Edinburgh v Munster HC

by ME-109 Tue 08 Oct 2013, 11:46 am

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Is this the non event of the weekend? Are there any Munster posters here? Can Edinburgh put up any sort of contest? Why is the sky blue?

Only injury concern for Munster is POM with the "alleged" concussion last weekend.....

Munster team and Edinburgh team below...Butler on instead of POM who is ruled out...

Munster: Felix Jones; Keith Earls, Casey Laulala, James Downey, Simon Zebo; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Mike Sherry, Stephen Archer; Donncha Ryan, Paul O’Connell Capt.; Paddy Butler, Niall Ronan, James Coughlan. Replacements: Damien Varley, James Cronin, BJ Botha, Donncha O’Callaghan, CJ Stander, Duncan Williams, JJ Hanrahan, Denis Hurley.

15 Cuthbert
14 Fife
13 De Luca
12 Scott
11 Visser
10 Leonard
9 Laidlaw CAPTAIN
1 Dickinson
2 Ford
3 Nel
4 Gilchrist
5 Cox
6 Basilaia
7 Du Preez
8 Denton

Embra subs – 16 Lutui 17 Blaauw 18 Cross 19 Atkins 20 Grant 21 Kennedy 22 Dominguez 23 Hidalgo-Clyne

by **Notch** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:24 pm

Could be a bit of a legendary afternoon for Edinburgh, the kind of result that can really give the players some belief in their selves.

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:24 pm

A tragi comedy of epic proportions by Munster.....Racing in Paris last year all over...

by Golden Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:24 pm

No LBP if he gets this.

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:25 pm

Not even a bonus point...

by Golden Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:26 pm

WTF was Murray doing?? Shocked

by wales606 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:27 pm

Just had a look at this pool, no big teams - this will be a huge boost to Edinburgh's chances

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:27 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Coughlan is making a fair few mistakes at the back of the scrum here - rather uncharacteristic of him.

laidlaw is making him

by GLove39 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:27 pm

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by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

Well I never......................................

by Golden Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

Well done Edinburgh hopefully that will kick start your season.

Laidlaw is a smashing player

by GLove39 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

Pride has been restored

by **RDW** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:28 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by The Saint Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:29 pm

Well done Edinburgh, a good victory and a much needed one!

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:29 pm

The english are right. Connacht and Embra add nothing to the comp.

by stub Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:29 pm

Well done Edinburgh! Great stuff to watch.

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:29 pm

ME-109 wrote:Not even a bonus point...

Oh hang on...it hit the bar...in Munster folklore I bet we win this year...the omens are with us... Cool

Well done Edinburgh....Shiite from Munster got what they deserved.

by **Notch** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:30 pm

Well that was a brilliant game in a game I didn't expect to be anywhere near as gripping as it was. I did think Munster deserved a LBP, but Edinburgh earned that.

Great game of rugby.

by GLove39 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:30 pm

Apparently it's Laidlaw's 28th birthday today! he's going to have one hell of a headache come tomorrow!!!! Very Happy

by Manky-Flanker Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:30 pm

Well done Edinburgh clap

by **George Carlin** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:31 pm

My arse in parsley. Who would have thought?
Well done Edinburgh - if any team needed a win, it was us.

Munster looked less cohesive than I've seen them, but Edinburgh's defence was good and we had Greig Laidlaw. Wonder to this day how he would have fared with the Lions. Pretty well, I would have thought.

by The Saint Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:32 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The english are right. Connacht and Embra add nothing to the comp.

Big slice of pie for the Franglo's... Coming right up!

by Mike Selig Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:32 pm

Great win for Edinburgh and ultimately richly deserved. Found something extra in the last quarter and although the try was a trifle opportunistic, thereafter they controlled the game superbly as Munster surprisingly lacked composure.

Thought the ref did well as well. Got a couple of calls wrong (the scrum leading to the Munster 2nd try being the most serious mistake I thought) but overall good, consistent and communicated clearly.

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:32 pm

Thats one of the best wins I can remember as an Edinburgh fan. Gives us a chance in the HC now to get out of the pool, gives the players some belief and Solomans something to work with in terms of morale. Can this kickstart the season? Can Laidlaw walk on water?

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:36 pm

jeez never saw that coming. Well played the MFLs - Laidlaw back to his best. they need a decent FH and an o/c too. De Luca was awful as usual. Denton did well as did Cox. Overall very well played clap

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:42 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
ME-109 wrote:Hey Rory...now you see why Stander doesn't start.....Very stupid..
He has added a lot of much needed momentum going forward though.

