The truth about Canelo !!!!

You know I wanted City to win the premiership last year and had big hopes Palace could help them out at home to Liverpool.....3-0 down after 40 mins I was calling them every name under the Sun...3-3 They were my second favorite team !!...

Unfortunately this is the same scenario with Saul...Mayweather detractors had such high hopes for him they have called him ever since.....Because unlike Palace he didn't turn it around !!!

The guy has never won a fight by robbery and has some top class names on his record...You have to be a top fighter to accomplish what he has....

The truth about Saul is that he had the audacity to lose to Floyd and spiteful types won't forgive him !!

I'm a big fan of Saul and while he's not had any robberies there have been a couple of bad scorecards for his fights (one against Floyd too).

I'm not sure he's protected though and at the time was the opponent everybody wanted for Floyd, congrats to Money for beating him but he's still a twonk and should be chased out of the sport for his antics out of it.

As for Saul I hope he continues to do well and while he probably won't hit the heights of Mayweather or Manny I'm sure the record books will show him as the world class talent I think he can be.

I agree with the sentiment that people hold the Mayweather loss against him too much, but I don't think he should get a free ride for it either. I people do so because he was meant to be the guy to finally beat Mayweather.

I think that to call him "protected" would be the wrong word because he's been put in with some of the best names available, however I think it's fair to say that the people invested in his career have maybe gone a little bit beyond helping him train and cheering for him at ringside. Quite how he managed such convincing scorecards over Trout I'll never know and the less said about the Mayweather "even" scorecard the better.

The thing that left a bitter taste in my mouth about the Mayweather fight was the absolutely God awful game plan that Alvarez went in with. Seriously, who in his camp thought that it would be a good idea to stand at range and box with Mayweather?! Mayweather didn't have to nullify Alzarez's physical advantages because he did it himself ! Obviously he's working to instruction but he's the one in there and he can tell when it's not working so he should have taken it upon himself to apply more pressure and close the distance but it appears that he made a choice not to.

I still regard Alvarez as a top talent who will be a leading light for a few years to come hopefully, however I don't think that this absolves him fully from the opportunity that he wasted against Mayweather. Other fighters will always have a particular loss held against them for one reason or another and Alvarez is no different.

YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN..........!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derbymanc wrote:I'm a big fan of Saul and while he's not had any robberies there have been a couple of bad scorecards for his fights (one against Floyd too).

I'm not sure he's protected though and at the time was the opponent everybody wanted for Floyd, congrats to Money for beating him but he's still a twonk and should be chased out of the sport for his antics out of it.

As for Saul I hope he continues to do well and while he probably won't hit the heights of Mayweather or Manny I'm sure the record books will show him as the world class talent I think he can be.

Interesting post.... In fairness you are more fairminded than some...

Toppy...Called him a useless plodder the day after...

I am right..

CallMeBenji wrote:I agree with the sentiment that people hold the Mayweather loss against him too much, but I don't think he should get a free ride for it either. I people do so because he was meant to be the guy to finally beat Mayweather.

I think that to call him "protected" would be the wrong word because he's been put in with some of the best names available, however I think it's fair to say that the people invested in his career have maybe gone a little bit beyond helping him train and cheering for him at ringside. Quite how he managed such convincing scorecards over Trout I'll never know and the less said about the Mayweather "even" scorecard the better.

The thing that left a bitter taste in my mouth about the Mayweather fight was the absolutely God awful game plan that Alvarez went in with. Seriously, who in his camp thought that it would be a good idea to stand at range and box with Mayweather?! Mayweather didn't have to nullify Alzarez's physical advantages because he did it himself ! Obviously he's working to instruction but he's the one in there and he can tell when it's not working so he should have taken it upon himself to apply more pressure and close the distance but it appears that he made a choice not to.

I still regard Alvarez as a top talent who will be a leading light for a few years to come hopefully, however I don't think that this absolves him fully from the opportunity that he wasted against Mayweather. Other fighters will always have a particular loss held against them for one reason or another and Alvarez is no different.

Interesting post...Good stuff !!

Saul gives fight fans what they want. He's a come forward / good combination puncher shaped by Mexican/Irish tradition. He'll always have a stylistic problem facing Backfoot fighters, but trout, Lara, and mayweather show that he's willing to work on it. He's not the first Mexican/Irish fighter to struggle with slick counterpunchers.

I think he'll fight ggg (granted cotto first), the fact that he faces the toughest challenges out there when he is the marquee name is beyond refreshing.

Steve Collins is his dad.

