Leinster v Ospreys HC

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Leinster

15. Rob Kearney; 14. Dave Kearney, 13. Brian O'Driscoll, 12. Gordon D'Arcy, 11. Luke Fitzgerald; 10. Jimmy Gopperth, 9. Eoin Reddan; 1. Cian Healy, 2. Sean Cronin, 3. Martin Moore, 4. Devin Toner, 5. Mike McCarthy, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Shane Jennings, 8. Jamie Heaslip (c)
16. Richardt Strauss, 17. Jack McGrath, 18. Mike Ross, 19. Leo Cullen, 20. Jordi Murphy, 21. Isaac Boss, 22. Ian Madigan, 23. Zane Kirchner

Ospreys

15. Sam Davies ; 14. Jeff Hassler, 13. Jonathan Spratt, 12. Ben John, 11. Aisea Natoga; 10. Dan Biggar, 9. Rhys Webb; 1. Ryan Bevington, 2. Richard Hibbard, 3. Adam Jones, 4. Alun-Wyn Jones (c), 5. Ian Evans, 6. Tyler Ardron, 7. Justin Tipuric, 8. Ryan Jones
16. Scott Baldwin, 17. Marc Thomas, 18. Dan Suter, 19. Lloyd Peers, 20. James King, 21. Morgan Allen, 22. Thomas Habberfield, 23. Matthew Morgan

discuss

Leinster win by 30 (well near enough) as I predicted by looking at the teams and knowing the tactics of each team. To think I got slated for it too.

The Saint wrote:Leinster win by 30 (well near enough) as I predicted by looking at the teams and knowing the tactics of each team. To think I got slated for it too.

I'm fairly sure the red card wasn't a part of the ospreys tactics.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:You could go up to Belfast and watch the ravens get humped by the top side in the B&I cup. Or perhaps they will hold the Pirates to 3 tries or less and Leinster A will be the top side in the B&I.   

Otherwise I would go with a bit of Leinstertainment from your couch.

Ravens win 27-23   

nathan wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Evans knew what he was doing, anyone who defends him is as much a mug as him. You just can't do that now and nor should you. Rake a back maybe, but don't rake a head. 12 week ban, he was looking down.

Welcome,

What do you think to the Cullen stamping?

Sorry didn't see whole match, but searched and can't find a reference to it. Have no bias towards welsh or irish, just think awful stamp.

wilhelm wrote:

nathan wrote:

wilhelm wrote:Evans knew what he was doing, anyone who defends him is as much a mug as him. You just can't do that now and nor should you. Rake a back maybe, but don't rake a head. 12 week ban, he was looking down.

Welcome,

What do you think to the Cullen stamping?

Sorry didn't see whole match, but searched and can't find a reference to it. Have no bias towards welsh or irish, just think awful stamp.

I didn't see the red card stamp, but from what i read it was bad.

Should be banned for quite a while - dirty besterd

The Saint wrote:Leinster win by 30 (well near enough) as I predicted by looking at the teams and knowing the tactics of each team. To think I got slated for it too.

You weren't slated for anything you just stated, just for being lazy.

It was.

BTW those commentators were a right pair of wenkers

i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

Went through the numbers and I think it will be Leinster away to Toulouse, Munster away to Clermont and Ulster home to Saracens. And Connacht 3rd Amlin place Alot is riding on Ulster winning which i think they will do.

Well done Lienster. Good luck with the closing stages.

nathan wrote:

The Saint wrote:Leinster win by 30 (well near enough) as I predicted by looking at the teams and knowing the tactics of each team. To think I got slated for it too.

I'm fairly sure the red card wasn't a part of the ospreys tactics.

Oh dear another daft and unfunny comment. O's defensive strategy gives opposition teams outside backs too much space, teams like Leinster who play a high tempo running game. Not only that but there's been an utter refusal to strengthen the coaching team and squad. Much the opposite of Leinster. The Saint's first post in this thread alluded to these facts and I was attacked for it.

nathan wrote:i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

Picked up bad habits in Leicester maybe

tecphobe wrote:

nathan wrote:i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

Picked up bad habits in Leicester maybe

nothing wrong with good aul fashion rucking so long as you don't stamp on the guys head.   

The Saint wrote:

nathan wrote:

The Saint wrote:Leinster win by 30 (well near enough) as I predicted by looking at the teams and knowing the tactics of each team. To think I got slated for it too.

I'm fairly sure the red card wasn't a part of the ospreys tactics.

Oh dear another daft and unfunny comment. O's defensive strategy gives opposition teams outside backs too much space, teams like Leinster who play a high tempo running game. Not only that but there's been an utter refusal to strengthen the coaching team and squad. Much the opposite of Leinster. The Saint's first post in this thread alluded to these facts and I was attacked for it.

oh your a bit precious tonight.

tecphobe wrote:

nathan wrote:i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

Picked up bad habits in Leicester maybe

lol, more chance of it happening in Cardiff!

Well done, Leinster   

Ospreys gave it a good go. Evans was a bit stupid. Might have repercussions on his 6Ns.

