Carl Froch: Chavez Jnr deal close

Just arrived home flicked on SSN and Carl Froch was in the studio saying Chavez Jnr deal close for next fight & it's a fight his fans want in the States. Whose interested in that matchup seriously ? Is he that deluded.

He did say Groves a possibility if he fights twice this year.

Cheers Rodders

Pretty sad news hey Rod............Froch has misjudged the public mood..

At least he has Adam Smith to lick his butt and justify the decision though..

But he isn't kidding anybody else..

If it's ppv........My advice is don't watch it.

If Froch has aged badly then Chavez could beat him, Chavez won't stop coming and will have a big size advantage.

Totally agree mate.

Cheers Rodders

He doesn't fancy the Groves rematch. It's as simple as that.

Carl Froch talking a lot of **** as per usual...

Firstly Chavez Jr can't fight in Las Vegas, he's banned. 

Secondly Chavez Jr isn't a big name at super middleweight.

Chavez Jr KO's Froch inside 10 rounds.

Aah, carl, What have you done you stupid Kumquat

Gerry SA wrote:Carl Froch talking a lot of **** as per usual...

Firstly Chavez Jr can't fight in Las Vegas, he's banned. 

Secondly Chavez Jr isn't a big name at super middleweight.

Chavez Jr KO's Froch inside 10 rounds.

Roddy's is a valid article........I've read elsewhere that a deal is close.

Has he mentioned they are both true warriors yet?

You remember when he did that help a kid thing on SKy........That thing where kids that are ill or have been meet there heroes....

"I want you to meet this kid he's been through bigger battles than me....and I'm a "4" time world champion"

Just leave it out Mate..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Carl Froch talking a lot of **** as per usual...

Firstly Chavez Jr can't fight in Las Vegas, he's banned. 

Secondly Chavez Jr isn't a big name at super middleweight.

Chavez Jr KO's Froch inside 10 rounds.

Roddy's is a valid article........I've read elsewhere that a deal is close.

I've read the same but unless NSAC has changed it tune, it hasn't, Chavez Jr only fight in San Antonio.

Could be a smokescreen by match room to panic Groves into lowering his demands , I hope.

Cheers Rodders

At least onthe plus side, if he does duck a Groves rematch and fights Chavez we get another hilarious episode of Froch delusion, denial and hypocrisy for a good while as he tries to kid himself and everyone else.

Oh and Ward going around with a face like a slapped arse with no payday as he rematches Bika or some dud because he cant fight an opponent and wont leave SMW or California.

So every cloud and all that.

Apparently "His fans want to see him fight Chavez jr more than Groves" he said in his latest interview..

Would be a good trip to Vegas all the same.


Actually maybe it wouldn't if the alleged antics of the Froch family towards Groves are true.

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Froch would have to be a shell to lose to Chavez. Easier option than Groves, but not the correct one obviously.

The only upside for this fight is Chavez will get smashed to pieces which is something everyone wants to see really. If the fight is there for Froch it would be silly not to take it given how much money Chavez brings combined with how useless he is, any fighter from Middleweight to Light Heavy offered a fight with Chavez would jump on it. I'd like to see him beat Chavez for the big pay day his hard work over the last 6 years has earned and to see hopefully the end of Chavez then have the Groves rematch ideally. Strange as it sounds I think Froch was a little bit robbed by the terrible stoppage in his favour as I'd make him a big favourite to get Groves out of there in the last few rounds how that fight was going and earn a good from behind victory. He done himself no favours with the following interviews and reluctance to sign for a rematch though.

Chavez was schooled by Bryan Vera in his last fight and had to depend on Bobs deep pockets to get a decision. Even a shell of Froch whips him. It's a nonsense fight but would be worth watching only to see Chavez get battered

Strongback wrote:Actually maybe it wouldn't if the alleged antics of the Froch family towards Groves are true

What antics are that? Nothing suprises me mind iv seen that Frochs brother (Lee I think) on Twitter and the guy seems a total bully and and even bigger priick than his brother

If he fights Chavez and Groves this year that's one hell of a pension plan.

Chavez is a big draw - they'd be PPV in the States (which means a career high payday).

Decent fight for him.

Headlines a show stateside somewhere big against a very big name and cash cow in chavez.

Deserves it after the list of opposition he has faced.

Hopefully he retires after it should he win.

Vacate title and have ward vs groves/bika for it.

I struggle to see whats in it for Chavez. I was sure if he was going to be going for a title they would have the WBC on a plate for him.

But as someone said, this could be Froch chatting sh1t. Hes been known to.

It's a mismatch....end of

I'm not too bothered about it to be honest, Froch has paid his dues and deserves a mega fight in vegas.

