Cardiff Blues v Glasgow Warriors, 14 September

by **George Carlin** Tue 09 Sep 2014, 11:14 am

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Cardiff Blues v Glasgow Warriors
Sunday 14 September 2014, KO 16:00
BT Sport Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff

Live on S4C/BBC Teuchter

Referee: John Lacey (IRFU, 36th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Wayne Davies, Jon Mason (both)
Citing Commissioner: Gwyn Bowden (WRU)
TMO: Gareth Simmonds (WRU)

A. Teams:

I. Cardiff Blues
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15 Adam Thomas
14 Alex Cuthbert
13 Cory Allen
12 Gavin Evans
11 Dan Fish
10 Rhys Patchell
9 Lewis Jones

1 Sam Hobbs
2 Matthew Rees
3 Adam Jones
4 Jarrad Hoeata
5 Filo Paulo
6 Josh Turnbull
7 Sam Warburton
8 Manoa Vosawai

16 Kristian Dacey
17 Taufa'ao Filise
18 Scott Andrews
19 Macauley Cook
20 Josh Navidi
21 Lloyd Williams
22 Gareth Davies
23 Richard Smith

II. Glasgow Warriors
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15. Peter Murchie
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Mark Bennett
12. Alex Dunbar
11. Sean Lamont
10. Peter Horne
09. Henry Pyrgos

01. Alex Allan
02. Pat MacArthur
03. Rossouw de Klerk
04. Tim Swinson
05. Jonny Gray
06. Rob Harley
07. Chris Fusaro
08. Josh Strauss (Captain)

16. Fraser Brown
17. Gordon Reid
18. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
19. Leone Nakarawa
20. James Eddie
21. Niko Matawalu
22. Duncan Weir
23. DTH van der Merwe

B. Form - head to head:

24 Played 24
12 Wins 12
12 Losses 12
0 Draws 0
46 Tries 45
32 Conversions 33
48 Penalties 56
2 Drop Goals 2
444 Points 465
25 Avg. Age 25

C. Form - last season:

6 September 2013, 19:35 (league)
Glasgow Warriors 22 - 15 Cardiff Blues
Scotstoun Stadium

6 December 2013, 20:00 (Heineken Cup)
Cardiff Blues 29 - 20 Glasgow Warriors
Arms Park

13 December 2013, 20:00 (Heineken Cup)
Glasgow Warriors 7 - 9 Cardiff Blues
Scotstoun Stadium

15 February 2014, 18:30 (league)
Cardiff Blues 20 - 27 Glasgow Warriors
Arms Park

by IanBru Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:24 pm

Mother flippin... NIKO POWER!!

by **George Carlin** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:24 pm

Just following on live update. What did Gordy get carded for?

Apparently it's now:
9. McMad
10. Weir
12. Horne

by GLove39 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:25 pm

NIKO! NIKO! NIKO! Yahoo

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:26 pm

Great kick by Duncan Weir. You have to say a couple of very inspired subs by Glasgow!

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:27 pm

Grrrr,

If we lose this game, I will be furious

by cakeordeath Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:29 pm

Swindon not supporting his own weight either. But since Warbuton never bothered doing that in the first half. Fair enough

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:29 pm

So stupid from Turnball

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:29 pm

George Carlin wrote:Just following on live update. What did Gordy get carded for?

Apparently it's now:
9. McMad
10. Weir
12. Horne

It looked like he played the ball when he was off his feet and lying on the wrong side.

I only tuned in since half-time, but Cardiff were much the better side until they gave away that interception try. After that, they seem to have lost their heads and their discipline completely. They haven't recovered at all. Major case of self-destruction as opposed to Glasgow upping it.

by GLove39 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:30 pm

Down to 14 men. Score 10 points boxing

by **George Carlin** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:31 pm

Notch wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Just following on live update. What did Gordy get carded for?

Apparently it's now:
9. McMad
10. Weir
12. Horne

It looked like he played the ball when he was off his feet and lying on the wrong side.

I only tuned in since half-time, but Cardiff were far better until they gave that interception try. After, they seem to have lost their heads and their discipline completely.

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by bedfordwelsh Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:33 pm

Fair play thats the way to finish a try off and on the flip least it hopefully also means that Ll Williams gets nowhere near a Welsh squad place.

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:33 pm

Got to give Glasgow credit for their excellent work at the breakdown mind you. Don't mean to ignore that.

by GLove39 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:33 pm

Ahhhh, Niko!
What a tackle by Seymour

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:35 pm

Way offside, not that the welsh supporters agreed! Great chase by Tommy anyway!

