HC, Pool 2, Round 2: Glasgow Warriors v Exeter Chiefs

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Glasgow Warriors   v Exeter Chiefs  

Sunday 20 October 2013, 14:00
Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow
 
Not on bloody telly

Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Touch Judge 1: Christophe Berdos (France)
Touch Judge 2: Tual Trainini (France)
Citing Commissioner: Jean-Etienne Bernard (France)

 
A. Current Standings:
Team/Played/Won/Drawn/Lost/Points For/Points Against/BPs/Points 
 

1	Toulon	1	1	0	0	51	28	1	5
2	Exeter	1	1	0	0	44	29	1	5
3	Cardiff Blues	1	0	0	1	29	44	1	1
4	Glasgow	1	0	0	1	28	51	1	1

 
B. Previous Match Line-ups:
 
1. Glasgow
 
(against Toulon)
 
Sean Maitland, Tommy Seymour, Mark Bennett, Alex Dunbar, Nikola Matawalu, Rhubarb Jackson, Henry Pyrgos, Ryan Grant, Dougie Hall, Jon Welsh, Jonny Gray, Al Kellock, Tim Swinson, Chris Fusaro, Josh Strauss.
 
Replacements: McGuigan for Dunbar (32), van der Merwe for Pyrgos (41), Low for Grant (66), MacArthur for Hall (52), Kalman for Welsh (52), Vernon for Swinson (52), Weir for Strauss (75).
 
2. Exeter
 
(against Cardiff Blues)
 
Phil Dollman, Matt Jess, Ian Whitten, Jason Shoemark, Fetu'u Vainikolo, Gareth Steenson, Dave Lewis; Brett Sturgess, Chris Whitehead, Hoani Tui, Dean Mumm (capt), Damian Welch, Tom Johnson, Ben White, Dave Ewers
 
Replacements: Jack Yeandle for Whitehead (48), Carl Rimmer for Tui (51), Don Armand for Welch (62), Kai Horstmann for Johnson (30), Haydn Thomas for Lewis (48), Henry Slade for Steenson (56), Sireli Naqelevuki for Shoemark (57)
 
C. Form (last 6 games):
 
1. Glasgow
 
Toulon - Glasgow 51-28
Scarlets - Glasgow 12-17
Zebre - Glasgow 17-24
Glasgow - Leinster 12-6
Ulster - Glasgow 12-13
Glasgow - Cardiff Blues 22-15
 
2. Exeter
 
Exeter - Cardiff Blues 44-29
Gloucester - Exeter 12-29
Exeter - Leicester 9-21
London Irish - Exeter 23-29
Exeter - Wasps 30-26
Northampton - Exeter 38-11
 
D. Teams:
 
1. Glasgow
 
15. Sean Maitland
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Byron McGuigan
12. Gabriel Ascarate
11. DTH van der Merwe
10. Ruaridh Jackson
9. Niko Matawalu
 
1. Ryan Grant
2. Pat MacArthur
3. Ed Kalman
4. Tim Swinson
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. Rob Harley
7. Tyrone Holmes
8. Josh Strauss
 
16. Dougie Hall
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Moray Low
19. Jonny Gray
20. Richie Vernon
21. Chris Cusiter
22. Duncan Weir
23. Mark Bennett
 
2. Exeter
 
15 Phil Dollman
14 Ian Whitten
13 Jason Shoemark
12 Sam Hill
11 Matt Jess
10 Gareth Steenson
9 Dave Lewis
 
8 Dave Ewers
7 Ben White
6 Tom Johnson
5 Damian Welch
4 Dean Mumm (capt)
3 Hoani Tui
2 Chris Whitehead
1 Ben Moon
 
16 Jack Yeandle
17 Brett Sturgess
18 Alex Brown
19 Don Armand
20 Kai Horstmann
21 Haydn Thomas
22 Henry Slade
23 Fetu'u Vainikolo
 
