England versus New Zealand; What's your score prediction?

This thread just concerns your score prediction (there is a seperate thread already running).

Have a punt, it won't cost you a penny!

I've mentioned my prediction elsewhere but am very keen to understand everyone else's thoughts?

Problem with this match is how to rate the English team, in a sense their second stringers did better in NZ than their first choice.

It could be a very close contest or it could be a comfortable win for someone.

I am comfortably sitting on the fence.

NZ by 10, the backline is a well running machine though i think our pack will want to prove something.

I'd have said NZ by 10, but with ickle Kyle facing Sonny B I don't think you've posted an option with a big enough differential.

Looks like the dwarves have come back to haunt us.

I voted NZ by 15 but I think it could be more.

I'm basing my score on the predicted lineup as well, is it the normal 11am announcement?

I think it'll be within 10. Might be a bit bigger, but any more would be very disappointing.

I don't think England will win this game, but with the rest of their autumn games, and a six nations under their belt, they will be VERY dangerous by the time the World Cup comes around.
When there is so little between all of the top teams, mentality is everything, and England have shown time and again that they have the mental strength.
I'm pretty sure that the 9 games Wales have lost in a row against Australia have been by an average of 6
points, the majority of which have been by 2 or 3, which I think tells you a lot about the mental aspect of the game.
I've always said if we could combine our ability with England's mentality, we could win the World Cup.

New Zealand by 7 I think, but they will look relieved at the final whistle.

New Zealand by less than 7

NZ by 10. they've played 4 times in the last year. very rare that we have that many data points so close together.

and they are coming off the back of RC so team fluency should be good.

Agree - NZ by 10.

NZ have the match fitness, England don't and certainly Farrell Jr doesn't.

Should be a competitive English pack but plenty for NZ to target in the backline.

I pray I am wrong, NZ by 25+

Injury and selection translates into another cobbled together backline. Our lack of cohesiveness will I imagine see us playing as individuals.

Ive gone NZ by 15. But it could Easily be more.

I like Englands pack and I think they will at least have parity...could even be on top...but I just think the backs are what swings it totally in NZ's favour.

Its not that I don't rate Englands backs as individuals...I just think collectively the AB's are pretty special...

Yes, NZ should simply have too much for this England side both up front and in the backs. Even if some punters do think there will be parity in the packs (I don't) there is no comparison when it comes to effective distribution through the midfield and the ABs defensive mindset.

I went for NZ by 20 but have a feeling it could be by 25+ points if the machine kicks into its usual point scoring mode (after a strong start) and the desire is there to take their game to the highest level - which I think it will be.

I never thought that in 2012 England v New Zealand would end up by England putting t the biggest score on New Zealand.

This time i think NZ by 15+ points. Just because the NZ have played together this year. where has England have not.

The biggest score v the ABs was the 28-7 Wallabies win in 1999. It was a surreal experience in front of 107,000 spectators. I don't think a comparison can be made with this England side.

I think/hope it'll be close and have gone for NZ by 5 although like others I won't be surprised if it's a bigger margin for NZ. I think BB comments are very valid and sometimes less established England players have the knack of surprising. Perhaps there is less weight of expectation on them? Anyway, very much looking forward to this.

The Loaded Dog wrote:The biggest score v the ABs was the 28-7 Wallabies win in 1999. It was a surreal experience in front of 107,000 spectators. I don't think a comparison can be made with this England side.

I meant the biggest score by an England team.

Got a funny feeling about this one. Tired ABs get a shocker but win by a few points.

Very good backline for NZ. The Cruden SBW connection from the Chiefs has been a long time in waiting. Having England first up has to be in NZ's favour and not sure our guys will be tired, most not playing the U.S.

Big statement will be needed here and I think that backline will provide it. Savea must be really looking forward to this with the backs he has inside to provide him good ball. Hopefully he'll be as busy as he was in the third test vs England where he got so much ball he couldnt handle it at times.

England have been very impressive against Nz in the last few years so I am expecting a confident performance by them.

But with the injuries hampering their selection and NZ just looking so slick you would have to agree that a 15 plus point win to Nz would be the logical presumed score difference.