It will be a good fight and then he can give Groves the rematch.

Both get a warmup before the fight of the year happens, win, win!

BoxingFan88 wrote:I'm not too bothered about it to be honest, Froch has paid his dues and deserves a mega fight in vegas.

It will be a good fight and then he can give Groves the rematch.

Both get a warmup before the fight of the year happens, win, win!

The eternal optimist......

From the ultimate Warrior to the ultimate worrier! Tut Tut

Not enthused for this ata ll, I'm almost on board with Retire or Rematch...

It's an absolutely sham of a fight and the fact that people are defending it is diabolical. People slate Mayweather for choosing a Khan fight but this seemingly gets brushed under the carpet (a statement aimed more at social media users/experts).

No matter how Carl Froch tries to spin it this is not the fight that makes sense and deep down he knows it. I don't like, in fact despise the term 'ducking' in boxing....but this avoidance plain as day.

1) "The fight with Chavez Jr is one of the five options that I do have and that's a fight that I can get motivated for, a fight that excites me," Froch told Sky Sports News.

If you can't get motivated for one of, if not the biggest rematch in British boxing history you might as well hang them up!

2) "Going over to America and fighting in Las Vegas is something that all British pros with big aspirations to do big things in boxing [want to do]. To be on a pay-per-view channel in America - very, very few British fighters have done that.

Agreed, however given Arum has publicly stated and seemingly steers Chavez clear of Vegas what are the chances that it actually takes place there?! Also I'm not sure how big a deal appearing on PPV is..if your close to the top of your division fighting an American/Mexican you'll get put on it. Hatton, Calzaghe, Bruno, Tyson, Hamed...im sure a few others. He's hardly breaking new ground.

3) Anyone trying to claim it's a fair fight for Froch to take because he deserves a payday are kidding themselves. He's had two in his last 2 fights...Kessler & Groves would have both netted him well over a million...due to the PPV we had to pay for to get the fight together! Also he simply does not make as much money fighting Chavez JR as he does Groves...not even remotely close!

4) Adds nothing to his legacy and should he actually lose then think he retires and misses out on the Groves rematch - massively harming his legacy and leaving a huge question mark next to his career!

I actually really dislike Chavez Jr but would genuinely not put it past him to upset the apple cart here. I'm of the belief that Carl's last outing showed a slip in him rather than a lack of preparation...as lacking in fundamentals as Chavez is he will be big, strong and there all night. He has a good chin and can punch. By no means a foregone conclusion and if I was a betting man, which I am, I'd stick a few bob on the Mexican to pull of the upset!

Boxing is a business about time you holier than thou lot remembered that, a seemingly easy night for big money is the logical thing to do, with the knowledge that Groves will still be waiting afterwards.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Boxing is a business about time you holier than thou lot remembered that, a seemingly easy night for big money is the logical thing to do, with the knowledge that Groves will still be waiting afterwards.

It is a business....and with a business head on the match that still makes sense is Groves. He would reportedly earn upwards of £5 million for the rematch! He won't make anything approaching that against Chavez JR whichever way you try to spin it. I would argue £2mil tops (obviously nothing to be sniffed at)....

If Groves thinks it will be an easy night then more fool him tbh. He doesn't have the boxing skills of a Martinez and to be frank, no matter what anyone says about Chavez that's the only defeat on his record. In fact he much prefers someone whose going to stand and trade with him.

Whose to say if Groves will be waiting?! Lets face it if the rematch doesn't happen then he walks away smelling of roses, can go pick up a title in the meantime and it will be Froch left facing all the questions. Should the unthinkable (which is the way it would be the way some people go on about Chavez) happen and Froch actually loses then Groves could quite easily stick two fingers up at him and say 'well I don't need you anymore'!

From a business perspective I think it's a very dangerous game that Froch is playing and to be honest I wouldn't particularly care if it came back to bite him in the a$$ ...despite the fact he has been a credit to British boxing in the ring!

Anything to back up those monetary claims Owen or is it pure guesswork and lets not forget Vera and Zbik being robbed blind against Chavez, it's an easy night plain for big money plain and simple.

All the other champions are tied up for the forseeable future and Groves sure as hell doesn't beat Ward, you're doing your usual nonsense of having nothing to back up what you're saying.

Bika has a mandatory round the corner and Stieglitz has Abraham so do explain where Groves picks up this title from in the meantime?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Anything to back up those monetary claims Owen or is it pure guesswork and lets not forget Vera and Zbik being robbed blind against Chavez, it's an easy night plain for big money plain and simple.

All the other champions are tied up for the forseeable future and Groves sure as hell doesn't beat Ward, you're doing your usual nonsense of having nothing to back up what you're saying.