E. Parliamo Glasgow:
 
Alphabetty Spaghetti - D.T.H. van der Merwe, wing
Angel - Gabriel Ascarate, centre
Angela - Jon Welsh, prop
Barry - Byron McGuigan, wing
Big Boab - (see Ginger Tackle Monster, the)
Big Mike - (see Coo, the)
Big Naka - Leone Nakarawa, lock/loosie
Bluto - Josh Strauss, loosie/no.8
Centre, the - (see Lesser Messiah, the)
Coo, the - Michael Cusack, prop
Cooseetah - (see Cus)
Cus - Chris Cusiter, scrum half
DTH - (see Alphabetty Spaghetti)
Flippy - (see Toonie)
Fozzy - Christopher Fusaro, loosie
Furra Lineeeee - Peter Horne, centre
Ginger Tackle Monster, the - Rob Harley, loosie
Guns - Tim Swinson, lock
Henners - Henry Pyrgos, scrum half
Hoggy - Stuart Hogg, full back/wing/centre
Ickle Jon - Jonny Gray, lock
Jedi - James Eddie, loosie
Lesser Messiah, the - Richie Vernon, loosie/no.8
Mark of Nazareth - (see Messiah, the)
Meatball, the - Duncan Weir, fly half
Messiah, the/ - Mark Bennett, centre
Niko - Nikola Matawalu, scrum half
Niko's Mate - Jerry Yanuyanutawa, prop
No Maits - Sean Maitland, wing
Rhubarb - Ruaridh Jackson, fly half
Ruck Inspector, the - Alastair Kellock, lock
Schlong - Sean Lamont, centre/wing
Sherlock - Tyrone Holmes, loosie
Shrek - Gordon Reid, prop
Toonie - Gregor Peter John Townsend MBE, head coach
Wee P - Pat MacArthur, hooker
Weegie from Fiji, the - (see Niko)

I am obviously hopelessly biased but our threads are entirely the most entertaining.

George as you sit in your lacey smalls,you too, as Part Of the extended Warrior Nation, will miss a cracker of a tie. We will of course raise a plastic glass in your honour amigo  or where you are is it not more of a  

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:George as you sit in your lacey smalls,you too, as Part Of the extended Warrior Nation, will miss a cracker of a tie.  We will of course raise a plastic glass in your honour amigo  or where you are is it not more of a  

Appreciated Schiz my boy. I am indeed one of the few Scots who can sing about missing home when I'm not actually sitting there in the first place. You can get a decent pint of  in my local sports bar over here. More shannigans than you might think.

Better watch how loud you shout that GC - but take it its not Saudi like - I've been there (Jeddah) - makes Kirkcaldy and Barrow in Furness look like Las Vegas ffs

On a rugby note - I still maintain Jacko starts on Sunday with  kicking. He is on the form of his life - see the try he made for Nikooooh. We managed last year without a kicker so what has changed ? Meatball on at 60 as Jacko must be a bit weary .

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:On a rugby note - I still maintain Jacko starts on Sunday with  kicking.   He is on the form of his life - see the try he made for Nikooooh.   We managed last year without a kicker so what has changed ?   Meatball on at 60 as Jacko must be a bit weary .

C21st, totally agree with that - if there was ever a moment to back Rhubarb, then it is now. He's a confidence player, and must be rewarded for excellent performances. Happy for him to start the kicking too, with there to take over if nec, but let's get away from the daft notion that Henry is required for kicking duties - the Weege need to play their best players, and sadly that doesn't include Pythagoras.

Jackson must not start as kicker - when he misses his whole game collapses

Well he started as kicker on Sunday and landed 4/4

Nope - Pyrgos started as kicker. Jackson only kicked after Pyrgos went off,

are you prepared to gamble on Jackson not missing a kick?

Aye TJ but who kicked all the kicks - Pythagoras may have been on the field but thanks to good discipline by Toulon and bizarre refereeing decisions he did not get a shot at goal. Jacko kicked 4/4 conversions in the second 40.

Is this on Sky. I can't find it in the listings.

Edit:
Never mind. I can't believe this isn't on tv

Jackson is a confidence player, yes. We have seen him miss a kick and then continue to compound the errors, but I wouldn't ever say that it affects his overall game.

