Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

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I wouldn't be upset, if it were limited to League 2 and below, and had a quota of English players with an age cap.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Greg Dyke on Talksport getting done by Adrian Durham

Keeps mentioning Germany in relation to the B team idea. 

Germans are scrapping it next season 

 

No they aren't.

They've stopped in being mandatory.

Because they're phasing it out, saying loans are more effective

I'd be all for PL clubs setting up links with existing lower league sides and sending 4/5 players to them a season, helps everyone, doesn't destroy the football pyramid

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

However they will be playing in competitive leagues..

imagine the atmosphere at games with the lower league clubs playing against the united B's or the citeh B's

its gonna be great at the cost of a few teams only.

and no b team will be allowed to get promoted into the champs anyway!!

Imagine the atmospheres?!

Considering pretty much every lower league fan doesn't want this, I don't think itd be fantastic mysti

You just look at Madrid's B team in the second tier of Spanish football and they only get 3,000 a week in the equivalent of the Championship.

[mystiroakey]

we are not like spain though- we get average attendances of over 5k in league 2

champs is what 20k plus

[Duty281]

Just an awful idea.

Does Dyke not realise two things:

a) This will ruin the greatest football league in the world. I've previously mentioned the log-jam this will cause in a few years down the road, as well as it devaluing the level of the competition.

Also, 10 PL teams? How will they be chosen? And will it be added to in years to come?

b) It won't help the national side at all. The "home-grown" rule is ludicrous, and will just ensure that all the talented, non-British youngsters that the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal signed when they were around the ages of 12-15 will be the main ones competing.

Why not do something about the variety of problems currently afflicting the national game?

Top of the list should be the "Respect" campaign and the reformation of it, since the number of referees dropping out of the game is too high (can't say I blame them, presently).

Or the issue of simulation? Astronomical wages? Sky-high ticket prices, which means that top-level football is out of the reach of the working-class man? Coaching, and the lack of top British ones which is shown to be clinically behind the levels of our European rivals? And, I nearly forgot, club ownership - the Fit and Proper Person Test needs an overhaul.

Or you could, I suppose, forget all that ruin the Football League in its 125th year? Yeah...top job.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

http://nonleague.pitchero.com/news/conference-statement-on-dyke-proposal-30991/?utm_campaign=nonleague&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Oh look what a surprise they didn't even consult or seek out the thoughts of the conference sides

[Ent]

Greg Dyke on Talksport getting done by Adrian Durham

Keeps mentioning Germany in relation to the B team idea. 

Germans are scrapping it next season 

 

No they aren't.

They've stopped in being mandatory.

Because they're phasing it out, saying loans are more effective

I'd be all for PL clubs setting up links with existing lower league sides and sending 4/5 players to them a season, helps everyone, doesn't destroy the football pyramid

Because it is mandatory and some teams can't afford it. Or can't afford teams to get out of the 4th division making loans more appealing.

[skyeman]

He helped to f**k up the BBC, and now!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Its only at the cost of a few teams. The conference being 24 teams, thats 14 teams relegated. Thats 14 teams who are likely going to have to cut out a lot of professionals. Its a big deal for each one of these teams who are now a step down the ladder. And going down can be madness from there. Its killed Histon, who have to play in the Conference North because they were the Northern most side relegated that year. Histon, a village a couple miles outside of Cambridge, have to play in the Northern League.

[Duty281]

Right then - can anyone supporting this idea please tell me how Premier League reserve sides playing the likes of Gateshead, Halifax and Luton is going to improve the fortunes of the national team?

The experience that a promising young English footballer would gain in such a league is surely offset by the lower-level of ability that he is coming across, yes?

Which means that, in such a case, the young footballer would probably be loaned out by his club to a slightly lesser PL team or one in the Championship rather than learning his trade further down the pyramid, thus making this idea fairly redundant as far as helping the national team goes, correct?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I don't know how they dare choose which ten sides too. Last year, this list was all the Category A academies:

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Bolton Wanderers
Blackburn Rovers
Chelsea
Everton
Fulham
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Middlesbrough
Norwich City
Southampton
Stoke City
Sunderland
Tottenham
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Wolverhampton Wanderers

Palace and Newcastle were likely Category A but had not released that information. The teams in bold are likely to be guaranteed a side.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I don't know how they dare choose which ten sides too. Last year, this list was all the Category A academies:

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Bolton Wanderers
Blackburn Rovers
Chelsea
Everton
Fulham
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Middlesbrough
Norwich City
Southampton
Stoke City
Sunderland
Tottenham
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Wolverhampton Wanderers

Palace and Newcastle were likely Category A but had not released that information. The teams in bold are likely to be guaranteed a side.