Hoping Connacht can upset the Sarries, and Ulster to beat the Tiggers   

[quote="Munchkin"]Well done, Leinster   

Ospreys gave it a good go. Evans was a bit stupid. Might have repercussions on his 6Ns.

Jake Ball could be called up, also Ryan Jones went off injured again. Lewis Evans could be called up also.

nathan wrote:i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

I honest to god missed it.

Notch wrote:

nathan wrote:i'm surprised many haven't mentioned Cullens stamp, it should of been a yellow IMO

I honest to god missed it.

So did the referee apparently   

Sounds like it, aye.

Evans stamp on McCarthy:

http://gfycat.com/QuarrelsomeSociableCondor

For me there are 3 stamps to the head there and Evans is looking down as hes doing it.  Expecting a very lengthy ban, somewhere around 12 weeks.

Looks like three. It's the last of those three that is most damning. Evans is looking downwards during all three stamps/rakes, but appears to be looking directly at where he is placing his foot on the third.

Silly boy.

I think that's a bit harsh, I mean yes he is looking down but I think it would be pretty difficult for him to see where he was stamping considering he was in the middle of a maul.
first of all stamping on the head a massive no no, and frankly is just plain dirty, however in the middle of a maul it is difficult to see where your feet are going and to be honest if there is a player on the floor like that clearly trying to collapse the maul I am not going to be bothered where my feet go down or how hard.

Artful_Dodger wrote:Evans stamp on McCarthy:

http://gfycat.com/QuarrelsomeSociableCondor

Check the guy in the crowd...he knows how long the ban should be.

welshy824 (new) wrote:I think that's a bit harsh, I mean yes he is looking down but I think it would be pretty difficult for him to see where he was stamping considering he was in the middle of a maul.
first of all stamping on the head a massive no no, and frankly is just plain dirty, however in the middle of a maul it is difficult to see where your feet are going and to be honest if there is a player on the floor like that clearly trying to collapse the maul I am not going to be bothered where my feet go down or how hard.

Where were you when Andrew Hore needed some support?

Watched it back and it was clealry intetnional. Diy and not called for, it not like it could be classed as an accident becuase he done it at least three times. He deserves a long ban for that.

Felt sorry for the ospreys, thought Adam was great and what he needed, ALyn wyn and hibbard were great as well.
It was a mess of a game and i felt sorry for the likes of Adam, Alyn Wyn and Tipruic who worked themselves into the ground due to being a man down. Ian let his team mates down more than anything.
Hope hibbard and ryan are ok, both played very well when they were on.

Bare in mind folks, Ian Evans has a poor disciplinary record and because he was facing his own players his rucking was illegal even aside from the 3 or more head stamps.  The other Ospreys players were rucking legally as the boots weren't to McCarthy's head and they were driving forward. 

Taking everything into consideration I think hes look at an absolute minimum of 8 weeks and probably more like 10 or 12.

welshy824 (new) wrote:I think that's a bit harsh, I mean yes he is looking down but I think it would be pretty difficult for him to see where he was stamping considering he was in the middle of a maul.
first of all stamping on the head a massive no no, and frankly is just plain dirty, however in the middle of a maul it is difficult to see where your feet are going and to be honest if there is a player on the floor like that clearly trying to collapse the maul I am not going to be bothered where my feet go down or how hard.

It's just that Evans appears to have a good look to see what's beneath him on the third stamp/rake. When Evans was carded I thought it harsh. Just looked like a bit of raking to me, and he wasn't alone in that. Then it showed it from a different angle, and I wasn't so sure. On looking at the link Dodger provided it looks as though he can see where he is putting his foot. Not so much in the first two stamps, but the third.
I'm just saying how it looks to me at the moment, and hopefully I'm reading it wrong. Like you, I find it hard to believe he would intend to stamp on his head, but the camera suggest otherwise.

Maybe after some sleep I will see it in a different light.

Goodnight   

http://www.rugbydump.com/2013/06/3260/james-horwill-cleared-after-alleged-stamp-on-alun-wyn-jones-in-first-test?page=all

Ah! The "I couldn't see" James Horwill defence...

I'd be surprised if he could see the player. Watching that clip, as it's a maul I'd think that when Evans looked down all he'd see is the guys standing up attached to the maul.

But stamping is bad so should be punished with a ban. You don't have to stamp to walk up the field, which is what you do in a maul as apposed to rucking. So it was clear that Evans felt something underfoot and decided to stamp. But I don't reckon he would be able to see through the bodies to see what he was stamping on, if that makes sense. Ban though, for sure.

Ian Evans has plenty of previous. Don't forget he effectively ended the career of harry Ellis when he stamped on his knee. With ian evens track record its obvious this was intentional. He deserves at least a 12 week ban. I would say that I find it amusing that many on here are rightly condemning uan evens when they defended Healy not so long ago for the stamp on Coles ankle...

Nick Wood got an 8 week ban for similar with a fair disciplinary record. Evans could be looking at substantially longer. Easily into double figures of weeks.

Missed the game. Any news on the Jones & Hibbard injuries?

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:Missed the game. Any news on the Jones & Hibbard injuries?

