Leinster v Ospreys HC

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Leinster

15. Rob Kearney; 14. Dave Kearney, 13. Brian O'Driscoll, 12. Gordon D'Arcy, 11. Luke Fitzgerald; 10. Jimmy Gopperth, 9. Eoin Reddan; 1. Cian Healy, 2. Sean Cronin, 3. Martin Moore, 4. Devin Toner, 5. Mike McCarthy, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Shane Jennings, 8. Jamie Heaslip (c)
16. Richardt Strauss, 17. Jack McGrath, 18. Mike Ross, 19. Leo Cullen, 20. Jordi Murphy, 21. Isaac Boss, 22. Ian Madigan, 23. Zane Kirchner

Ospreys

15. Sam Davies ; 14. Jeff Hassler, 13. Jonathan Spratt, 12. Ben John, 11. Aisea Natoga; 10. Dan Biggar, 9. Rhys Webb; 1. Ryan Bevington, 2. Richard Hibbard, 3. Adam Jones, 4. Alun-Wyn Jones (c), 5. Ian Evans, 6. Tyler Ardron, 7. Justin Tipuric, 8. Ryan Jones
16. Scott Baldwin, 17. Marc Thomas, 18. Dan Suter, 19. Lloyd Peers, 20. James King, 21. Morgan Allen, 22. Thomas Habberfield, 23. Matthew Morgan

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What happened?

Sadly, it will probably ruin this game. Hard to tell if he knew where he was stamping but I've seen reds given for less tbh.

kingjohn7 wrote:What happened?

Ian Evans, red card for stamping on Mike McCarthys head.

Looked harsh alright. Leinster are poor so far.

Think that situation was handled wrongly, too much going on in there and I am not sure you could judge that to be deliberate. By all means put it on report but a straight red was harsh I feel.

Ah fair play(or not)

Nah it was a red. No need to be giving it the boot there. Unless the players was holding his leg, which i didnt see.

Nachos Jones wrote:Wooah, that's a pretty harsh red card I think. Not sure you can say Evans did that with intent...

As a neutral I agree, that's pretty harsh. It't not going to be a popular opinion here, but I am not even sure it warranted a yellow.

Replays show they got it right i'd say he was looking down, not driving maul and stamping on the head of McCarthy definate red card in my opinion was brainless by evans to be honest

kingjohn7 wrote:Ah fair play(or not)

McCarthy was bleeding heavily from his head after being left trapped beneath the maul, but Ian Evans was in the thick of the maul and its hard to tell if he knew it was the head under him. Definite stamp though.

Listening on BBC Wales they seem bit undecided but if it was intentional then no place for it and his own fault.

I think it was certainly an intentional stamp. I'm not convinced he realised it was the head of the player beneath his feet.

The body position of Ian Evans was turned towards the Leinster side of the maul- all he could do was push and he'd need both feet on the ground for that. He had no business making a rucking motion with his feet, he was far away from the ball. The only reason for him to lift the boot was to have a go at the Leinster player. Also, McCarthy was on the floor and pretty much out of the game.

Most of the time it would be a deserved yellow. But he catches the head and that forces the officials.

All I am saying is that I feel you cant judge if it was intentional or not. I would hate to think that it was a deliberate stamp, it would be a monumental brain fart from someone as experienced as Evans if it was.

I just think that it should have been put on report and judged later.

Penalty try Leinster for collapsing the maul now- fantastic piece of driving to be fair.

Notch wrote:I think it was certainly an intentional stamp. I'm not convinced he realised it was the head of the player beneath his feet.

The body position of Ian Evans was turned towards the Leinster side of the maul- all he could do was push and he'd need both feet on the ground for that. He had no business making a rucking motion with his feet, he was far away from the ball. The only reason for him to lift the boot was to have a go at the Leinster player. Also, McCarthy was on the floor and pretty much out of the game.

Most of the time it would be a deserved yellow. But he catches the head and that forces the officials.

Was he making a rucking motion or was he trying to remain standing and provide forward movement?

Nah, the player is caught under his feet and he raises his leg and brings it down hard. There's no way he'd make that motion unless he's trying to stamp. If he was trying to keep moving forward he'd be making smaller steps and his feet would be closer to the ground, he'd be trying to get as much purchase as possible to push off from.

I think he's trying to get the maul moving and he can't because McCarthy is trapped beneath his feet so he has a little stamp. Very unfortunate, because I think when he sees it back he'll feel pretty bad about it. I don't think there was serious malice- you see that all the time, and it should be a yellow, but normally its the body they connect with.

Its rather ruined this game. Leinster now 17-3 ahead with 40 minutes to go against 14 they'll be eyeing the bonus.

Shame what looked like a close game now spoilt

glamorganalun wrote:Shame what looked like a close game now spoilt

Yeah Ospreys were right in this and now it could be very messy. Disappointing.

