IBF orders Froch v Groves rematch!

Eddie must have pulled some strings there!

Looks like we know why George turned down £1mill. Think he has to have 25% split now.

The IBF have stated that Froch has to have a rematch within 90 days or risk losing his belt.

Is that for the actual fight to take place within 90 days or for a fight between the two to be agreed within 90 days?

It'll be to agree contracts and get them signed surely.

What price Froch getting an "injury"???

i am so happy there is a rematch, will be a cracking fight like the first one.

I used to be a big fan of George Groves, but he's acted like a right needy ballsack over the last few months. Honestly hope Froch vacates and fights someone else.

Why? It would just be a waste of an extremely rare great fight! Froch vs Chavez Jnr would be like two zombies "sluggging it out"

IBF can wrongly smell a big sanction fee............Groves can smell a vacant belt........That is more respected than the WBO..........

Froch doesn't want to lose to a fellow Brit...........He thinks his chances of being held in the same esteem as Calzaghe will be shot in the neck should he lose to Georgey..

Calzaghe has always been the elephant in the room..

Like Ali was to Larry.

From what I've read it is an immediate rematch, the fight must take place within 90 days.

There are normally extensions that can be applied for.

This rematch the IBF are saying would be mandatory for only 15% of the purse... Will Georgey boy take it?

In that case it looks like George was asking for more money while demanding a rematch, and Froch and Hearn offered him 25%, George said that it was not enough (stamps feet) ... IBF say Rematch must take place and sets split at 15%...

If George keeps turning the offer down, it will go to purse bids. and he still wont get more money.

So nothing really has changed from Froch's point of view other than if he wants to fight Chavez first he is going to have to let the IBF strap go... But money wise the IBF have made his original offer look pretty decent.

What happens if Groves keep turning down the offers?, surely they cant take the belt off of Froch, if Groves stats stalling?

If it's Groves that turns it down then he loses his immediate mandatory position, loses all chance of the fight happening next and Froch keeps his belt and fights JCC jr I imagine.

Its pretty obvious the reason Groves rejected Hearns initial offer was because he wasnt willing to sign up to all Hearns add-ons and career stipulations. He already been bent over by Adam Booth in that regard.

He might get less percentage as a mandatory but retain a higher portion of it without Hearn taking various cuts.

catchweight wrote:Its pretty obvious the reason Groves rejected Hearns initial offer was because he wasnt willing to sign up to all Hearns add-ons and career stipulations. He already been bent over by Adam Booth in that regard.

He might get less percentage as a mandatory but retain a higher portion of it without Hearn taking various cuts.

Thing is he will earn more fighting Froch with these 'add ons' than he would do in his next 4 fights anyway... So that arguement is a bit null and void.

Summary: Groves is ducking!

He clearly has every intention of taking the fight and hopefully within the 90 days, but does not want anyone else having more bits of the pie than are necessary. Just because he wants the fights slightly more on his own terms which due to the IBF he has now got, does not equal ducking. I wont be surprised if the international superstar Froch Vacates though, now that would be ducking. Funny the whole world could see through Hearn and his pointless never going to be accepted offer to Groves, except of course the same 5% who thought the stoppage was fair.

Froch on Talksport now

Wasn't Lennox stripped of a portion of the Undisputed title because he failed to defend it within 90 days?

I can see Froch being stripped, claiming the moral highground (ironic for a man who's lived his life in the trenches whilst taking people into deep water cos that's what a Warrior does....Dave, leave it and move on if only for a minute) and then spending the remainder of his career taunting Groves that the score between them is 1-0. At which point Groves claims the moral highground by saying Froch is behaving like a silly ****

seanmichaels wrote:Froch on Talksport now

Can you keep us updated with what he's saying? Some of us are busy at work y'know

And I hope you've kept a track of the number of times he mentions being a warrior or taking men in the trenches.

Groves has two Options

1.Use the mandatory position to twist Hearns arm to get more money and no add ons.

2. Force the fight to go to purse bids meaning Eddie would potentially have to cough up more to win the purse bid.   If Eddie didn't win the purse bid I would expect that Froch would vacate.

As I said on another thread Groves holds more aces than Hearn.  If Booth is orchestrating things he will push Eddie all the way.

