Australian Open Day 10-14 - Djokurray! And others! :P

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Keep him down Andy. No mental lapse.

Oh well, maybe he will get the 3rd win at this Wimbledon. Shame about the end

Yeah its a dissaponting end from a match standpoint. Andy should still be happy, hes back in the conversation but needs to stop tailing off.

Novak now the king of AO, more than Federer

That's going to hurt Andy a lot. He knows he should have won there and mentally lost it.

socal1976 wrote: Nadal and RG awaits, is he up to the task?

Very much so.

socal1976 wrote:Great Post Jermaine. Nadal and RG awaits, is he up to the task?

IMO Novak was pretty ordinary in the S/F and F but still won. 

He has to play a lot higher level to beat Nadal in Paris though. But he's the only man who can beat him.

I don't think Novak was play-acting by the way. He was in serious trouble. Had Murray continued to drive him around the court, his legs would have gone. It was Murray's failings which let him off the hook.

Jermaine2015 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:Great Post Jermaine. Nadal and RG awaits, is he up to the task?

IMO Novak was pretty ordinary in the S/F and F but still won. 

He has to play a lot higher level to beat Nadal in Paris though. But he's the only man who can beat him.

Yes but being ordinary and winning a slam is not a feat that very many can accomplish.

Congrats to socal and HMM, gits

Jahu wrote:Congrats to socal and HMM, gits

Drinks all around Jahu

That ShoutScream username made 1 post about Murray and he got banned

Fuking right, enjoy it

Josiah Maiestas wrote:That ShoutScream username made 1 post about Murray and he got banned

Hahaah.

Congrats Novak



A deserving champion.

He really could clean up over the next couple of years.



emancipator

Contrasts.

12 months ago it was Nadal in trouble and Wawrinka never let him off the ropes.

Andy had Novak on the ropes and let him off. Won't win you slams.

Lets not get down on Andy, people don't give credit for reaching a final and losing but he deserves a lot of credit.

socal1976 wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:Great Post Jermaine. Nadal and RG awaits, is he up to the task?

IMO Novak was pretty ordinary in the S/F and F but still won. 

He has to play a lot higher level to beat Nadal in Paris though. But he's the only man who can beat him.

Yes but being ordinary and winning a slam is not a feat that very many can accomplish.

Yes that's what I was trying to say. Playing poorly and winning is a skill in its own right. 

But these mental lapses can't happen in Paris as Nadal will seize the chance if that happens. 

I'm hoping they meet in the final.

He didn't have a 2nd wind after Novak broke back in the 3rd set. Needed to serve better!

Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

It is interesting. I don't think Nadal would let a wounded Djokovic back into the match... And if he did, he'd probably recover from his balls up to not get bagelled the next set.

I do think this is Djokovic's year for Garros though. Nadal seems all but done, and Djokovic seems to know how to win ugly. I know this has been the case, quite literally, for the last three years, and Nadal has beaten him nonetheless... but I think this time is different. Father time has told, and caught Nadal before Djokovic

Isn't it too early to talk about Roland Garros?

legendkillarV2 wrote:Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

I am sorry LK, this is what was making me upset with the whole Djoko anomaly thread. There are 500 pros who wish they were playing in a final like Murray. It isn't easy to win that match. Sure going 7-0 in a slam is much better than going 6-1 but look how far he has come since last year.

Probably, anything could happen between now and then.

kingraf wrote:It is interesting. I don't think Nadal would let a wounded Djokovic back into the match... And if he did, he'd probably recover from his balls up to not get bagelled the next set.

I do think this is Djokovic's year for Garros though. Nadal seems all but done, and Djokovic seems to know how to win ugly. I know this has been the case, quite literally, for the last three years, and Nadal has beaten him nonetheless... but I think this time is different. Father time has told, and caught Nadal before Djokovic

Didn't Nadal just return after stomach surgery? Brave man to suggested Nadal's goose is cooked.

Is it? It's customary to talk about the permutations for the next slam immediately after the current one has been completed.

I'm a little perplexed. I went to play football just as the second set tie break finished, nothing at all between them for nearly 2 and a half hours...

I come home and Novak has breezed the rest. What on earth happened?!

Djoko looks like he still can't believe he got out of that one. He looked down and out.

Andy lost it when he started talking to himself/coaches with the F words again in that 3rd set. He had Djokovic well and truly on the ropes at the end of the 2nd but couldn't stay in the bubble and drive it home. Have to hand it to Djoko for mounting that comeback. Whatever was in those two clear looking drinks did the trick.

The disappointing thing isnt he lost, its that he gave up so easy. From a break up in the third he didn't win one single game, which as a contest is terribly frustrating to watch, in fact its inexplicable

Poor match. Should be more to tennis than endless rallies. Djokovic Murray is nearly always a terrible match up.

Murray handed that one to Djokovic.

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

I am sorry LK, this is what was making me upset with the whole Djoko anomaly thread. There are 500 pros who wish they were playing in a final like Murray. It isn't easy to win that match. Sure going 7-0 in a slam is much better than going 6-1 but look how far he has come since last year.

Exactly. 500 pros who would love to give their all in a slam final.

If Andy hadn't had the success he has, people would be less critical for the lapses in concentration in the big one.

Andy has been in finals. Won them. As such an athlete he should take finals in his stride. Like Federer has, Nadal and even Novak.

Djokovic roped and doped Murray and let loose a flurry of destruction from the end of the 3rd set and through the 4th. Ali Mumbayeh, ali Mumbayeh

socal1976 wrote:... but look how far he has come since last year.