Don't think the ref will be staying in Cardiff for his tea tonight!

by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:35 pm

cakeordeath wrote:Swindon not supporting his own weight either. But since Warbuton never bothered doing that in the first half. Fair enough

Is whinging all that you do?

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:36 pm

What a great try, DTH and Niko, the super subs do the business!

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:37 pm

Shocking, absolutely shocking

by cakeordeath Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:37 pm

Just commenting. If you don't like it then there is handy ignore button

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:39 pm

Matawalu scores again. If Glasgow want to be winning the Pro12 this year, they want to finish 1st or 2nd and get the Final at home. And if they are to finish 1st it's periods like the next 10 minutes where they need to be very ruthless and put away that fourth try. When there is an opportunity for four tries they have to take it.

by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:40 pm

I think this is where Glasgow will get the fourth try. They've been pretty good tbh.

by CraigS1874 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:40 pm

Niko suits this artificial surface and dry conditions as it opens the game up.

Dunbar has been quality so creative yet great at the breakdown

by welshy824 (new) Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:41 pm

just completely disintegrated for the blues, dominant in the first half yet give away two cheap tries.
Glasgow are much better at playing the ref when it comes to the break down, slowing the ball down and not supporting weight (that's not a complaint, appreciating how they are playing the ref!)
Cuthbert needs to learn to pass

by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:42 pm

cakeordeath wrote:Just commenting. If you don't like it then there is handy ignore button

You mean just whinging.

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:43 pm

Fair play, Vosawoi looks like a good signing

by cakeordeath Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:43 pm

I can't believe that we are in this position. Subs have made a huge difference

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:44 pm

well well well blues are absolutely awfull outside of patchell today.

Big shame, because the pack have been pretty good, dominated the scrum, lineout solid, and when the ball is tight blues are making hard yards well.

When the ball goes beyond 10 however it's a mess, Fish and Thomas are far from pro quality, as is Evans. Allen and uthbert are the same player, good strike runners but retarded decision makers.

Have to give credit to uthbert his turnover % is superb, 6 carries 6 times lost the ball on the floor for holding on lol.

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:46 pm

Neutralee wrote:well well well blues are absolutely awfull outside of patchell today.

Big shame, because the pack have been pretty good, dominated the scrum, lineout solid, and when the ball is tight blues are making hard yards well.

When the ball goes beyond 10 however it's a mess, Fish and Thomas are far from pro quality, as is Evans. Allen and uthbert are the same player, good strike runners but retarded decision makers.

Have to give credit to uthbert his turnover % is superb, 6 carries 6 times lost the ball on the floor for holding on lol.

Have to agree, Gavin Evans is just a bad player and has been holding back the Blues backline for too long,

Also, Turnball and Rees in the forwards have provided nothing in the loose

by GLove39 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:48 pm

Risk everything here glasgow go for that 4th try

by welshy824 (new) Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:49 pm

Neutralee wrote:well well well blues are absolutely awfull outside of patchell today.

Big shame, because the pack have been pretty good, dominated the scrum, lineout solid, and when the ball is tight blues are making hard yards well.

When the ball goes beyond 10 however it's a mess, Fish and Thomas are far from pro quality, as is Evans. Allen and uthbert are the same player, good strike runners but retarded decision makers.

Have to give credit to uthbert his turnover % is superb, 6 carries 6 times lost the ball on the floor for holding on lol.

that's unfair on allen and Cuthbert, both very flashy players, and allens skillset is excellent.
Evans seems to think he is bigger than what he is, running at people like he is some 6ft 4 monster when he isint. At least Anscombe is coming to help improve the backs. Lewis Jones also looks much better than Lloyd Williams, he is a proper little terrier.
Positives though are the scrum, which wasn't utilised enough, the lock pairing, which certainly looks like a pair of real hard nuts, and vosawai is starting to look like a good signing.

by GLove39 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:50 pm

Or not.
Shame there was no bonus point, but great to turn the tide of a game that looked like it was slipping away. In Niko we trust!

by TJ Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:50 pm

Notch wrote:Got to give Glasgow credit for their excellent work at the breakdown mind you. Don't mean to ignore that.

by cakeordeath Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:50 pm

I don't really think the score is a fair reflection of the game. Cardiff had us on the rocks for huge chunks and their forwards were dominant. Well done Glasgow.

by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:50 pm

I actually thought Allen had possibly his worse game for the Blues today, hes an awesome player but made some very fishy decisions.