Strongback wrote:Groves has two Options

1.Use the mandatory position to twist Hearns arm to get more money and no add ons.

2. Force the fight to go to purse bids meaning Eddie would potentially have to cough up more to win the purse bid.   If Eddie didn't win the purse bid I would expect that Froch would vacate.

As I said on another thread Groves holds more aces than Hearn.  If Booth is orchestrating things he will push Eddie all the way.

Froch holds all the aces as he is champ and who ever he fights he will get a bigger cut, unlike Groves...

Froch gave Groves %25, then the IBF said he had to pay him no less than %15 .. So unless Groves goes back and excepts the 25% I cant see how he is going to claim more money. He either needs to except the offer or risk the fight going to purse bids which would mean Hearn would opt out of the fight and it wont even be Carls fault.

Conclusion, Groves is being a greedy boy and is lucky to even have the chance for such a quick rematch.

Groves does not even need to fight Froch again as if Froch drops the belt Groves is mandatory for it, and could probably end up with an easier fight. So its not out of the question that its now Groves taking second thoughts.

You are talking pony. Hearn made Groves an offer but it included loads of stipulations.

The short of it is that Hearn is using the situation to try and buy Groves and lock Groves into a contract with him.

Strongback wrote:If Booth is orchestrating things he will push Eddie all the way.

Not sure whether I find it more amusing you think Booth is some sort of genius, bearing in mind he has no tactical nouse and hence why his stable of fighters was so small, or you think Groves holds all the aces?!

If Groves doesn't fight Froch next he makes a fraction of what he would have earnt fighting someone else. Eddie still gets to promote the big news that is Froch and won't really give much of a deal about the greedy little bugger. He can take Froch to America, Groves hasn't got the same luxury and could end up fighting in a 4000 capacity arena no barely take home 6 figures whilst Hearns is lining his pockets with Sky/HBO/Showtime depending on location and opponent.

Hearn is full of crap. His big news Froch is no news in the U.S. Hearn would have to go over and bend over for Bob Arum to get the fight. He has no connections with any of the U.S TV stations. Not to mention why Chavez would want to fight Froch anyway when he has a fight ined up and could fight for the WBC on ppv with his immediate family officiating if he wanted to.

Hearn by a mile wants the Groves rematch because he gets the promote the whole show on ppv with his buddies in Sky and its huge fight. He just wants to make sure he has his claws in Groves as deep as he can when the fight is signed.

To izzy and tunes.

Hearn no longer has full control over the promotion of the fight. He lost that when Groves was made mandatory with an immediate rematch called.

From a business viewpoint if the fight goes to purse bids Eddie will have to compete with other promoters to stage the fight.

Because of the above Groves now has the bargaining power to say to Hearn 'Pay me 25% and instead of a multi fight add on deal I get to walk away from from you after the Froch fight with no contractural obligations. Do this and I will sign to fight now and I will not force purse bids.'


Eddie will not want purse bids unless he can win them without a financial hit. If it goes to purse bids Froch may vacate.

Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

Izzi wrote:

Strongback wrote:If Booth is orchestrating things he will push Eddie all the way.

Not sure whether I find it more amusing you think Booth is some sort of genius, bearing in mind he has no tactical nouse and hence why his stable of fighters was so small, or you think Groves holds all the aces?!

If Groves doesn't fight Froch next he makes a fraction of what he would have earnt fighting someone else. Eddie still gets to promote the big news that is Froch and won't really give much of a deal about the greedy little bugger. He can take Froch to America, Groves hasn't got the same luxury and could end up fighting in a 4000 capacity arena no barely take home 6 figures whilst Hearns is lining his pockets with Sky/HBO/Showtime depending on location and opponent.

Yes but Carl would be striped of the IBF belt and Groves would be fighting for it.


Chavez Jr is fighting Vera next so that's not an option, it's just Eddie spin. There is only one fight out there and that's Froch v Groves II. Right now it's just about haggling over the money and any future fights obligations. I'll be very surprised if they don't fight in the summer.

Seanusarrilius wrote:Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

It's about Hearn making Groves sign up to a 4 fight contract in order to get the seven figure sum. Groves seems to want to remain a free agent.

I'm not sure if Booth is still Groves manager, obviously he was for Groves v Froch I.

