RJJ vs Lebedev

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What round with the once great Roy Jones Jnr get knocked out?

R2 for me.

Personally I hope the relevant governing bodies revoke Jones's licence. He's no longer a good advertisement for boxing when he's in the ring.

Liam_Main wrote:

joeyjojo618 wrote:Do you think he was carrying Jones like someone suggested?

If he was he made himself look very poor doing so.

I was suspicious for a time - Jones wasn't doing anything and Lebedev normally walks forward with a reasonable right jab, throwing straight left hands - whereas he was prepared to back off for a bit here. In addition he was stopping and admiring his work, a couple of times the lef tuppercut landed and Jones looked rocked, but Lebedev backed off. Not really like him.

Hard to say he was carrying him when he did that in the 10th. Perhaps I should take it back.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Liam_Main wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I really didn't like seeing the crowd celebrating the win. Lebedev took 29 minutes longer than Green, and then took a dirty cheap shot.

It's in Russia Balti what do you expect.

I'd expect them to cheer it, of course, but i always find it to be in bad taste when a fighter is left on the canvas while people celebrate. That, and the fact that Lebedev beat a guy who should have quit four or five years ago and who no-one gave a chance of making it past the halfway mark.

Totally agree very disrespectful of them. Russian don't have a clue on boxing they probably thought he was facing a prime RJJ.

had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM6yMAvwjkE

That KO was just waiting to happen, that's the sad part. Everyone was hoping against it, but it seemed inevitable, and it was. This wasn't one for the highlight reel.

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

First time i was happy at a preformance that was as bad as jones jr today, i thought he was going to win untill he got hit in round 4 or 5 and got hurt. The money i lost doesnt even matter, i put the bet down out of repect for the great roy jones jr(prime)

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

Not so sure about that one Kev. I was also outraged, and having since watched it I still think there is a case for Morales - he landed far cleaner shots, and I wouldn't say Maidana displayed 'effective aggression'. Very close, though.

I gave every close round to Morales because I wanted him to win. I don't like Maidana he is so one dimensional it's a joke.

Fists of Fury wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

Not so sure about that one Kev. I was also outraged, and having since watched it I still think there is a case for Morales - he landed far cleaner shots, and I wouldn't say Maidana displayed 'effective aggression'. Very close, though.

I Had it 115-113 Maidana

Initially had no desire to watch Jones in action ever again; against my better judgement, I decided to have a look at this fight, and almost ended up watching it through parted fingers. I knew Jones would lose but I was dearly hoping not to see him getting brutalized in that manner again.

Of course nobody would want to see him in the ring again, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we did. I've been a little bit of a critic of some of Jones' career choices now and then, but regardless of that, the fact remains that he was a wonderful fighter in his time, looked utterly unstoppable between 1997 and 2002, and seeing him carry on in such a way is one of the saddest sighs I've seen since I discovered the sport of boxing.

Congratulations to Lebedev, he did what he had to do and, if nothing else, showcased his clinical finishing abilities, but I hope (harsh as this may sound on the Russian) that history remembers this fight primarily as Jones' swansong.

KO-KING wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

Not so sure about that one Kev. I was also outraged, and having since watched it I still think there is a case for Morales - he landed far cleaner shots, and I wouldn't say Maidana displayed 'effective aggression'. Very close, though.

I Had it 115-113 Maidana

When I watched it live I had it 117-114 Morales I think but when I watched a replay I had Maidana nicking it by a couple.

prettyboykev wrote:I gave every close round to Morales because I wanted him to win. I don't like Maidana he is so one dimensional it's a joke.

You should speak to Jose Sulaiman about a job...

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

Not so sure about that one Kev. I was also outraged, and having since watched it I still think there is a case for Morales - he landed far cleaner shots, and I wouldn't say Maidana displayed 'effective aggression'. Very close, though.