The backs just wern't firing this week

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:51 pm

Hard game to call between Ulster and Cardiff next week. Both teams have potential be playing a lot better than they have done so far. Neither side will be at all happy with their performances in the first two rounds. Unfortunately Ulster aren't quite where Glasgow are at the moment but on the other hand our scrum looks very good and that should help counter what seems to be one of Cardiffs strengths.

by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:52 pm

Blues were rubbish, they don't like they've gelled as a team yet.

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:54 pm

Glasgow will be right at the top of the table again this season. But they should feel slightly disappointed they've already left two potential try bonus points out there this season. A good team who will improve as the season goes on. They are quite a formidable unit, even when they are on the back foot they are hard to put away.

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:55 pm

welshy

i'll take your word for it, i like my players with substance not style, and well Allen and Cuthbert today were showponies who did nothing to help. Cuthbert literally lost the ball everytime he touched it! And Allen jinked and jived for no yards all game!

I thought the Blues 9 (starting) was terrible too, a 3 on 1 overlap blind and he goes open, he taps and goes then loses the ball, he was a mess.

I'd prolly go as far as criticising the coaching set up too, no link between forwards and backs, no coherant phase play, and very 1 dimensional gameplan, not to mention the mess of a restart.

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:55 pm

IronMike wrote:I actually thought Allen had possibly his worse game for the Blues today, hes an awesome player but made some very fishy decisions.

The backs just wern't firing this week

They just don't get quality ball with Evans at 12, hence why Cuthbert has started roaming all over the place in an attempt to get his hands on some good ball.

We need a 12 and a fullback from somewhere, and another wing wouldn't go amiss.

Also, Turnball needs to be replaced by Ellis Jenkins or Navidi, after letting 2 tries be scored down his blindside last week he completely disappeared after 20 minutes today.

And Matthew Rees and Paulo haven't done much to earn their place,

and having thought Lloyd Williams had turned a corner last week, he of course proves me wrong. Lewis Jones is developing into a nice SH though and must be first choice now.

Coaches need to do some shouting,

Hammer has a job to do.

by TJ Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:55 pm

NO bonus point again. Glasgow showed their far superior all around game. All Cardiff had to offer was scrum pens and the maul.

At about 50 mins tho I thought the game over for Glasgow - yellow card, no possession for about 10 mins but mad Mata turned the game with a sublime piece of skill adn Glasgows belief grew from there. Great work at the breakdown, great defence ( one 1/2 break from Cuthbert about the only time cardiff broke thru?) and no brain farts from Matawalo.

Well done the Weegies - but will someone lend them a razer please? especially Swinson and Henners!

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:58 pm

wales606 wrote:
IronMike wrote:I actually thought Allen had possibly his worse game for the Blues today, hes an awesome player but made some very fishy decisions.

The backs just wern't firing this week

They just don't get quality ball with Evans at 12, hence why Cuthbert has started roaming all over the place in an attempt to get his hands on some good ball.

We need a 12 and a fullback from somewhere, and another wing wouldn't go amiss.

Also, Turnball needs to be replaced by Ellis Jenkins or Navidi, after letting 2 tries be scored down his blindside last week he completely disappeared after 20 minutes today.

And Matthew Rees and Paulo haven't done much to earn their place,

and having thought Lloyd Williams had turned a corner last week, he of course proves me wrong. Lewis Jones is developing into a nice SH though and must be first choice now.

Coaches need to do some shouting,

Hammer has a job to do.

thought paulo was good today, however he is possibly the worst lock in the league, go and rewatch any Blues conceded try from last season and he has a hand in most, from lazy running, cynical play, or being caught hanging around on the wing!

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 5:59 pm

You have to say Cardiff never really looked like scoring, a credit to Glasgow's great defence. Should we have got the bonus point, I am not sure, Blues are a decent side and will be there or there abouts at the end of the season but they should be worried about the way they fell apart especially when a man up and they had us in the scrums.

Again DTH and Niko showed what taking a chance is all about, but this was a great team effort and really hard to signal anyone out. You can certainly say that no one played badly.

Two wins out of two against two of the better teams in the league. I am not to worried about bonus points at the moment. These were two banana skins and we have managed to avoid both of them!

by **Notch** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:00 pm

Neutralee wrote:I'd prolly go as far as criticising the coaching set up too, no link between forwards and backs, no coherant phase play, and very 1 dimensional gameplan, not to mention the mess of a restart.

Mark Hammett has only been there for a matter of weeks. It will take time.

by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:02 pm

wales606 wrote:
IronMike wrote:I actually thought Allen had possibly his worse game for the Blues today, hes an awesome player but made some very fishy decisions.