Eddie should just be glad Strongy isn't in charge of the Madeleine Mccann case....

He'd be in and out of custody on a daily basis.

Izzi wrote:

Strongback wrote:If Booth is orchestrating things he will push Eddie all the way.

Not sure whether I find it more amusing you think Booth is some sort of genius, bearing in mind he has no tactical nouse and hence why his stable of fighters was so small...............

I don't think Booth is a genius as a trainer or as a businessman but what he is is uncompromising, he will keep pushing until he gets every drop out of the deal he can and more. Booth doesn't adhere to common business ethics. He will sign a contract for a fight and then only follow through on it if it suits him. He has little respect for 'the deal'. It's not surprising he has annoyed a few boxing people over the years.

Booth isn't demonstrating genius in what he does, not at all, he's very transparent.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Eddie should just be glad Strongy isn't in charge of the Madeleine Mccann case....

He'd be in and out of custody on a daily basis.

I haven't said anything bad about Hearn. I'm just commenting on the deal making that has to go on.

Eddie's crime is he is a false face. You don't get jail time for that.

Strongback wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

It's about Hearn making Groves sign up to a 4 fight contract in order to get the seven figure sum.  Groves seems to want to remain a free agent.

I'm not sure if Booth is still Groves manager, obviously he was for Groves v Froch I.

 
Booth and Groves are done. Groves said so recently, but mentioned that Booth will be compensated for severing ties. Unrealistic for Groves to think he can go it alone, not unless he takes it seriously and sets up a promotional company of his own.
 
Sign for four fights. 1 will be Froch and make a ton of cash. Win and you are a world champ. Lose and you'll be glad you have Hearn and the Sky platform. Hearn knows Groves is a potential future cash cow for him. Groves has done brilliantly in the negotiations for a second fight, but he is in danger of pushing this too far and blowing it. He is starting to get on my nerves again. Sign for the fight.

Strongback wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Eddie should just be glad Strongy isn't in charge of the Madeleine Mccann case....

He'd be in and out of custody on a daily basis.

I haven't said anything bad about Hearn. I'm just commenting on the deal making that has to go on.

Eddie's crime is he is a false face. You don't get jail time for that.

Michael Jackson would have been jailed years ago

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

It's about Hearn making Groves sign up to a 4 fight contract in order to get the seven figure sum.  Groves seems to want to remain a free agent.

I'm not sure if Booth is still Groves manager, obviously he was for Groves v Froch I.

 
Booth and Groves are done. Groves said so recently, but mentioned that Booth will be compensated for severing ties. Unrealistic for Groves to think he can go it alone, not unless he takes it seriously and sets up a promotional company of his own.
 
Sign for four fights. 1 will be Froch and make a ton of cash. Win and you are a world champ. Lose and you'll be glad you have Hearn and the Sky platform. Hearn knows Groves is a potential future cash cow for him. Groves has done brilliantly in the negotiations for a second fight, but he is in danger of pushing this too far and blowing it. He is starting to get on my nerves again. Sign for the fight.

And if he pushes too far expect the board to Blame Froch/Hearns.

Providing Georgey doesn't get blasted out inside 2 rounds I fail to see the down side of being a major name in the Hearns stable? If he gives Froch another good fight and still loses then yeah he's lost to one of the best SMWs in recent years but his stock is still high and is still on Sky rather fishfaces obscure network thus keeping his face out and about.

The kid should be grateful after his one night stand with Froch that Carl hasn't just ditched him and gone to rematch Pascal at LHW or something.

Posing the contract you little ginger git so I can get proper excited.

A lot of people like control of their careers...........and rightly so...........

I heard tales that a couple of American promotors were impressed with Groves' showing against Froch and there's irons in the fire at that end.

may be b*ll*cks and fanciful hyperbole but as we're talking about professional boxing I find that highly unlikely.

Anyway, come on George, please set a date for the fight and put Carl Froch out of our collective misery.

No way will Groves sell in America......probably a tale to try to get Hearn to give him a bigger share...which he deserves..

Like Groves.........But his market is here.

Izzi wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

It's about Hearn making Groves sign up to a 4 fight contract in order to get the seven figure sum.  Groves seems to want to remain a free agent.

I'm not sure if Booth is still Groves manager, obviously he was for Groves v Froch I.