Were a category A now, but I dunno whether we'll ditch it now we are going down

[mystiroakey]

Brighton 1-0 up...

[skyeman]

10k fine for JM. Stupid for multi-millionaires. Dock their team points!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

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So not only is Ashley Young pants, he also appears to be the only professional footballer unable to pull a fit bird

[hampo17]

Classy lady   

[The Special Juan]

Her torso looks like a crap x-ray.

[mystiroakey]

her t!ts look weird.

weird looking girl

[compelling and rich]

I think its a great move- more english players attached to the best coaching and facilities being primed for top sides styles

nonsense, first and foremost the homegrown rule doesn't mean they are English and how does playing macclesfield away mean players attached to the best coaching and facilities, all the teams already have reserve sides

[mystiroakey]

they are more likely to be english and they will be trained and coached better

[compelling and rich]

they are more likely to be english and they will be trained and coached better

remind me again of how many English players chelsea B have brought through again? and city for that matter since they got took over by the sheikhs. whole reserves side is full of foreign "homegrown" youngsters

[Dolphin Ziggler]

For every 17 players, in Spain, there is 1 uefa A coach. In England it is 1 for every 812.

UEFA A Coaching License;

England; £2500-£3500
Spain; £435
Germany; 985.

[compelling and rich]

For every 17 players, in Spain, there is 1 uefa A coach. In England it is 1 for every 812.

UEFA A Coaching License;

England; £2500-£3500
Spain; £435
Germany; 985.

it is also a pain in the arse to do, that is unless your a ex pro and they fly you through it fast and probably dont learn a thing. so normal people struggle to get on it, ex pros dont learn on it meaning that nobody is that qualified.

[Hero]

For every 17 players, in Spain, there is 1 uefa A coach. In England it is 1 for every 812.

UEFA A Coaching License;

England; £2500-£3500
Spain; £435
Germany; 985.

And that there is the first thing that the FA should have been fixing.

[Duty281]

For every 17 players, in Spain, there is 1 uefa A coach. In England it is 1 for every 812.

UEFA A Coaching License;

England; £2500-£3500
Spain; £435
Germany; 985.

And that there is the first thing that the FA should have been fixing.

Hear, hear.

[Lowlandbrit]

imagine the atmosphere at games with the lower league clubs playing against the united B's or the citeh B's

I think you'll end up very disappointed if you're expecting fans to flock to watch reserve team games.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

imagine the atmosphere at games with the lower league clubs playing against the united B's or the citeh B's

I think you'll end up very disappointed if you're expecting fans to flock to watch reserve team games.

Especially as they'll probably be played on the same day as the "A" team games

[mystiroakey]

imagine the atmosphere at games with the lower league clubs playing against the united B's or the citeh B's

I think you'll end up very disappointed if you're expecting fans to flock to watch reserve team games.

they wont be reserve team games they will be teams within the league

[Fernando]

Where are these teams going to play their home games? Arsenal reserves use Boreham Wood's ground but you're not going to be able to fit any away support there they have 500 seats and some bars.

[Duty281]

Where are these teams going to play their home games? Arsenal reserves use Boreham Wood's ground but you're not going to be able to fit any away support there they have 500 seats and some bars.

Don't be silly, Fernando. If the FA knew that, then it would imply that this idea was sensible and thought through.

[mystiroakey]

This is a starting point- What is on the table at the moment isn't how it will end up.

The best way without thinking too much about it would be that the biggest 10 or so clubs take over local lower league or conference teams and utilize them as feeder clubs

[Lowlandbrit]

I think you'll end up very disappointed if you're expecting fans to flock to watch reserve team games.

they wont be reserve team games they will be teams within the league

Doesn't stop them being reserve teams. Playing in the same shirt as a Premier League team isn't going to be enough to get people to care about these teams, especially if the lineup is changing every week depending on who's in the picture for the first team.

[mystiroakey]

something has to change- and its many things. some will work and some wont. The FA are willing to make a change and people are throwing ideas out there. evolve or die but strike a balance between club and country

[Duty281]

One thing that may help is to have English football run by ONE organisation at the top-level.