Notch wrote:Nah, the player is caught under his feet and he raises his leg and brings it down hard. There's no way he'd make that motion unless he's trying to stamp. If he was trying to keep moving forward he'd be making smaller steps and his feet would be closer to the ground, he'd be trying to get as much purchase as possible to push off from.

I think he's trying to get the maul moving and he can't because McCarthy is trapped beneath his feet so he has a little stamp. Very unfortunate, because I think when he sees it back he'll feel pretty bad about it. I don't think there was serious malice- you see that all the time, and it should be a yellow, but normally its the body they connect with.

Its rather ruined this game. Leinster now 17-3 ahead with 40 minutes to go against 14 they'll be eyeing the bonus.

Notch mate, I just simply think that you cannot make that call based on that evidence. Defo on report for later checking but not a straight red in my opinion.

I agree that it has ruined the game which is a massive shame as the O's looked very much up for this. Sad for them as well, 2 injury replacements and a red card. When it rains it pours I guess.

Alright fair enough, we'll give him a pass on the first stamp. What about the next two or three? You know when your boot has connected with something that isn't grass. He has several more goes at him.

Moment of madness, its been dealt with- I hope it doesn't ruin his chances of playing in the Six Nations but in the context of the game it was fair enough.

Really wish Healy wouldn't lead with his forearm into the throat. It's going to cause a bad injury at some point.

Ok watched it. One of those ones that any refs decision wouldnt be surprising, if you stamp on someones head whether accidentally or not you cant complain too hard if red. Dont think it should be harsh ban though.

On a more positive note for Ireland, how good is it to see Healy back and playing like this. I got very worried when it looked like he did his arm but luckily no apparent damage.

It seems like if Os pretended that every team was leinster they might be one of the best teams in europe not just the Rabo

Red well deserved and I can't see Evans being back for the 6N - given the ban of a couple of All Blacks was extended personally by the IRB chief for far more innocuous stamps.

Healy is awesome, he could walk into any international team.

lol, anyway to wedge the ABs into it!

Fairs fair - let's not lay a "thug" accusation without taking it. Anyway - on with the match.

Leinster should bring Madigan on- Gopperth is having a Sheeiter, as our Scottish friends say, and there's little spark in the centres. He would improve things massively at 10 or 12.

Yep gopperth, bloody over rated kiwis. Leinster need to calm it down and not push everything. They're over reaching too early instead of playing the extra man.

I'm a fan of Gopperth, I think he's a very solid player. Just off the boil tonight.

Nick Wood got 8 weeks for a head stamp. That was a rush of blood to the head moment and came after an admission of guilt as well as an on field apology straight after. If Evans and the Ospreys contest it then it could be substantially worse.

Now Scott Baldwin is off injured! And we'll have uncontested scrums as a result- very disappointing.

Opsreys have no luck at all tonight. Three 10s in their back line, down to 14 and now Baldwin is off.

Notch wrote:I'm a fan of Gopperth, I think he's a very solid player. Just off the boil tonight.

His stocks were up because he looked a little like Justin Marshall, but after seeing him play a few times he kept looking less so...

Idiot - why take the penalty and then kick for touch and make 1 meter?

Hah.

Adam Jones is throwing into the line out now. 0-0 in the second half. Strange game. Strange, and eye-wateringly bad.

Some very ordinary rugby being played.

Notch wrote:Hah.

Adam Jones is throwing into the line out now. 0-0 in the second half. Strange game. Strange, and eye-wateringly bad.

I know there throwing to the front, but jones isn't doing too bad a job

Our injury list gets bigger every game. Praying the ints get thru the next 6 weeks.

Ospreys now back to contested scrums. This is terrible.

when did a P. Try move from Tigers to Leinster? He was scoring so many for us!

Second penalty try of the game, Os makeshift front row being minced.

Fair play for the Ospreys for not trying to weasel out of contested scrums. Lot of respect for that.

Respect? Daft.

Such great character from Ospreys against all the odds tonight.

was that a stamp?

Looked like it to me too.

Jones has done a calf now by the looks.

Evans knew what he was doing, anyone who defends him is as much a mug as him. You just can't do that now and nor should you. Rake a back maybe, but don't rake a head. 12 week ban, he was looking down.

wilhelm wrote:Evans knew what he was doing, anyone who defends him is as much a mug as him. You just can't do that now and nor should you. Rake a back maybe, but don't rake a head. 12 week ban, he was looking down.

Welcome,

What do you think to the Cullen stamping?

Congratulations Leinster on reaching the quarters good year for the provinces in the Heineken.

Lots of bottle shown by the Ospreys really made Leinster work for that. Another Brain Dead mistake by Ian Evans