I see a lot of the old Chavez in him......Less work rate but similar in style...

Alvarez tried to outbox Floyd. That shows you he's not the sharpest tool.

Unlike the smart...Fielding who comes in half a stone over the limit..

Hey Soldier..

. I don’t think Alvarez is anything special, although hes a good solid fighter. Theres a reek of desperation about the Mayweather fans trying to make him out as some great fighter to fluff up Mayweathers legacy. He has been the beneficiary of some crooked judging in all his big fights. The scorecards in them speak for themselves. I don’t think he would be fighting the names he has been without the security of knowing he has at least one judge in his corner. Whenever he has weight issues he seems to be able buy another pound or two. Ive yet to be really impressed by him, although he has been in with some awkward customers which can have that effect.

What Mayweather fans have said he's great ??..

More unsubstantiated statements ...Still at least this one isn't libellous !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Unlike the smart...Fielding who comes in half a stone over the limit..

Hey Soldier..

Newsflash, boxer fails to make weight. Didn't look to bad last time out did he?

You related to Alvarez or something?

Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

And whats this got to do with Alvarez?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What Mayweather fans have said he's great ??..

More unsubstantiated statements ...Still at least this one isn't libellous !!

"The truth about Alvarez"

See you in court

I'll be the tall handsome guy with the great physique...

We can start a seperate topic if you wish to troll I mean debate TRUSS

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'll be the tall handsome guy with the great physique...

With Lionel Hutz as his attorney

TROLLMAN66 does have a ring to it....

Fielding still isn't good enough and you know it deep down..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:TROLLMAN66 does have a ring to it....

Fielding still isn't good enough and you know it deep down..

True........................end of debate then?

Or could you provide some insight to your analysis?

He looks sloppy...Always has excess flesh, has little in the way of defence and struggles with crud he's more than half a stone heavier than..

and he's related to Steven Gerrard..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:I'm a big fan of Saul and while he's not had any robberies there have been a couple of bad scorecards for his fights (one against Floyd too).

I'm not sure he's protected though and at the time was the opponent everybody wanted for Floyd, congrats to Money for beating him but he's still a twonk and should be chased out of the sport for his antics out of it.

As for Saul I hope he continues to do well and while he probably won't hit the heights of Mayweather or Manny I'm sure the record books will show him as the world class talent I think he can be.

Interesting post....  In fairness you are more fairminded than some...

Toppy...Called him a useless plodder the day after...

I am right..

Except I didn't. Which is why you can never quote me on it, just regurgitate the same fabricated drivel each time.

Yawwwwwwnnn !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

Could be worse, not like he agreed a catchweight and THEN came in over it anyway.

Now that'd be underhand.......

catchweight wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What Mayweather fans have said he's great ??..

More unsubstantiated statements ...Still at least this one isn't libellous !!

"The truth about Alvarez"

See you in court

Like fact and fiction, trust has never been able to differentiate between 'truth' and 'opinion'.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

Could be worse, not like he agreed a catchweight and THEN came in over it anyway.

Now that'd be underhand.......

This is one of the biggest issue's I have with both Floyd and Manny, if they're treated bigger than the sport and allowed to get away with this bunkham how long until the next 'big' thing starts pushing it.

Like I thought Provo was a top fighter...

Who wrote that ???

Enough time spent on you !!

Derbymanc wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

Could be worse, not like he agreed a catchweight and THEN came in over it anyway.

Now that'd be underhand.......

This is one of the biggest issue's I have with both Floyd and Manny, if they're treated bigger than the sport and allowed to get away with this bunkham how long until the next 'big' thing starts pushing it.

Top fighters have always got away with it !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He looks sloppy...Always has excess flesh,  has little in the way of defence and struggles with crud he's more than half a stone heavier than..

and he's related to Steven Gerrard..

Take it you never seen his last fight then?

Also Provo is an elite fighter. You need more then boxing skills to become a elite boxer. Its funny that the boxers he drops close decisions to always end up for hospital.

Provo is a poor man's Chuvalo.....

According to Toppy I think he's Sugar Ray on heat !!

Not too clued up on Chuvalo TRUSS

I like Provo though, at least your know your going to watch an action packed fight when he's fighting. Its a shame he didn't get the nod against Algeri. Manny could have been finished.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Like I thought Provo was a top fighter...

Who wrote that ???

Enough time spent on you !!

You never said he was great, but you gave Tedious Tim massive props for beating him and made it out to be some kind of 'great' win (to help justify his ridiculous p4p #3 position).

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Derbymanc wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Seven pounds is news...