I Had it 115-113 Maidana

When I watched it live I had it 117-114 Morales I think but when I watched a replay I had Maidana nicking it by a couple.

i predicted a good close fight (unlike anyone else) for the first 4-5 rounds then maidana to wear him down to a 9 round TKO, Maidana beats him in a rematch 117-111 maybe stops him late

Unfortunately I think Jones is going to carry on because he won't want his career to end like that; I wouldn't mind if it was against a lower level fighter in florida to end on a win, but he'll probably take on green or tarver next instead.

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

KO-KING wrote:had jones up by one going into the final round- first time am sad after a fight i've been dissapointed before but never sad

Are you drunk?

Might have been a bit bias - but he did win 3 rounds,

I did the same with the Morales/Maidana fight at the time I had Morales winning by 3 rounds and I was outraged when Maidana got the decision. Have watched it since and Maidana deserved it.

Not so sure about that one Kev. I was also outraged, and having since watched it I still think there is a case for Morales - he landed far cleaner shots, and I wouldn't say Maidana displayed 'effective aggression'. Very close, though.

I Had it 115-113 Maidana

When I watched it live I had it 117-114 Morales I think but when I watched a replay I had Maidana nicking it by a couple.

i predicted a good close fight (unlike anyone else) for the first 4-5 rounds then maidana to wear him down to a 9 round TKO, Maidana beats him in a rematch 117-111 maybe stops him late

I had Morales winning it by a round when I seen it live but after watching it again I had it as a draw.It could of went too either one of them there were that many close rounds. A second fight I would imagine would be very close like the first.

I've just seen the KO in this fight and people calling for Lebedev to be DQ'd is a bit strange seeing as he did nothing outside of the rules. The referee here is entirely at fault and not Lebedev, Jones was on his feet and Lebedev looked at the Referee who didn't step in so Lebedev was within the rules to continue. I've got a dvd box set of Jones career and to see how good he was then compared to now is horrible, he has to retire.

bellchees wrote:I've just seen the KO in this fight and people calling for Lebedev to be DQ'd is a bit strange seeing as he did nothing outside of the rules. The referee here is entirely at fault and not Lebedev, Jones was on his feet and Lebedev looked at the Referee who didn't step in so Lebedev was within the rules to continue. I've got a dvd box set of Jones career and to see how good he was then compared to now is horrible, he has to retire.

Never a chance of a DQ, but that was a brutal KO and I didn't like to see it. I realy hope RJJ calls it a day now.
Was unlucky not to finish the fight, the KO comming so late.

I don't think Lebedev is totally free from blame. He could surely clearly see that Jones was gone, or at least it certainly looked that way. That last punch was just not necessary.

BALTIMORA wrote:I don't think Lebedev is totally free from blame. He could surely clearly see that Jones was gone, or at least it certainly looked that way. That last punch was just not necessary.

Thats boxing.

D4thincarnation wrote:

bellchees wrote:I've just seen the KO in this fight and people calling for Lebedev to be DQ'd is a bit strange seeing as he did nothing outside of the rules. The referee here is entirely at fault and not Lebedev, Jones was on his feet and Lebedev looked at the Referee who didn't step in so Lebedev was within the rules to continue. I've got a dvd box set of Jones career and to see how good he was then compared to now is horrible, he has to retire.

Never a chance of a DQ, but that was a brutal KO and I didn't like to see it. I realy hope RJJ calls it a day now.
Was unlucky not to finish the fight, the KO comming so late.

Even if he has to continue for the money he must have the sense to fight a non puncher. You just can't take KO's like that too often without serious damage and that's 4 really really bad one's Roy has been on the wrong end of.

bellchees wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

bellchees wrote:I've just seen the KO in this fight and people calling for Lebedev to be DQ'd is a bit strange seeing as he did nothing outside of the rules. The referee here is entirely at fault and not Lebedev, Jones was on his feet and Lebedev looked at the Referee who didn't step in so Lebedev was within the rules to continue. I've got a dvd box set of Jones career and to see how good he was then compared to now is horrible, he has to retire.