 
Booth and Groves are done. Groves said so recently, but mentioned that Booth will be compensated for severing ties. Unrealistic for Groves to think he can go it alone, not unless he takes it seriously and sets up a promotional company of his own.
 
Sign for four fights. 1 will be Froch and make a ton of cash. Win and you are a world champ. Lose and you'll be glad you have Hearn and the Sky platform. Hearn knows Groves is a potential future cash cow for him. Groves has done brilliantly in the negotiations for a second fight, but he is in danger of pushing this too far and blowing it. He is starting to get on my nerves again. Sign for the fight.

And if he pushes too far expect the board to Blame Froch/Hearns.

Providing Georgey doesn't get blasted out inside 2 rounds I fail to see the down side of being a major name in the Hearns stable? If he gives Froch another good fight and still loses then yeah he's lost to one of the best SMWs in recent years but his stock is still high and is still on Sky rather fishfaces obscure network thus keeping his face out and about.

The kid should be grateful after his one night stand with Froch that Carl hasn't just ditched him and gone to rematch Pascal at LHW or something.

Posing the contract you little ginger git so I can get proper excited.

Hahaha, funny.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No way will Groves sell in America......probably a tale to try to get Hearn to give him a bigger share...which he deserves..

Like Groves.........But his market is here.

Everything about this statement is true. Jesus, Truss. The level of agreement we have reached recently is alarming.

Not two many yanks flying high at SMW. After Ward and Andre Dirrell there isn't a big challenge.

Groves would need to beat Froch and maybe go for Bika in the States to get exposure.

Exposure.............Khan had plenty of that........He still ended up fighting in Washington in front of a small crowd....

Brits don't sell...........If Lewis never caught on as Undisputed heavy how the heck is this guy going to make it...

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Izzi wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

Strongback wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Hearn said on an IFLTV interview after the IBF ordered the rematch that he had already offered Groves 25% and he turned it down. Rumour is the offer was a guarenteed seven figures. At this point, with his mandatory split only worth 15%, Groves would be wise to take 25%

He has no promoter or manager to pay now. If he is so confident of winning, then it is well worth the risk. I know the rematch will generate millions, but he lost the first fight (stopped too early, I know), so a million is not a bad payday.

It's about Hearn making Groves sign up to a 4 fight contract in order to get the seven figure sum.  Groves seems to want to remain a free agent.

I'm not sure if Booth is still Groves manager, obviously he was for Groves v Froch I.

 
Booth and Groves are done. Groves said so recently, but mentioned that Booth will be compensated for severing ties. Unrealistic for Groves to think he can go it alone, not unless he takes it seriously and sets up a promotional company of his own.
 
Sign for four fights. 1 will be Froch and make a ton of cash. Win and you are a world champ. Lose and you'll be glad you have Hearn and the Sky platform. Hearn knows Groves is a potential future cash cow for him. Groves has done brilliantly in the negotiations for a second fight, but he is in danger of pushing this too far and blowing it. He is starting to get on my nerves again. Sign for the fight.

And if he pushes too far expect the board to Blame Froch/Hearns.

Providing Georgey doesn't get blasted out inside 2 rounds I fail to see the down side of being a major name in the Hearns stable? If he gives Froch another good fight and still loses then yeah he's lost to one of the best SMWs in recent years but his stock is still high and is still on Sky rather fishfaces obscure network thus keeping his face out and about.

The kid should be grateful after his one night stand with Froch that Carl hasn't just ditched him and gone to rematch Pascal at LHW or something.

Posing the contract you little ginger git so I can get proper excited.

Hahaha, funny.

When iPad + typing in a hurry meet...!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Exposure.............Khan had plenty of that........He still ended up fighting in Washington in front of a small crowd....

Brits don't sell...........If Lewis never caught on as Undisputed heavy how the heck is this guy going to make it...

So did Hatton, fought infront of 5000 against Collazo? Difference is one came across a likeable guy and the other comes across like an arrogant boobie with a chip on his shoulder. One also getting knocked out every time he smells a punchers gloves doesn't help either.

If Groves went to America, fought a few known names and had a few wars where he came out on top the HBO/Showtimes of this world would be seriously interested.