The backs just wern't firing this week

They just don't get quality ball with Evans at 12, hence why Cuthbert has started roaming all over the place in an attempt to get his hands on some good ball.

We need a 12 and a fullback from somewhere, and another wing wouldn't go amiss.

Also, Turnball needs to be replaced by Ellis Jenkins or Navidi, after letting 2 tries be scored down his blindside last week he completely disappeared after 20 minutes today.

And Matthew Rees and Paulo haven't done much to earn their place,

and having thought Lloyd Williams had turned a corner last week, he of course proves me wrong. Lewis Jones is developing into a nice SH though and must be first choice now.

Coaches need to do some shouting,

Hammer has a job to do.

As radical as this sounds I'd prefer to see a midfield of

10. Davies
12. Patchell
13. Allen

Over the one that played today, I've never rated Evans

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:04 pm

Patchell is no doubt a prospect but he showed his age and inexperience today, poor kicking and bad tackling in a Blues backline that just never really fired. He will come again though as long as he learns from games like these.

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:05 pm

Notch wrote:
Neutralee wrote:I'd prolly go as far as criticising the coaching set up too, no link between forwards and backs, no coherant phase play, and very 1 dimensional gameplan, not to mention the mess of a restart.

Mark Hammett has only been there for a matter of weeks. It will take time.

Still, I wouldve thought he wouldve introduced a way of playing over time, the Blues were making progress last season under (insert kiwi guys name) and shouldve seen that progressed on and developed over time.

Every coach has a prefered style of play, but you can't impliment it over night.

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:06 pm

BigGee wrote:Patchell is no doubt a prospect but he showed his age and inexperience today, poor kicking and bad tackling in a Blues backline that just never really fired. He will come again though as long as he learns from games like these.

Totally agree, thats when he needs a solid 9 performance and experience at 12, and today he got neither.

by wales606 Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:07 pm

IronMike wrote:
wales606 wrote:
IronMike wrote:I actually thought Allen had possibly his worse game for the Blues today, hes an awesome player but made some very fishy decisions.

The backs just wern't firing this week

They just don't get quality ball with Evans at 12, hence why Cuthbert has started roaming all over the place in an attempt to get his hands on some good ball.

We need a 12 and a fullback from somewhere, and another wing wouldn't go amiss.

Also, Turnball needs to be replaced by Ellis Jenkins or Navidi, after letting 2 tries be scored down his blindside last week he completely disappeared after 20 minutes today.

And Matthew Rees and Paulo haven't done much to earn their place,

and having thought Lloyd Williams had turned a corner last week, he of course proves me wrong. Lewis Jones is developing into a nice SH though and must be first choice now.

Coaches need to do some shouting,

Hammer has a job to do.

As radical as this sounds I'd prefer to see a midfield of

10. Davies
12. Patchell
13. Allen

Over the one that played today, I've never rated Evans

They have been hinting that Patchell will move to 12 when Anscombe arrives, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that backline next week after todays perfomance.

I would actually move Allen to 12 (where he would have played if Owen hadn't gotten injured) and play Richard Smith at 13.

We shouldn't have gotten rid of Ice.

by **BigGee** Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:08 pm

Neutralee wrote:
BigGee wrote:Patchell is no doubt a prospect but he showed his age and inexperience today, poor kicking and bad tackling in a Blues backline that just never really fired. He will come again though as long as he learns from games like these.

Totally agree, thats when he needs a solid 9 performance and experience at 12, and today he got neither.

Yes we have seen that from many a Scottish FH, taking the blame for some of the rubbish around them!

by Neutralee Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:09 pm

BigGee wrote:
Neutralee wrote:
BigGee wrote:Patchell is no doubt a prospect but he showed his age and inexperience today, poor kicking and bad tackling in a Blues backline that just never really fired. He will come again though as long as he learns from games like these.

Totally agree, thats when he needs a solid 9 performance and experience at 12, and today he got neither.

Yes we have seen that from many a Scottish FH, taking the blame for some of the rubbish around them!

Tommy turned Tomasso Allen.

by TJ Sun 14 Sep 2014, 6:17 pm

BigGee wrote:Patchell is no doubt a prospect but he showed his age and inexperience today, poor kicking and bad tackling in a Blues backline that just never really fired. He will come again though as long as he learns from games like these.

I thought he looked good - apart from Cuthbert the only real danger Cardiff had. A couple of delicious chips to slow the Glasgow blitz as well. allways involved and talking and trying things.

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