I guess injuries like these are the last thing Gatland wanted and he will have everything crossed this weekend that no more follow. I am pretty sure we will see a few more players added to squad after this weekend.

I don't think Evans knew it was his head but he knew it was a player. Serious ban to follow. If Cullen did something too hopefully it is picked up.

welshy824 (new) wrote:I think that's a bit harsh, I mean yes he is looking down but I think it would be pretty difficult for him to see where he was stamping considering he was in the middle of a maul.
first of all stamping on the head a massive no no, and frankly is just plain dirty, however in the middle of a maul it is difficult to see where your feet are going and to be honest if there is a player on the floor like that clearly trying to collapse the maul I am not going to be bothered where my feet go down or how hard.

But if you contact the players head with your foot 3 times, then you'll agree it's a red with a lengthy ban to follow? Surely? Evans knew he'd done wrong and when the ref showed red his look of surprise said it all - acting not his forte. The fact that someone's collapsed a maul, does not give you license to not be bothered where you're treading, let the ref penalise him not your stray boot. If he didn't see where he was stamping he could just as easily blinded him - would you be defending him then?

Standulstermen wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:You could go up to Belfast and watch the ravens get humped by the top side in the B&I cup. Or perhaps they will hold the Pirates to 3 tries or less and Leinster A will be the top side in the B&I.   

Otherwise I would go with a bit of Leinstertainment from your couch.

Ravens win 27-23   

Go the Ravens! That leaves Leinster A as top seeds.

Scrappy game with loads of handling errors on both sides. If Evans had not walked the scores would have been a lot tighter and we would have no bonus point. BP may make no difference to our placing anyway depending on today and tomorrow.

The whole Grandstand stood up in unison and clapped Richardt strauss onto the field. was lovely to see and great to have him back.

GloriousEmpire wrote:

Artful_Dodger wrote:Evans stamp on McCarthy:

http://gfycat.com/QuarrelsomeSociableCondor

Check the guy in the crowd...he knows how long the ban should be.

Too far away to see it on the big screen last night, but that clip shows it was bad and a defo red card. Very similar to Leinster Munster game a few years ago when the bull Hayes got a red for stamping on Healy in a maul. Not sure what sort of a ban the Bull got then, but unlike Evans who has lots of previous them Bull had a pretty clean record

McCarthy had a large cut on his head from a stamp, someone had to walk. But at one point he had about 5 pairs of boots on him, and rightly so seeing as he was in the wrong position seemingly trying to commit a foul which happened a few times on the night, yet only one team was getting penalised for it. It could have been anyone other than Evans that was responsible for the injury caused. Also, not sure why Poite gave the first penalty try either. That seemed like a dubious call.

The bull only got 4 weeks so was back the week before internationals. It was an irfu panel though which was a joke. Evans won't be so fortunate.

Saw it in the pub last night & had a look at the gif of the incident this morning, and reckon Evans will be out for a while.
First stamp connects with the shoulder.
Second with the top of the head.
Third with the side of the face.
  

Watched the game on the computer last night, and couldn't see the incident very well, watched it on Sky + earlier, and Ianto got what he deserved, IMO it wasn't a deliberate stamp to his head, although it was extremely reckless, the first 2 stamps were to the shoulder and then the head, to then do another one which landed on McCarthy's face was extremely stupid, it totally spoilt what was turning into an interesting encounter.
I have to say I was extremely proud of the effort put in by our boys, to lose 3 players like Ryan, Hibbs and John in the first half as well as Ianto and our reserve hooker Baldwin within 10 minutes of the 2nd half starting and holding them to that scoreline was very good, some of the last ditch covering and tackling was excellent
Well done Leinster even though I don't think they will get off scot free from their analysis team when they review this game.

Wayne,

Even before all the injuries as Evans' stupidity I would have doubted they could have held to that scoreline.

When you take into account all the above it was a very good effort though having not seen whole game did Leinster ease up at all I wonder?

Any news on Hibbard and Jones?

[quote="bedfordwelsh"]Wayne,

Even before all the injuries as Evans' stupidity I would have doubted they could have held to that scoreline.

When you take into account all the above it was a very good effort though having not seen whole game did Leinster ease up at all I wonder?

Any news on Hibbard and Jones?[/quote
Bedford, today it was too hard to watch it all, as I said I watched the incident as I couldn't make out what exactly went on to warrant Ianto's sending off, as he was facing the wrong way to have done anything, but in frame by frame you could see what he had done, when the first connection with the first part of the body happened he should have STOPPED, even though IMO, he couldn't see.
Watching the game last night I don't think Leinster eased off, Rhys Webb and Sam Davies held up their OH over the line,. and their IH lost the ball in a desperate tackle on the try line late in the second half.
They had 2 penalty tries which came from a rolling maul and a scrum when we had 20 stone missing, IMO they would have won but by nowhere that margin and that is what I would have expected before the game, there has been nothing on our board how severe our injuries are, fingers crossed scenario we'll know soon enough.

So, would we prefer to be away to Toulouse or away to Clermont in the quarter final?

Do we not have Toulon if Clermont win with a BP?