True as Butler was anonymous. Unfortunately without TOD and POM we are a little undercooked. The only back to look decent was Earls. As for our possible OHs. The one thing ROG brought over the past few years was control and lack of mistakes. Look at Jackson last night - nothing spectacular but no mistakes...Keatley always makes a mistake and made too many today at times when we needed accuracy.....

Also POC and Ryan were poor.

by Solid8 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:46 pm

Christ!

I am in the US and despite trying REALLY hard could not find a place that was willing to put the match on (even though I found a couple of so-called rugby bars), so was reduced to watching the BBC website refresh.

Are the highlights worth watching?

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:46 pm

According to http://www.espn.co.uk/heineken-cup-2013-14/rugby/match/191601.html
Cox 15 tackles du Preez 18!

by **Notch** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:47 pm

The lineout creaking for Munster was pretty uncharacteristic. Seemed like some confusion over the calls at times.

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:49 pm

Solid8 wrote:Christ!

I am in the US and despite trying REALLY hard could not find a place that was willing to put the match on (even though I found a couple of so-called rugby bars), so was reduced to watching the BBC website refresh.

Are the highlights worth watching?

Yes. Enjoyable game

by bedfordwelsh Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:50 pm

Well would you believe it, not many predicted this result. Well done Edinburgh

by **RDW** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:52 pm

Cornell Du Preez is very welcome to Edinburgh!

by Solid8 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 3:53 pm

TJ wrote:
Solid8 wrote:Christ!

I am in the US and despite trying REALLY hard could not find a place that was willing to put the match on (even though I found a couple of so-called rugby bars), so was reduced to watching the BBC website refresh.

Are the highlights worth watching?
Yes. Enjoyable game

Brilliant! I look forward to watching it in my soon to be jetlagged stupor!

by Sin é Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:03 pm

Well done Edinburgh, well deserved. Enjoy the win.

Munster were poor. Talking about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Munster lucky to get the LBP.

by Artful_Dodger Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:10 pm

Didn't see this coming, well played Edinburgh. I missed the match unfortunately.

by justified sinner Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:15 pm

I quite enjoyed that, the forwards looked like they knew what they were doing, Greeg was everywhere and Matty looked back to his best. Oh and Tim did what Tim does.

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:20 pm

What a glorious sight
Pool 6
Pos Team
1 Edinburgh
2 Munster
3 Gloucester Rugby
4 Perpignan

by BlueMuff Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:52 pm

ME-109 wrote:Jeez BM he has two tries against Zebre and Butler has one...not exactly a bag full

Butler was terrible today no power whatsoever! Cj did more in the 15 mins than Butler did in the whole game, our best back row is pom tod and cj

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 4:54 pm

BlueMuff wrote:
ME-109 wrote:Jeez BM he has two tries against Zebre and Butler has one...not exactly a bag full
Butler was terrible today no power whatsoever! Cj did more in the 15 mins than Butler did in the whole game, our best back row is pom tod and cj

He did he gave away a silly penalty...that took Edinburgh six points up.

Sorry BM POM, TOD and Coughlan are still our best backrow.

by BlueMuff Sat 12 Oct 2013, 5:00 pm

Thought coughlan was poor today got a lot of the ball but didn't make any hard yards. Probably would have won the game if jj didn't try that silly chip kick. We were holding possession and territory and didn't need to go chasing the game like that. Hopefully he will learn from that. Keatley wAs very poor today

by funnyExiledScot Sat 12 Oct 2013, 5:20 pm

Wow, just got the result. Very pleasantly surprised, particularly by the words 'Edinburgh defended like lions' on the beeb summary.

Sounds like Laidlaw was epic. Hopefully now a 9 for ever more.

Well done Edinburgh!

by TJ Sat 12 Oct 2013, 5:22 pm

Laidlaw had a great game. made a few crucial turnovers and harassed around the scrum. Crisp passing, good kicking, - a top display

by ME-109 Sat 12 Oct 2013, 5:26 pm

BlueMuff wrote:Thought coughlan was poor today got a lot of the ball but didn't make any hard yards. Probably would have won the game if jj didn't try that silly chip kick. We were holding possession and territory and didn't need to go chasing the game like that. Hopefully he will learn from that. Keatley wAs very poor today

Like I said..no control and too many mistakes....

I wouldn't discard Coughlan yet. He proved his worth last weekend and this week he didn't have much support all round.

by Weegie Wizard Sat 12 Oct 2013, 5:42 pm

That was terrific from Edinburgh. Under serious pressure and defended very well. What an improvement.
Laidlaw, Denton and Du Preez all brilliant.