The flip side of 'confidence kicking' is what happens when he kicks that first kick - he could easily go on to kick 6/6. Some of his kicking over the past year has been exemplary, and he is in the attacking form of his life while also showing some newly-acquired defensive grit. We've been saying week after week that we're due a bad game from Jacko, but that hadn't come to pass. Until I'm proved wrong (and I'm sure it will happen eventually and dpectaculatly), I say we should stick with the lad.

Jacko to start and to kick. St Mark of Cumnock to kick if it all goes breast-upwards.

cakeordeath wrote:Is this on Sky. I can't find it in the listings.

Edit:
Never mind. I can't believe this isn't on tv

Unfortunately Perpignan v Edinburgh will be on the red button instead.  Must be cheaper for Sky to buy that feed from the French broadcasters than send their own team up to Scotland  

Does this mean no Glasgow-Exe on tv at all?
That would be unfortunate, to say the least.

No, not televised Doc.
 
Reminds me of November 2011 when Sky in their wisdom decided not to bother sending cameras up to Edinburgh vs Racing Metro at Murrayfield which they presumably thought was the dispensable match of the round. Edinburgh won it at the death 48-47 and 11 tries were scored.
 
There will be radio coverage on the @BBCSport website and via the ERC/Chiefs/Warriors own websites, no doubt.
 
The only reason that there, thankfully, was footage of the Racing Metro game (if you fancy a treat: http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/11/2249/edinburgh-beat-racing-metro-in-eleven-try-thriller-at-murrayfield) was because RM sent up their own cameras - sometimes the French clubs will do. However, I suspect that this is beyond the financial means of the two clubs playing this week...

So no video ref then- not great in this day and age.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:So no video ref then- not great in this day and age.

 That didn't occur to me. Surely that's not allowed?

If there are no cameras then what ya gonna do ?

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:If there are no cameras then what ya gonna do ?

There were cameras at every HC game last weekend, as Sky ran a highlights package of the tries from all the games.  Granted probably not the same number at the games not being shown live, but still of enough quality to provide good highlight.

Warriors game is the only one this weekend not on sky (even Zebre v Connacht is on the red button) but surely they will have it on the highlights programme on Sunday night!?

In all the Warriors SRU blurb from weeks ago they said it was not on TV

That is a bit of a shocker, I dare say the standard of rugby on display would be better than Connacht and Zebre.

Boom:-
from the Evening Times 17/10/13 Toonie Talks:-
"Unfortunately for us, Alex Dunbar at centre is struggling with injury. He's not going to play which is a shame.

He's one of our form players but that gives an opportunity for someone else to come in and, in Gabriel Ascarate, I'm glad we have someone like him who can step up."   

If Sky aint showing it then BBC Alba should be allowed to rock up I say!

I'm sure there wil lbe all kinds of legalities involved but really, what would be the harm eh?

tigertattie wrote:If Sky aint showing it then BBC Alba should be allowed to rock up I say!

I'm sure there wil lbe all kinds of legalities involved but really, what would be the harm eh?

Or we can pay Schiz in Skittles to sit in the north stand with his video camera. He can also commentate.

George Carlin wrote:

tigertattie wrote:If Sky aint showing it then BBC Alba should be allowed to rock up I say!

I'm sure there wil lbe all kinds of legalities involved but really, what would be the harm eh?

Or we can pay Schiz in Skittles to sit in the north stand with his video camera. He can also commentate.

C21st can do the videoing, I'll do the commentatiing!  

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

tigertattie wrote:If Sky aint showing it then BBC Alba should be allowed to rock up I say!

I'm sure there wil lbe all kinds of legalities involved but really, what would be the harm eh?

Or we can pay Schiz in Skittles to sit in the north stand with his video camera. He can also commentate.

C21st can do the videoing, I'll do the commentatiing!  

Eh no ta Asbo!!!

Your commentary would consist of

"ball comes out the scrum, the weegie from Fiji passes to Jackson. Why did he pass to jackson, he should pass to Bennett"
"Ball off the top of the line out, Kellock taps the ball down to Matalawu. Why did he tap it to him? He should have tapped it to Bennett"
"Glasgow have the ball. Pass it to Bennett. Pass it to Bennett  "
"FFS, pass the ball to Bennett"
"Glasgow steal the ball in the ruck, jackson does a miss pass behind Bennett to DTH. WTF"
"gunshot sound" - Jackson lays motionless on the pitch!