He's British standard....Smith batters him...

Could be worse, not like he agreed a catchweight and THEN came in over it anyway.

Now that'd be underhand.......

This is one of the biggest issue's I have with both Floyd and Manny, if they're treated bigger than the sport and allowed to get away with this bunkham how long until the next 'big' thing starts pushing it.

Top fighters have always got away with it !!

Doesn't make it right though Truss, to be honest since I read that article on Mayweather the other day I'm horrified that he's a person that is admired quite so much by people

Just bull.....I said beating a world champ adds to a legacy...Like Maussa-Hatton..

Never said he was any good...Bradley was awful that night..

I made him 3 after JMM got added to Manny..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Just bull.....I said beating a world champ adds to a legacy...Like Maussa-Hatton..

Never said he was any good...Bradley was awful that night..

I made him 3 after JMM got added to Manny..

But Provo wasn't holding a belt though?

No but he won one after like Berbick after Holmes..

LOL, see what he did there, Soldier??

Bit like how he suddenly abandoned his 10-1-1 catchphrase after Manny slapped Tim around the ring first time out and then waited for the heat to die down after the rematch to start using it again.....

Can't be bothered..

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He looks sloppy...Always has excess flesh,  has little in the way of defence and struggles with crud he's more than half a stone heavier than..

and he's related to Steven Gerrard..

Take it you never seen his last fight then?

Also Provo is an elite fighter. You need more then boxing skills to become a elite boxer. Its funny that the boxers he drops close decisions to always end up for hospital.

If someone did a poll on Fielding -Smith....You think Fielding would come out on top ??

You know he wouldn't and Smith is still a novice..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He looks sloppy...Always has excess flesh,  has little in the way of defence and struggles with crud he's more than half a stone heavier than..

and he's related to Steven Gerrard..

Take it you never seen his last fight then?

Also Provo is an elite fighter. You need more then boxing skills to become a elite boxer. Its funny that the boxers he drops close decisions to always end up for hospital.

If someone did a poll on Fielding -Smith....You think Fielding would come out on top ??

You know he wouldn't and Smith is still a novice..

True, but that doesn't mean he couldn't win. Callum hasn't fought anyone remotely live yet or even close to his size. Fielding is a fully fledge SM who has his own power and a good chin aswell.

Its does say something when Callum was posed a a question about Rocky after the fight and Joe Gallagher jumped in before he could answer saying 'Rocky and Callum will be going there own routes'.

I seen a poll on another site the other day and it has 17 votes so far, 16 were for Callum KO and 1 was for Callum PTS

Joe doesn't think he's ready though..........

They are both monstrous sized Super Middleweights. I wonder how long they will remain there?

catchweight wrote:They are both monstrous sized Super Middleweights. I wonder how long they will remain there?

I know Rocky says he feels better then ever in this new regime and Callum has been quoted sayin he could make middleweight.

So.....

Canelo, that's who the thread is on no?

I personally love him. Yea he's had flattering scorecards but Trout and Lara are two fighters will no pulling power who were stylistic nightmares for him yet he took on the risk which is refreshing to see these days. Yes you may not think he won both fights (however I do) but he wasn't outclassed/embarrassed like Rios-Abril etc. With his aggressive fun style and willing to fight the best he's a breath of fresh air and is good for boxing. He'll probably never be an ATG but he's a very good fighter

Floyd deserves credit but the catchweight leaves a bitter taste. Yes Canelo agreed but he had to to get the fight, just like Maidana HAS to wear pillows on his hands as he knows only floyd can get him this mone/fame whereas floyd can fight anyone for millions. Canelo has shown prior and past floyd that he's a huge lightmiddle and the catchweight took something from him. He was able to be pushed around by floyd etc his punches didn't have snap etc. He also boxed the wrong gameplan. After 3 rounds we could see it wasn't working and he should have done what he did to Lara, tuck the chin in and blast to the body s hard as you can, but he left it too late

If he can get past kirkland and Cotto, two fights he'll have to be at his best for to win, him at 154lbs becomes the most dangerous opponent for Floyd as I doubt he'd try to box him like he did the first time and floyd will be a little bit older

No ATG but a very good fighter with great ambition

I think the problem is that in recent times, when it comes to fighters who have become really, really big names in the sport (Tyson, Jones, Mayweather, Pacquiao, De la Hoya etc), opinons always seem to be in extremes, be they positive or negative. Same thing seems to be happening in some quarters with Alvarez. Way too often there just seems to be no middle ground.