Must repeat next week!!

by Tramptastic Sat 12 Oct 2013, 6:28 pm

So that wasn't a rubbish birthday present as it turned out! Munster fans were gracious in defeat, Scott played a blinder, 3 touches on the ball and the third touch he scored a try. Leonard had some Howlers but it was his pop passes early on that put Scott into space lead to our first try!

The Georgian played phenomenally and after writing him off I'd temporarily like to retract my derogatory opinions of him.

What a day.

by **RDW** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 6:56 pm

Some interviews:

"We've been taking a lot of heat recently from people outside our camp," said the scrum-half, who kicked 19 points in a man-of-the match display.
"We played the same game plan as the first five games - we just did it with more accuracy and more control.
"People can write what they want about us. I've got a lot of belief in the players and the coaches."
Edinburgh are bottom of the Pro12 and were brushed aside by Munster in the league last month.
However, with Laidlaw in great form with the boot and excelling in defence, the hosts battled to a thrilling victory at Murrayfield.
"It's always important to start well in the Heineken Cup and winning your home games," added Laidlaw, who celebrated his 28th birthday by passing the 500-point tally for his club.
"It was a great performance. I thought the boys were outstanding.
"We trained well all week, so it's no surprise to me that we turned up and played well."
Edinburgh lost all of their pool matches last season, having reached the semi-finals with a memorable run during the previous campaign.
"That was a great run but this is a totally different team and I'm not even thinking about that," added Laidlaw.
"We'll keep our feet on the ground after this win.
"Of course, we want to get back there. But it's about refocusing and we have a tough game in Perpignan next week.
"If we lose that one, we'll be pretty much in a tough position."
Edinburgh head coach Alan Solomons only arrived one month before the season started and has been busy recruiting several new faces, including Cornell Du Preez, who enjoyed a great home debut.
"It's all been about building," said winger Tim Visser, who scored a fantastic second-half try, adding to Matt Scott's early touchdown.
"Now we're getting used to the system and we got it right today.
Edinburgh Rugby's Tim Visser slides in to score his side's second try of the game against Munster
Edinburgh's Tim Visser slides in to score his side's second try of the game
"We've been talking all week about how we had to bring physicality and I think we outmuscled them today.
"It's a big moment but this is just a start and we need to keep building."
Solomons was delighted to send most of the 7,000 crowd home happy but believes his side is still some way off being a competitive unit,
"We know we have got a long way to go," was his measured assessment. "We are under no illusions on that.
"But to me, it is important that we keep improving week by week. It was great for the guys that they got that result. It was a real boost to their confidence.
"Of course that will help them take their next step up. But what we have been saying is that we need to be performance focused - not result-focused.
"If we get our performances right, and we have been so close, we will be okay.
"When we go through the match review on a Monday, we have been saying to the guys you are so close you won't believe it.
"I'm a massive believer that the difference between success and failure is the finest line in the world. If you persevere, you will cross that line. We are a determined lot and we are most certainly going to persevere."

by des Sat 12 Oct 2013, 7:40 pm

Spoke to a fairly duluded Munster fan in the urinals after the game who reckoned that the last try had 2 infringements to it. Didn't want to hang about discussing it as I'd finished me pee and he clearly hadn't.
Laidlaw's right when he says we didn't alter our game plan but just executed it better. He was good but the biggest gain was from Cuthbert who was genuinely good rather than awful and not having Atiga wasting a space on the pitch helped too.
I thought Scott was looking fat but he's just solid. Doesn't seem to have lost his ability to step back out of tackles though which is his main skill.

Felt like the Racing game of 2 years ago so here's hoping.

Slightly rambly so apologies nfor any clear cut nonsense.

by tecphobe Sat 12 Oct 2013, 7:46 pm

Munster literally through that game away with poor decison making why they were going for a chip over the defence on the edge of their own 22 with less than 10 mins left with a 6 point lead

by **RDW** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 7:54 pm

Gloucester beat Perpignan - let's hope Perpignan lose interest for next weeks game!

by **George Carlin** Sat 12 Oct 2013, 8:24 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Gloucester beat Perpignan - let's hope Perpignan lose interest for next weeks game!

They still got a LBP though - although it was a Jonny May moment of magic in the 74th minute that snatched the win. Tight, tight group.

by tigertattie Sat 12 Oct 2013, 8:42 pm

I can only think of three words.

Ones is what
Second is the
The third, ill leave to your imagination.

I'm gonna stop watching Edinburgh games. They do better when I'm not there.

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