Glasgow Warriors team to play Exeter Chiefs, Heineken Cup, Scotstoun Stadium, Sunday 20 October (kick-off 2pm):

15. Sean Maitland

14. Tommy Seymour

13. Byron McGuigan

12. Gabriel Ascarate

11. DTH van der Merwe

10. Ruaridh Jackson

9. Niko Matawalu


1. Ryan Grant

2. Pat MacArthur

3. Ed Kalman

4. Tim Swinson

5. Al Kellock (Captain)

6. Rob Harley

7. Tyrone Holmes

8. Josh Strauss


16. Dougie Hall

17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa

18. Moray Low

19. Jonny Gray

20. Richie Vernon

21. Chris Cusiter

22. Duncan Weir

23. Mark Bennett



Not available due to injury: Mike Cusack (shoulder), Alex Dunbar (neck/ shoulder), Finlay Gillies (hamstring), Stuart Hogg (wrist), Peter Horne (knee), Sean Lamont (calf), Peter Murchie (shoulder) and Ryan Wilson (shoulder).

I like that back three, though with Hogg, Schlong and Murchie all crocked, we're looking a little thin in the ground. Thankfully none of those injuries looks to be long term.

Bennett bring dropped was probably inevitable, considering how much he's been playing. I imagine it's the same story with Fozzy, though I've been quietly impressed with Sherlock, who should go well.

The upsides? Niko where he's supposed to be, Alphabite, Ginger Tackle Monster and Archangel all in, and Swinson being given another chance.

All this being said, we have to win this one. Effectively, the cup starts now.

Surprised (pleasantly with my Exe hat on) to see Jon Welsh disappear altogether, even tho he did experience a torrid time against the monster last weekend - Kalman defo there to be targeted by Brett Sturgess. Equally don't understand the inclusion of Barry over - defensive frailty over defensive solidity. Altho Rob Baxter will have already chosen his starting XV (likely to be unchanged save for injury replacements - Johnson and Rimmer), if I was him I'd be tempted to play Sireli Naqelevuki at 13 - Barry's tackling is almost non-existent. Swinson and Big Al back in the boiler room makes sense, with Jonny covering on the bench. The backrow will have to be on top form, including Sherlock, to counter Exe's breakdown threat

Asbo, if that fence is giving you splinters, I've got some tweezers and Detol wipes...

IanBru -  
 
Reasonable team - our most brutal set of loose forwards on the field there - nothing will get past that lot around the fringes. Quite a good bench - Niko's Mate is definitely the best choice on the loosehead side, it seems. Kalman will hopefully hold up well enough - Low (who continues to disappoint me) is there on the bench to provide middling support if required.
 
I would rather have stuck DTH at 13 as he's played there for the Canucks and understands the defensive alignment better. Barry should do what he does best on a wing.
 
Ascarate, Maitland and Barry tore Zebre to shreds - no reason why that shouldn't continue with DTH and Niko back to form. We are at home and we need a BP win 0 no fear, we need to go for it.

Not sure what to make out of that team, happy with the back row, half backs and back 3.
Concerned about the front row, good news is i wasn't too impressed by Exeter's scrum against Cardiff.
I would have Jonny Gray instead of Swinson (who was poor on sunday and cost the 1st try).
What exactly has Bennett been doing wrong to be dropped?

IanBru wrote:Asbo, if  that fence is giving you splinters, I've got some tweezers and Detol wipes...

We'll save that for the Sportshall on Sunday shall we?!?! TJ's parents may get more than they bargained for!!

VinceWLB wrote:Not sure what to make out of that team, happy with the back row, half backs and back 3.
Concerned about the front row, good news is i wasn't too impressed by Exeter's scrum against Cardiff.
I would have Jonny Gray instead of Swinson (who was poor on sunday and cost the 1st try).
What exactly has Bennett been doing wrong to be dropped?