And if the FA are going to have a commission, can they choose a better one? I mean Danny-thug-life-Mills, Rio-mumble-every-sentence-and-he's-a-token-appointment-Ferdinand and Howard-Dinosaur-Wilkinson; they're hardly the most influential and forward-thinking individuals that exist in the grand scheme of English football!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

The best way without thinking too much about it would be that the biggest 10 or so clubs take over local lower league or conference teams and utilize them as feeder clubs

Maybe they dont want to be taken over?

[compelling and rich]

yeah i thought the same of the panel duty, rio's probably just doing it to feed his own ego and sell a few more caps

wasnt all bad, thought the inclusion of dario gradi was decent, but seeing though they are all so in love with foreign style of running things why not bring in some foreign coaches who have been there instead of dinosaurs like wilkinson

[mystiroakey]

The best way without thinking too much about it would be that the biggest 10 or so clubs take over local lower league or conference teams and utilize them as feeder clubs

Maybe they dont want to be taken over?

well maybe they dont but if they are not they will be gone anyway with the b team idea

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

The best way without thinking too much about it would be that the biggest 10 or so clubs take over local lower league or conference teams and utilize them as feeder clubs

Maybe they dont want to be taken over?

BUT SURELY ITS EVERY ACCRINGTON STANLEY FANS DREAM TO BECOME STOKE B DOLPH

[mystiroakey]

evolve or die....


However if England win the WC - its been perfect

[compelling and rich]

The best way without thinking too much about it would be that the biggest 10 or so clubs take over local lower league or conference teams and utilize them as feeder clubs

Maybe they dont want to be taken over?

well maybe they dont but if they are not they will be gone anyway with the b team idea

such a terrible attitude, stanley have just as much right to be in the football league as palace, bet your attitude would be different if you plummeted next few seasons and were struggling yourself

the whole reason the likes of stanley are struggling in the first place is the fa not giving a sh!T about the lower leagues and only caring about where the money is

[skyeman]

something has to change- and its many things. some will work and some wont. The FA are willing to make a change and people are throwing ideas out there. evolve or die but strike a balance between club and country

Evolve or die? What?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Portsmouth, FA Cup winners not too long ago, are a league above the conference. They could go down before this comes in. Then they'd be another Conference nothing who should evolve or die.

[NickisBHAFC]

The FA are just complete idiots, instead of making stupid rules that no one wants, how about improve real things that matter in the game. Greg Dyche get a grip you stupid ugly cu*t.

[compelling and rich]

The FA are just complete idiots, instead of making stupid rules that no one wants, how about improve real things that matter in the game. Greg Dyche get a grip you stupid ugly cu*t.

i wouldnt even give them credit for making it up, there simply just trying to copy a system because they have better team than us, think nothing on cultural differences, standard of coaching etc be!!ends the fa

[NickisBHAFC]

Instead, they need to improve the standard of what it takes to become an official in this country. They also need to sort out ticket allocations for big cup finals, 25,000 for Arsenal and Hull each in a 90,000 stadium. Madness. Also maybe sort out the sliding tackle rule, too many good tackles are being penalized these days. 

Basically FA, do something good for once.

[skyeman]

The FA are just complete idiots, instead of making stupid rules that no one wants, how about improve real things that matter in the game. Greg Dyche get a grip you stupid ugly cu*t.

  

Nearly similar thoughts  

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Telegraph, Mirror, the Mail and The Sun running Allardyce out stories. That Muppet at Sunderland went favourite for the job at one point this evening.

I'm so torn. A man I sometimes detest yet similarly I really like too. We either need to get married and settle down or bin this before someone gets hurt.

Romance is so hard, men these days!   

[NickisBHAFC]

Least West Ham can get back to playing football the pwopa way if he goes. 

Did Sean Dyche use to play for West Ham? Could work out.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Did Sean Dyche use to play for West Ham? Could work out.

Nope, Millwall. Could go the Lomas way.

[Duty281]

The Independent are saying that there is no public support from any Premier League clubs of the "B" team idea yet, pouring scorn on Dyke's claim that some such clubs were in favour, and the Football League have called the idea "disgraceful".

A big enough backlash and it may not see the light on England's overly green and pleasant land.

[NickisBHAFC]

Did Sean Dyche use to play for West Ham? Could work out.

Nope, Millwall. Could go the Lomas way.

Ahhhh knew it was someone in London!

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