England should walk it, we have been told only them and NewZealand are contenders for the up coming world cup,
we have been told home advantage is the most important thing in the universe.

They are building nicely "we have been told".
The play the most exciting brand of rugby "we have been told"
They have amazing strength in depth "we have been told"

Seriously i'm not being a wum England should walk this after all the hype they will prove all this praise was warranted.

that was just in relation to Wales

the gulf between NZ and England is the same as the gulf between England and Wales. (clue - NZ are the best)

majesticimperialman wrote:I never thought that in 2012 England v New Zealand would end up by England putting t the biggest score on New Zealand.

This time i think NZ by 15+ points. Just because the NZ have played together this year. where has England have not.

season not year.

quinsforever wrote:

that was just in relation to Wales

the gulf between NZ and England is the same as the gulf between England and Wales. (clue - NZ are the best)

Case and point see, England are amazing "we have been told" so as i said England the worlds largest and richest union will wipe the floor with the All Blacks this weekend.

in terms of money made from the game yes we will.

its going to be a great game whatever the outcome.

everyone loves playing at HQ. it's the best rugby venue in the world imo. least partisan (1/3 of the crowd will be from the SH) which is great for touring sides. and such a great atmosphere.

even if we lose (v likely) the england fans will love the spectacle.

Did I hear right that there are 82,000 expected at this game? Is twickers that big?

I wonder what the average score prediction would have been in 2012? I don't think many expected us to win but I suspect we weren't as pessimistic back then.

Perhaps that's because Lancaster's tenure still seemed fresh and we hadn't played New Zealand for two years. This time we'll be playing them for the fifth time in a twelve month period, having lost the previous four.

81,999... if security excludes TobyBryant from getting into a "corporate box".

TWICKENHAM
(ENGLAND)......82000
MILLENNIUM
(WALES)..........74500
MURRAYFIELD
(SCOTLAND)....67800
AVIVA
(IRELAND).......51700

bit of info.
the millennium stadium north stand is in fact part of the old national stadium,so only 2 tiers high,it will however have to be rebuilt eventually due to concrete cancer which will take the capacity close to 80000.
the stadium has a loyal employee who works for nothing 24/7.......a hawk called dad who keeps the ground free from seagulls and pigeons. (some say he's of more value than roger lewis)

The Loaded Dog wrote:81,999... if security excludes TobyBryant from getting into a "corporate box".

It is probably a few less, you have to allow for a few more, GG, miteyironpaw, ............

majesticimperialman wrote:I never thought that in 2012 England v New Zealand would end up by England putting t the biggest score on New Zealand.

This time i think NZ by 15+ points. Just because the NZ have played together this year. where has England have not.

The Loaded Dog wrote:81,999... if security excludes TobyBryant from getting into a "corporate box".

Won't he be busy in the US of A?

Interesting to see a few England votes, but no comments on it (I think).

NZ by five for me. I expect England to make a good fight of it and am excited to see Lance Corporal Semesa Rokoduguni in action. Hope he gets the opportunity to run a bit, as well as other players like Mike Brown.

You're showing a bit of Army bias there, Rev.

The Loaded Dog wrote:Yes, NZ should simply have too much for this England side both up front and in the backs. Even if some punters do think there will be parity in the packs (I don't) there is no comparison when it comes to effective distribution through the midfield and the ABs defensive mindset.

I went for NZ by 20 but have a feeling it could be by 25+ points if the machine kicks into its usual point scoring mode (after a strong start) and the desire is there to take their game to the highest level - which I think it will be.

Disagree with the AB's having too much up front. I think we have a very good pack going out.

I'm with Geordie - I think our forwards will be ok - either side could have a slight edge, but unlikely that NZ will dominate England up front - if anything I think the reverse is more likely.

The greatest certainty is that NZ will have a significant - and probably decisive - advantage in the backs.

Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

The Loaded Dog wrote:You're showing a bit of Army bias there, Rev.