And let's not drag your obsession with a potential fight derail a thread that has nothing to do with said arrogant boobie, yeah?

Hatton had an army of Brits.......Behind him......which helped sell arenas.....and a very exciting crowd pleasing style........He also had a man-of-the people personality.......As did Bruno.

Groves has none of the above.........

There is no British market in America........

If he was Irish or hispanic that would be different.........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hatton had an army of Brits.......Behind him......which helped sell arenas.....and a very exciting crowd pleasing style........He also had a man-of-the people personality.......As did Bruno.

Groves has none of the above.........

There is no British market in America........

If he was Irish or hispanic that would be different.........

Jorge "Santa" O'Groves...I like it...actually no, I don't.

Shame though isn't when an intelligent, articulate, pleasant young man like Groves can't get exposure because America is too busy twiddling its collective nipple over idiots like Broner.

catchweight wrote:You are talking pony. Hearn made Groves an offer but it included loads of stipulations.

The short of it is that Hearn is using the situation to try and buy Groves and lock Groves into a contract with him.

I dont see how that has anything to do with it, The IBF have stepped in, if it goes to purse bids its because Groves turns the IBF approved offer down.... If it does not go to purse bids its because Groves excepts the offer.

if it goes to purse bids Hearn looses out and may prefer Froch to fight in the US.

If Groves wants the fight his best option is to except the IBF offer, unless he would rather fight for the belt while its vacant against another fighter.

catchweight wrote:Hearn is full of crap. His big news Froch is no news in the U.S.

You are forgetting that Froch holds two belts, and Froch is not a nobody in the US as you imply.

While he would get more fighting Groves in the UK, being a two strap champ and fighting away from home he will still make good money, Groves does not have that luxury.

In fact given how many fights Froch has left in him It makes more sense for him to go fight in the USA, then come back and end his carear with a UK rematch with Groves., money wise.

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Hatton had an army of Brits.......Behind him......which helped sell arenas.....and a very exciting crowd pleasing style........He also had a man-of-the people personality.......As did Bruno.

Groves has none of the above.........

There is no British market in America........

If he was Irish or hispanic that would be different.........

Jorge "Santa" O'Groves...I like it...actually no, I don't.

Shame though isn't when an intelligent, articulate, pleasant young man like Groves can't get exposure because America is too busy twiddling its collective nipple over idiots like Broner.

Broner is American............We support our stars.........not slag them off all the time because they excel............and you prefer losers...

Tunes Mate.........The reason the rematch is huge is because of Groves effort the first time.......

In other words he's a big draw for this fight...

So to suggest he should take at best a 20-80 split is an insult........

You are obviously either Froch or someone close to him........and I appreciate your sticking up for him.......

But come on..............IBF split and all this crud..

tunes666 wrote:In fact given how many fights Froch has left in him It makes more sense for him to go fight in the USA, then come back and end his carear with a UK rematch with Groves., money wise.

The issue he has most of the guys in or around his weight that would generate money are very loseable. He will never beat Ward, GGG is tricky and getting a fair shake off the judges against Chavez is not a given. Other than this who is there at or around his weight? Groves is for me the most winnable fight that still delivers a decent purse, win the rematch and the swan song fight in the states is still there, and nobody would begrudge him that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tunes Mate.........The reason the rematch is huge is because of Groves effort the first time.......

In other words he's a big draw for this fight...

So to suggest he should take at best a 20-80 split is an insult........

You are obviously either Froch or someone close to him........and I appreciate your sticking up for him.......

But come on..............IBF split and all this crud..

I'd prefer to look at it that Groves would (this is hypothetical) earn £1m for fighting Froch. He'd only earn £150k for fighting anyone else as he's not going to be able to challenge anyone on Frochs level... I.e. The Wards, Kesslers of this world (and I'm not saying Froch is on the same level as Ward, but rather he has much more chance in getting him) barring Froch himself.

If he's so confident why not take the money and put himself on the world level scene where other doors will open for him?

Froch can and would go elsewhere and still earn a career ending payday. Kessler III, GGG in America etc are guys he'd be aiming at, Groves then gets a euro level fighter etc.

Froch sold out the Kessler rematch in how long in a big arena? He's the draw here and like your beloved #1 obsession from across the pond he holds the aces when it comes to dishing out the lion share of purses.