Bika has a mandatory round the corner and Stieglitz has Abraham so do explain where Groves picks up this title from in the meantime?

You mean like you did in your previous post claiming it's an 'easy night for big money'?!

How do you know Chavez = big bucks? How do you know it's an easy night!? Your saying it is in one sentence then saying people get robbed against the Mexican in the next. Surely that makes it more dangerous for Froch. Regards the figures, yes..go on google and type it in. It's been mentioned in plenty of places that a rematch would see both fighters make career high pay days and Froch north of £5 million.

If you think Chavez represents the best business chance financially then tell me exactly how?! Clearer your the former boxing manager of the two of us and know more about it than me!

You make it sound like Froch is some kind of incredible boxer who will run rings round Chavez...he's not!! Both face first fighters, both wear fighters down and both have good chins and solid hands. Given Chavez is the younger & fresher of the two I don't see how anyone thinks its an easy night for Froch....especially given his performance in his last outing...where lets be brutally honest he was bloody woeful up until the last 30 seconds...whichever way you try to spin it!

All the other Champs are tied!? Really!? Given Groves is Top 10 with WBO, WBA & IBF he could get himself a title shot in the future (lets face it you don't need to be ranked No 2 to get it). Stieglitz is tied up until March....and given Froch is WBA (not really but that's a different matter) & IBF champion he may well get stripped of one of those should he fight Chavez! If Froch fights Chavez it won't be until the Summer...by which time Stieglitz won't be tied nor will Bika!!

Oh here you go just so you can stop trying to pull the saying stuff without having anything to back it up card!

''Hearn said: “The Groves fight is the biggest financially, but I don’t think Carl feels he needs it'' Promoter Eddie Hearn believes the two Britons must agree to a £5million rematch by the end of the month, if it is to happen.

Can pull out more but to be honest anyone with a bit of common sense and awareness of whats going in the world would know of the figures discussed in rematch between the pair.

I'm actually of the opinion that this is just to build up the groves rematch. Its a bit of gamble but not a massive one getting the casual fan interested in a fight each before they back back into the ring with one another. If thats the case then I cant really complain. If in 12 months the rematch hasn't happened then fair enough he deserves stick but right now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I also think froch v chavez would be entertaining despite what people think of the individuals.

Some people are just sore that their nob-end of a favourite fighter is running scared from Groves

Whatever happened to chasing Andre Ward rematch ?

Cheers Rodders

catchweight wrote:Oh and Ward going around with a face like a slapped arse with no payday as he rematches Bika or some dud because he cant fight an opponent and wont leave SMW or California.

    

The whole thing is a conundrum and Froch knows it. He knows the Groves fight makes the most sense financially and if he was the warrior he claims to be he knows he should take it. I think he also knows he'd likely get beat and that would be that, no big night in Veags (if that is possible).

It must be absolutely tearing him up inside. His legacy hangs by a thread.

Not in his own mind...By the way he's a "4 time champion" If you didn't know...

Nah, deep down even he knows all this and he's wrestling with it all internally. He's been losing his marbles since the moment Groves first squared up to him, he doesn't know who he is anymore.

I'm no fan of Froch the person, but I don't think is legacy is in danger (I have no doubt that in years to come, he'll get pulled to bits just as much as Calzaghe, Ali, Robinson, etc - such is the nature of internet forums like this) however, his reputation for being a no nonsense take on all-comers WARRIOR is in jeopardy.

I find it rich that he refuses to accomodate Groves after a controversial stoppage yet seems to think Ward is duty bound offer him a rematch after being so thoroughly outclassed.

He's done things the hard way throughout his career and feel it strange that he should feel the need to ease off as he's coming to the end. By all means make as much money as you can but don't dress up the Chavez fight as something it's not

"I'm sick of training in Sunny old England , I'm motivated training abroad in a warmer climate"

Was one of Frochs comments, you do realise Carl you have enough cash to set up camp abroad for majority of your training. It wasn't so long ago he was sick of fighting abroad. Being honest if I was him, I'd want to fight Chavez next, when someone had give you life and death and you know in your heart of hearts he had the beating of you , it's normal to look at an easier option. But as Dave says don't dress this up as somesort of fight it's not , and it's down to the promotors to make the fight, I don't believe for one second , Eddie wouldn't want to line his pockets in an immediate rematch if you requested.

Cheers Rodders

Problem is Rod..."The lady doth protest too much".......If he shut his big gob and just fought Chavez jr he'd be better served than just chucking stupid reasons out everyday for avoiding Groves... and convincing everyone he's smokescreening..

Hold your horses guys

The plot thickens...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/25883588

FFS. Boxing is sheeeeeeeeeet

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