Bit harsh on Swinson, Vince, given that he was playing out of position? He's still for my view the best all round lock at Glasgow

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:Not sure what to make out of that team, happy with the back row, half backs and back 3.
Concerned about the front row, good news is i wasn't too impressed by Exeter's scrum against Cardiff.
I would have Jonny Gray instead of Swinson (who was poor on sunday and cost the 1st try).
What exactly has Bennett been doing wrong to be dropped?

Bit harsh on Swinson, Vince, given that he was playing out of position?  He's still for my view the best all round lock at Glasgow

I know he was out of position but should have done better imo, Gray did very well and get dropped, good impact sub though.

No, no, no - we need Swinson. Everybody needs a Swinson.
He is back at home now and won't spend the game worrying which side of the scrum he's supposed to stick his head at.

Glasgow favourites for this one, with a definite home advantage, but I can see it being a close one.

Assuming Exe are without only TJ and Carl Rimmer from last weekend, I'm expecting this XXIII: Dollman, James, Whitten, Shoemark, Jess, Steenson, Lewis; Sturgess, Whitehead, Tui, Mumm, Welch, White, Scaysbrook, Ewers; Yeandle, Moon, Brown, Armand, Horstmann, Thomas, Slade, Hill (if TJ or Rimmer make it, ditch Scays for TJ altogether with White switching to openside, and Rimmer displaces Brown on the bench); only other comment is that I've personally promoted Sam Hill over Naqer, and have assumed that a fit again Tom James would replace Fetu'u Vainikolo - neither of those two things may actually happen

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

123456789 wrote:I thought Mark Bennett looked well at home on Sunday even in the first half as did Jonny Gray, in the second half a few others joined them and had they picked their full team then we could have run them close.

I'd go for:

15. Maitland
14. Seymour
13. Bennett
12. Dunbar
11. Van Der Merwe
10. Weir
9. Niko
8. Strauss
7. Fusaro
6. Harley
5. Kellock
4. Swinson
3. Welsh
2. MacArthur
1. Grant

16. YanuYanutawa
17. Hall
18. Low
19. Swinson
20. Holmes
21. Cusiter
22. Jackson
23. Lamont

Numbahs, that's plenty of your blasphemy, don't let fES hear you for goodness sake - these lads have to play another 4,832,971 games before they can be considered professionals

 
This could be the game of the second round, really too close to call with Exeter on fire at the moment.
I can't see how you are not selecting Rhubarb to start who is playing bloody good and is a much more attacking threat than Weir, I would bring Schlong into midfield and you have to play Gray from the off.

wacko jacko may be getting rested? Weir needs game time too.

flyhalffactory wrote: 
This could be the game of the second round, really too close to call with Exeter on fire at the moment.
I can't see how you are not selecting Rhubarb to start who is playing bloody good and is a much more attacking threat than Weir, I would bring Schlong into midfield and you have to play Gray from the off.

fhf, Rhubarb starting, see the selection above - this was just numbah's personal picks

But you HAVE to win this home game tigertattie. Bring Weir on after 55-60 mins  

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote: 
This could be the game of the second round, really too close to call with Exeter on fire at the moment.
I can't see how you are not selecting Rhubarb to start who is playing bloody good and is a much more attacking threat than Weir, I would bring Schlong into midfield and you have to play Gray from the off.

fhf, Rhubarb starting, see the selection above - this was just numbah's personal picks

Ahhh got you. Come on my brothers

I rate Weir highly - just been really unfortunate with injuries and duff selection. Ruined two seasons now for him

that is a better team from Glasgow than last week.

Not sure at Byron McG at 13 right enough. With  on the bench though it may be wee bit of rest - he is only 19 and has played a lot of rugby this season (along with J Gray). Though with that back line 9-15 there are some mental speedsters there.  

  is 20 now I think - old enough to grow a 'beard a la Strauss'

I remember when I tried to grow a beard at 20.

After five months without shaving, I looked like Prince.

Well Bluto Strauss' beard is better that Jacko's and Big Bad Bob Harley's 'Ginja Abe Lincoln' look.

IanBru wrote:I remember when I tried to grow a beard at 20.

After five months without shaving, I looked like Prince.

 
Not good. I recall it was either Boy George or Clive James who described him as a "dwarf dipped in a bucket of pubic hair".

Anyone got views on Byron McG at centre ?