Like WHU says, I think there is a lot to admire in the lad. I think he's realistic about his abilities (a lot more realistic than some of his die-hard fans, oddly enough!) and he makes a real effort to fight the best. A run of Trout, Mayweather, Angulo and Lara in his last four outings is just about the best run of opposition that anyone has had in the world over the last eighteen months, in my opinion. Three of them were unbeaten (obviously in Lara's case I'm not counting the blatant larceny of the Williams verdict). Forget this idea for now that he only takes these fights because he apparently knows that the judges, or at least one of them, will give him a head start. Guys such as Manny and Oscar are proof that, even if you've got the rub of the green in big fights in the past, there's no guarantee you'll get it the next time out (as the De la Hoya against Trinidad / Mosley and Pacquiao against Bradley I fights show).

We complain, with plenty of justification, that not enough fighters these days want to take the toughest routes open to themselves and take on the best. When a fighter comes along who does, then it's a good thing, without any ifs, buts or maybes.

Hate to admit it as a lot of us would love to see Mayweather taken down a peg or two, but I do believe there is a degree of truth in what Trussman is saying, too. Let me stress, the following only applies to a very small number on here, and a small minority amongst real boxing fans as well, but there are definitely some out there who will go too far in criticising Canelo's performances and denigrating his abilities because he lost to Mayweather, and they sure as hell don't want anyone to think that Mayweather beat a top class fighter. Again, as I said above, Mayweather is most definitely a part of that group of fighters who provokes extreme opinions, ones which aren't always the fairest or most consistent. I'd say that Mayweather has more passionate detractors than any other fighter going today - stands to reason that some of them will want to run his list of victims down in to the ground, and we've seen bits and pieces of that on v2.

But, on the other hand, I don't think there's any doubt that on the other side of the coin there have been people getting a bit carried away with Alvarez and his abilities, and turning a blind eye to the benefit of the doubt he seems to receive slightly more often than other fighters. From an early age he's been marked out as the next big PPV attraction, the man who can carry on the work of De la Hoya and Mayweather and become a crossover star. But here's the thing - I don't think he's anywhere near as good as either of those guys, and I'm not sure he ever will be. I was amazed at how many people were giving him a chance against Mayweather, and equally surprised over how little discussion or debate there was over the Trout verdict. I saw a lot of superlatives being thrown around for his performance in that fight which made me wonder if people were kind of seeing what they wanted to see with Alvarez somewhat.

I think Mayweather deserved a lot of credit for putting on an exemplary performance against a good young fighter like Canelo, but again, it wasn't one of Mayweather's highest career peaks, for me. Alvarez might have been the biggest guy he's fought, but it's one thing being bigger than someone, another being better than them. I thought Alvarez's performance against Floyd was well under par for a supposed mega star. Paulie Malignaggi is always pitched as this super smart guy and great pundit - he claimed after Mayweather-Alvarez that is was such a great performance by Mayweather, and such a brilliant win, that it proved that Mayweather beats everyone in history in or around his weight class, and that anyone who argued with that now in the furnace of the Alvarez win was ''either stubborn, blind or stupid, or all three.''

Hard to argue that this kind of sensationalism hasn't been helped along by some good marketing from Alvarez's people rather than any virtuosity he's shown in the ring so far. If a fighter is going to get overblown like that, it's natural that some others are going to want to compensate by going too far the other way, hence the way he seems to polarise opinion.

For me, Alvarez is a good fighter and I like his attitude to the sport. But I think people expecting him to be this era's major star performer or go on to become great will be left disappointed. I think he's been over-hyped and undersold in equal measure, and I'd tend to fall right in the middle of all that. I think he'll lose soon enough but remain a major figure at 160 in the coming years - and we'll end up looking elsewhere for the next great mega star of boxing.

Chris with War and Peace once again.......

Wasted in this article. TRUSSMAN has already informed us of the TRUTH about Canelo Alvarez. He had the audacity to lose to Mayweather. Its unforgivable. That is the TRUTH.

Alvarez is a very good fighter, but neither is he particularly special in the context other world champions.

I think he's just being judged harshly because he has a lot of hype around him. You can criticise any fighter's performances after a loss, but the fact is he's fighting all the best guys at 154 and generally coming out on top.

Mayweather beating him was a top quality win. It was the fight we all wanted to see, and Floyd was giving up a lot of size/power.

The catchweight took the shine off of it bit, no doubts about that.

As Chris says, the 'truth' lies somewhere in the middle of the extreme opinions. Most reasonable people can arrive at this conclusion......although obviously this doesn't describe the most vocal elements of 606v2