point I'm making is that neither fight went more than a round or two and it was crud.

I'd rather see some competitive fights on such a 'big' bill than Yafai, Stalker and Joshua flattening some poor East Europeans.

Great card on the 30th guarenteed. Eddie is the man. FACT!

Stealing Warren's fighters like they are chickens in a coup!

The likes of Stalker, Joshua, Yafai, Campbell etc are not going to go in with anyone half decent and nor should they just yet. The fact is it is still good to see them on the bill, as young brits I want to see how they progress....and at least I am not being asked to watch them individually on their own bills whilst paying £15 quid a pop each time just because they won Gold at the Olympics...which is what happened with Khan!

I mean are people expecting to see Barker, Froch, Groves, Burns & Brook all on the same card fighting Top 10 Opponents?!

Seanusarrilius wrote:Great card on the 30th guarenteed. Eddie is the man. FACT!

Stealing Warren's fighters like they are chickens in a coup!

I didn't even realise he had a card on the 30th Sean, Wednesday evening might not sell to well!

owen10ozzy wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Great card on the 30th guarenteed. Eddie is the man. FACT!

Stealing Warren's fighters like they are chickens in a coup!

I didn't even realise he had a card on the 30th Sean, Wednesday evening might not sell to well!

Haha, November 30th, to clarify.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Great card on the 30th guarenteed. Eddie is the man. FACT!

Stealing Warren's fighters like they are chickens in a coup!

I didn't even realise he had a card on the 30th Sean, Wednesday evening might not sell to well!

Haha, November 30th, to clarify.

Nope still nothing then...think you mean 26th...don't worry it's near the end of the week I understand

owen10ozzy wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Great card on the 30th guarenteed. Eddie is the man. FACT!

Stealing Warren's fighters like they are chickens in a coup!

I didn't even realise he had a card on the 30th Sean, Wednesday evening might not sell to well!

Haha, November 30th, to clarify.

Nope still nothing then...think you mean 26th...don't worry it's near the end of the week I understand

Damnit! Yup, what you said.

owen10ozzy wrote:Instead you will watch it illegally from some stream....as you probably do most times regardless of the actual quality of the card...then you'll be the first to moan when SKY drop boxing all together because it isn't making the money required to warrant having it on it's platform...

Just what would be worth £15 in your view (anyone who constantly bemoans PPV cards by Hearn can answer this) ...I would like a major fight and undercard ...also no use putting boxing should be free to everyone because that is just never going to happen...

Nope you're wrong Owen. I pay for both Sky and Boxnation. But am not will to pay a further £15 for fighters that are normal sky sports fighters, but put them all together and try to charge more.

A headline fight with TWO proven world level fighters would be a start. Groves is not in this bracket and this fight is a smokescreen. Hearn says this fight could not happen unless it was PPV. That is complete B0llix and only a braindead fool would believe that.

The undercard fights are still not PPV undercard matches. Mitchell vs Mathews???? Are you kidding me!? Both are yesterdays news. The other fights are guys not short of their debuts......So yea, if this is what Sky calls elite viewing and PPV fights then I hope someone kicks in their head office and trails Adam Smith out the back alley by the hair and forces him to sign a contract saying he will keep at least 2000 miles away from anything boxing related.

I even heard an interview yesterday saying Quigg will have a voluntary defence maybe on the card to keep things ticking over.....oh lovely, another competitive fight  

A voluntary defence of a belt that means nothing, he didn't win and only drew to retain.

Be still my beating heart.

Beneath that on the card will be Smith brother after Smith brother and somewhere in there will be somebody telling me Crolla is deserving of a world title shot.

And I've bought tickets for this!!!

Eddie's fanclub seem to be the only ones who view this as a legit PPV card.

Everybody else sees it as a few domestic fights.....end of.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, clearly people just read one sentence and come to a conclusion! I have consistently agreed that this is not worthy of PPV....fact, admitted, done and dusted.

What I have said is that if I am going to pay the £15 quid I at least want to see some depth on the card and some names... in past markets I have/people have been burned or asked to fork out that much to see Khan v Salita with an undercard barely worth mentioning!

At least with Eddie you will get all of our Olympic lads (not just one each headlining their own bill) as well as a couple of tasty domestic dust ups and one of the other 'bigger' names i.e. Bellew, Quigg, Brook, etc on the bill as well.

Again, I see many people moaning about paying £15 quid and claiming it is robbery, but just what isn't robbery....I want people to give me a card they would actually be willing to pay £15 for...because at the end of the day in this current climate we are always going to be asked to pay for PPV here and there. People need to accept that gone are the days of free to air boxing...unless someone manages to rally 200,000 plus people (and I would argue even that is to small) to not buy any PPV then nothing will change.

So you are left with two options: You either don't pay the £15 or you pay it and hope you at least get some value for money.

Ok, for my £15 I want a Froch vs Kessler type headline. Haye vs Fury I can handle (just). Under that I want a Bellew vs Chilemba type fight. Then after that I want Mitchell vs Crolla and Macklin vs Lee. Then you can line up as many bums as you like for various Smith brothers/Olympians to lay out.

Every fight on the PPV card I hear people talking about is a blow out except Crolla. Are there going to be any competitive fights? Froch v Groves is the most lopsided bit of matchmaking that I have seen in a while.

Call me ignorant but I don't even know the guy Crolla is lined up with. Considering they have plans for Crolla I really can't see him being a threat.

Hearn needs to pull his finger out.

Everyone is giving Eddie stick but could it be that Froch will only fight on PPV?

He may see that he had one, it did well and think that should now be the case with all his remaining fights until retirement.

Just a thought.

Froch is Matchrooms 'superstar' fighter so he needs to be paid accordingly without him the stable is purely domestic level in terms of interest. To give him the money he deserves/wants he needs to be PPV.