Never a chance of a DQ, but that was a brutal KO and I didn't like to see it. I realy hope RJJ calls it a day now.
Was unlucky not to finish the fight, the KO comming so late.

Even if he has to continue for the money he must have the sense to fight a non puncher. You just can't take KO's like that too often without serious damage and that's 4 really really bad one's Roy has been on the wrong end of.

Roy did show some flashes of old, even though well past his prime he did give Lebedev some trouble, but boxing is a dangerous sport and taking heavy KOs like that ain't good for you.

RJJ has a job on HBO, stick to that Roy, if you continue to box you may lose that job or even worse.

D4thincarnation wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:I don't think Lebedev is totally free from blame. He could surely clearly see that Jones was gone, or at least it certainly looked that way. That last punch was just not necessary.

Thats boxing.

You've lost me. Please don't spoil it by saying something ridiculous, because your later comment on here I do wholly agree with.

I can't see how any governing body can allow him to fight now, he has nothing less.

The referee was a disgrace to see he was out cold on his feet, Lebedev was merciful in looking to the ref to step in, the ref did nothing so he hit him again, not Lebedev's thought.

Very sad to what he has become. Also I can't see what these fighters get out of fighting him

Steve smoger should have got in there before that final blow. He is normally a decent ref and times his stoppages well but not yesterday.

bellchees wrote:I've just seen the KO in this fight and people calling for Lebedev to be DQ'd is a bit strange seeing as he did nothing outside of the rules. The referee here is entirely at fault and not Lebedev, Jones was on his feet and Lebedev looked at the Referee who didn't step in so Lebedev was within the rules to continue. I've got a dvd box set of Jones career and to see how good he was then compared to now is horrible, he has to retire.

Jones did the same thing to Vinny Paz.

I dont know why Jones is campaigning up at cruiserweight.

He must believe he has the speed there to be more effective but hes really risking his health now against hard punching cruisers.

He needs the money though so would not be surprised to see him continue.

Sad seeing Roy Ko'd like that once again. The man has needed to retire for a long time.

Not seen the KO yet but i doesn't look good, time to hang them up so i can buy his career on dvd.

manos de piedra wrote:I dont know why Jones is campaigning up at cruiserweight.

He must believe he has the speed there to be more effective but hes really risking his health now against hard punching cruisers.

He needs the money though so would not be surprised to see him continue.

Does he need the money? I read a while back that he invested wisely. Plus he was always self managed and promoted. He kept something like 70% of his purse.

I was amazed when I was watching Jones this weekend he was still fighting the same style he used to with the low hands and trying to be slick.

He doesn't have the speed for that anymore why has he not amended his style if he is convinced he still has a career?

prettyboykev wrote:I was amazed when I was watching Jones this weekend he was still fighting the same style he used to with the low hands and trying to be slick.

He doesn't have the speed for that anymore why has he not amended his style if he is convinced he still has a career?

Boxing intelligence. Whilst supremely talented at his peak of near his peak, his style lent itself to zero errors which he could get away with because he was that damned good. As he slipped he lacked the intelligence or knowhow to adapt. He has slowed and what he could do then he cant now.

azania wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:I was amazed when I was watching Jones this weekend he was still fighting the same style he used to with the low hands and trying to be slick.

He doesn't have the speed for that anymore why has he not amended his style if he is convinced he still has a career?

Boxing intelligence. Whilst supremely talented at his peak of near his peak, his style lent itself to zero errors which he could get away with because he was that damned good. As he slipped he lacked the intelligence or knowhow to adapt. He has slowed and what he could do then he cant now.

Awesome fighter at his peak. Was a real eye opener to see how he has done nothing to amend his style and then watch Bhop later on that night and see how he has amended his style to make up for loss of speed and stamina.

Like Mosley who recently fought his style was based on speed and just doesn't seem to have the smarts to change or retire.