Army. Pah

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

May is used to running side to side so should be able to cover the width of the pitch defensively. Of course he still needs to make the tackle once he gets to his guy.........

doctor_grey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

May is used to running side to side so should be able to cover the width of the pitch defensively.  Of course he still needs to make the tackle once he gets to his guy.........

Alternatively, England will be pumped up to the hilt....the (apparently underrated)pack and Barritt will start smashing everything that moves. Then Attwood, Billy and hopefully Hartley at his absolute best will put in some almighty carries with the ball, with May and Roko running off their shoulders and creating holes for Eastmond to get his game going bringing the backs into play.

Underrated pack? That's a bit wishful Geordie

GeordieFalcon wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

May is used to running side to side so should be able to cover the width of the pitch defensively.  Of course he still needs to make the tackle once he gets to his guy.........

Alternatively, England will be pumped up to the hilt....the (apparently underrated)pack and Barritt will start smashing everything that moves. Then Attwood, Billy and hopefully Hartley at his absolute best will put in some almighty carries with the ball, with May and Roko running off their shoulders and creating holes for Eastmond to get his game going bringing the backs into play.  

it's funny because he thinks it is true.

An old Chinese proverb once said,
If Hartley throws a long line out in the opposition 22 then Vunipola catches it burst through the defence passes it to Barritt whom chips it into the in goal area for Rokoduguni to touch it down, did England score a try?

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

May is used to running side to side so should be able to cover the width of the pitch defensively.  Of course he still needs to make the tackle once he gets to his guy.........

Alternatively, England will be pumped up to the hilt....the (apparently underrated)pack and Barritt will start smashing everything that moves. Then Attwood, Billy and hopefully Hartley at his absolute best will put in some almighty carries with the ball, with May and Roko running off their shoulders and creating holes for Eastmond to get his game going bringing the backs into play.  

it's funny because he thinks it is true.

I am watching "Dave" now, some over weight slob in his vest with a fag in his mouth is being portrayed, reminds me of the odd wummy poster on here

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Aren't the ABs going to do the same as they did on the 3rd test - but with knobs on. Sonny B to trample Kyle, draw in BB to cover tackle; Sonny B with the off-load to expose our narrow defence, with our wingers to cover half the width of the pitch with some world-class flapping. Ok so Yarde & Ashton won't be there to flap I know - so who knows, so long as BB isn't pulled in all the time, maybe he and Roko can take out Savea (I don't think).

May is used to running side to side so should be able to cover the width of the pitch defensively.  Of course he still needs to make the tackle once he gets to his guy.........

Alternatively, England will be pumped up to the hilt....the (apparently underrated)pack and Barritt will start smashing everything that moves. Then Attwood, Billy and hopefully Hartley at his absolute best will put in some almighty carries with the ball, with May and Roko running off their shoulders and creating holes for Eastmond to get his game going bringing the backs into play.  

it's funny because he thinks it is true.

I am watching "Dave" now, some over weight slob in his vest with a fag in his mouth is being portrayed, reminds me of the odd wummy poster on here

If only eh!

Oh.... and the word think isn't what comes to mind when I visualise him.




Having said that, I am generally an optimist and only some time deluded.

That 2012 loss still rankles with fans and ABs. McCaw remembers every loss and he said he had a very bad summer that year. Imagine being grumpy in NZ during the summer. He does not want a repeat.

In the rugby league test England will compete seriously, with their big fast centres bringing attacking opportunities on both sides of the field. but the Kiwis can out defend them and put points on the scoreboard during back end of the the 40 minute halves, New Zealand by 6.

Later on in the Rugby union test, I would be very disappointed if a far more experienced and smarter All black team cant put England away convincingly. New Zealand by 20 plus.

aucklandlaurie wrote:In the rugby league test England will compete seriously, with  their big fast  centres bringing attacking opportunities on both sides of the field. but the Kiwis can out defend them and put points on the scoreboard during back end of the the 40 minute halves, New Zealand by 6.

Later on in the Rugby union test, I would be very disappointed if a far more experienced and smarter All black team cant put England away convincingly. New Zealand by 20 plus.

yep I'm with you Laurie, strong side fielded for this one.