So what? People still need to deem the product worthy to pay for it. Just making it ppv doesn't mean people will buy it. There needs to be a decent card to make the product worthwhile.

I apologise then Owen if I came across as saying you agreed with it. I'm just defending the point you made about me watching streams which isn't true. I paid for Froch v Kessler and was going to pay for the Haye v Fury fight (only for the comedy angle). Just had a feeling that Fury would do something daft.

With this Froch card if Bellew was fighting Stevenson or Quigg was fighting someone like Darchinian etc on the undercard then fair enough. Even if Brook was taking on Shenchenko on the undercard, maybe it would have a touch of credibility to it. But it seems the card is stacked with low level domestic fights and tune ups for the newbies.

I dont mind paying PPV when its worth it. But this one is nowhere near worth it. DeGale etc got slated when the were fighting on Khan PPV cards, then Warren's fantastic 8 or whatever. These guys are NOT ppv fighters. I think Eddie could do more damage here with this card in particular. Most people seem to be questioning it, whereas the Kessler v Froch fight at least had the headline billing to warrant an arguement for it.

Once Froch retires, we will probably have Brook being pushed onto PPV as I seriously can't see any other Matchroom fighters that are worthy of an extra £15.

Interesting point about the Hearn stable only really having one top level fighter.


It doesn't stop Eddie buying up prospects and domestic level fighters, he is trying to completely tie up British boxing like his daddy did with darts and snooker.

and good luck to him.......

Strongback wrote:Interesting point about the Hearn stable only really having one top level fighter.


It doesn't stop Eddie buying up prospects and domestic level fighters, he is trying to completely tie up British boxing like his daddy did with darts and snooker.

Fair play to him on that I say, if it ensures that the best domestically fight eachother and have an opportunity to be propelled further then all the better for us as fans. As long as Froch is the only one who headlines a PPV then I don't a huge problem with it.

Competition is always good for consumers.

Remember that when Eddie is laying on the PPV's thick and fast.

Its not that HE only has one top level fighter. Its that Froch is THE only top level fighter in the UK (not counting Haye as he doesn't fight enough and the HW division is grim).

Hearn has Froch, Warren doesn't have any top level fighters, Maloney doesn't, Hennessy doesn't......

So the likes of Brook, Billy Joe Saunders etc will have to step up soon to fill this void. Froch only has about 3 fights left.

Not counting Barker either as I see that Geale fight as a one off. He isn't an elite fighter. and the Strum fight will show this when he gets beat.

No problem Reborn, my quip about streams was thrown out in anger purely due to the fact a fair few people have consistently slated anything I have said regards PPV without actually noticing that I am agreeing in the sense that this fight alone is not worthy of PPV.

Many people are happy to slate the card and say it isn't worthy of £15 but won't say what they deem to be value for money.

As you allude to I think this fight does need a very strong support act and as recently as last week the rumours were that Bellew v Stevenson would be it....murmurings also had Hearn hoping to put on Barker v Sturm as chief support but given the money that himself and Barker get from fighting in Germany they have gone down that avenue instead.

I don't think Hearn will flog us Brook as PPV unless it is against someone like Marquez, Bradley, Pacman, Khan or Mayweather. Simply put he hasn't the following to do that...however should he come through Senchenko and then go on and beat Alexander he probably will be classed as a PPV attraction...

I think the hoping will be that Groves actually upsets the apple cart here. I say that because whilst Froch probably has one or two fights should he win this, I only see one that sells well and thats against Ward. Froch has 12 months left at the top in my opinion and Hearn will have a ready made PPV star who he can line up against Kessler, Dirrell (should he do anything), Ward, DeGale 2 should it be Groves who wins.

I mean lets take a look at boxnation : Okay only £10 a month; this is the schedule for next few weeks:

Frampton v Parodi
Abraham v De Carolis
Hopkins vs Murat/ Quillin v Rosado/Wilder v Furtha
Chisora v TBA

Skysports:

Bradley v Marquez/Salido vs Cruz
Alvarado v Provodnikov
Brook v Senchenko/Rose vs Maciel as well as Joshua, Stalker, Cardle, Yafai, Smith
Rees v Coyle/ as well as Campbell & Towers vs Browne
Gennady Golovkin vs Stevens
Froch v Groves as well as Quigg, Crolla, Fielding, Joshua, Yafai, and others.

Now I pay £22 for my Skysports of that I would hazard that a mere £5 a month goes to boxing (that's generous) add my £15 for the PPV and that's £20 a month...

I know which one of those provides me with more boxing and arguably better fights....

That's the thing for me. People seem to think that Hearn gets millions and millions from SKY. He won't. Most subscription costs for SKYSPORTS falls around the £22 mark and the percentage he gets from each one will be tiny. He then has to use that plus revenue from Gates etc to host 20+ shows a year and put on all these people. No easy task and I think he is doing a better job than many have in recent years!

You also get HD for that Ozzy and do not have to endure Bunce. The second point alone is worth £20 to my mind.

Strongback wrote:Competition is always good for consumers.

Remember that when Eddie is laying on the PPV's thick and fast.

The more assets he has.....The more likely he is to "risk" them..........

something Warren will never do again after Kovalev..............which was no doubt Cleverly's idea.......

Frampton once he wins the IBF....... will fight a guy with a heartbeat in 2021.......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Strongback wrote:Competition is always good for consumers.

Remember that when Eddie is laying on the PPV's thick and fast.

The more assets he has.....The more likely he is to "risk" them..........

something Warren will never do again after Kovalev..............which was no doubt Cleverly's idea.......

Frampton once he wins the IBF....... will fight a guy with a heartbeat in 2021.......

Framton is under McGuigan.

Fighting at boxnation.........