Winning a slam is not easy, think of Baghdatis or Gonzalez or Safin or Hewitt and how much effort they put in.

legendkillarV2 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

I am sorry LK, this is what was making me upset with the whole Djoko anomaly thread. There are 500 pros who wish they were playing in a final like Murray. It isn't easy to win that match. Sure going 7-0 in a slam is much better than going 6-1 but look how far he has come since last year.

Exactly. 500 pros who would love to give their all in a slam final.

If Andy hadn't had the success he has, people would be less critical for the lapses in concentration in the big one.

Andy has been in finals. Won them. As such an athlete he should take finals in his stride. Like Federer has, Nadal and even Novak.

Yeah but it isn't that easy. The guy hasn't had it easy with Novak, Nadal, Federer to contend with. And it is a great effort to come from where he was last year struggling to get to the Tour finals to pushing Novak so hard for the final. There is a reason this guy has won this tournament 5-0, its the same thing to a lesser extent that Novak faces when he plays Nadal at RG.

Do you think Amelie Mauresmo will get the boot?
Interesting choice to bring her on board as coach but there's no way she (nor anyone else for that matter!) could manage that fiery temper.

I don't know why he would give her the boot he is playing really well.

Any case, Andy still has 2 slams, which is two more than me, or any of us feeling down that he lost so easy. We can criticise (or even hate in certain instances) but hes still out there trying while we sit here typing.

Frankly I think Andy should skip the French, and focus on Wimby, his best bet nowadays is a faster court, he wants slams and he has no realistic chance of winning on the slowest of all courts

Observations.
1. Djoko is a bad match up for Andy in that he can do all the stuff that Andy can do, but better.
2. Look how many points Novak won on his second serve compared with Murray.
3. The AO, in recent years, has NOT been an indicator as to how the year will go. Only once since 2007 has the Melbourne winner won another Slam that year and in some of those years the AO champion has not even reached another Slam final.
4. Djoko won't win the French this year as long as Rafa's playing.
5. Still a good tournament for Murray despite the big dip at the end of the final.

The Loaded Dog wrote:Do you think Amelie Mauresmo will get the boot?
Interesting choice to bring her on board as coach but there's no way she (nor anyone else for that matter!) could manage that fiery temper.

Shes done well but he to add someone who will tell him to shut it and not lose focus

Murray was slightly the better player after 2 3/4 hours of play, the last hour he couldn't win a rally to save his life, pretty inexcusable how far his game fell. Still can't knock his effort until 2-0 in the 3rd

"Djokovic got tongues wagging at the key moment of the match as he appeared injured at the start of the third set, hobbling slightly between points.

But as so often in the past Djokovic's mystery injury disappeared as quickly as it had appeared - prompting Murray to shout out "he ALWAYS does it".

ES. Djoko is tainted.

He's defending Semi finals points at Garros though. Don't know the ranking points, but is he entrenched in the top four well enough to lose 720 points? He loses that he could get a big Apple in the quarters of Wimbledon

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

I am sorry LK, this is what was making me upset with the whole Djoko anomaly thread. There are 500 pros who wish they were playing in a final like Murray. It isn't easy to win that match. Sure going 7-0 in a slam is much better than going 6-1 but look how far he has come since last year.

Exactly. 500 pros who would love to give their all in a slam final.

If Andy hadn't had the success he has, people would be less critical for the lapses in concentration in the big one.

Andy has been in finals. Won them. As such an athlete he should take finals in his stride. Like Federer has, Nadal and even Novak.

Yeah but it isn't that easy. The guy hasn't had it easy with Novak, Nadal, Federer to contend with. And it is a great effort to come from where he was last year struggling to get to the Tour finals to pushing Novak so hard for the final. There is a reason this guy has won this tournament 5-0, its the same thing to a lesser extent that Novak faces when he plays Nadal at RG.

It is socal. 5-5 in the TB in the first and Andy missed that put away. These guys train and practice hard, so it's not like Andy was missing 1/10 shots, it was 9/10 shots IMO.

If Novak had been playing the first set standard throughout the match, hands up yep you can't compete with that. However, the chance was there. Djokovic struggled and stalled. The foot should've been firmly planted down on the throat, but no. Andy goes into even more ultra defensive mode and it's like he wants to flop over the line, rather than sprint through.

Yes Andy has had some very high quality opponents to contend with. It isn't to say he hasn't had opportunities against those players in winning positions. Has happened so many times in his career and he might end up being famed for it.

Danny_1982 wrote:I'm a little perplexed. I went to play football just as the second set tie break finished, nothing at all between them for nearly 2 and a half hours...

I come home and Novak has breezed the rest. What on earth happened?!

Murray failed to drive home his advantage after leading 2-0 in the 3rd. He then collapsed totally after failing to break at 3-3, losing the last 8 games in a tide of, mainly, forehand errors. He then systematically smashed up his racquets, Baghdatis-style, at the end. That loss will hurt more than any of his other final defeats. Hopefully, he will look at the positives of the rest of the tournament but I have concerns we may see a prolonged downturn now.

Jahu wrote:"Djokovic got tongues wagging at the key moment of the match as he appeared injured at the start of the third set, hobbling slightly between points.

But as so often in the past Djokovic's mystery injury disappeared as quickly as it had appeared - prompting Murray to shout out "he ALWAYS does it".

ES. Djoko is tainted.

What's your source for this ?

sirfredperry wrote:Observations.
1. Djoko is a bad match up for Andy in that he can do all the stuff that Andy can do, but better.
2. Look how many points Novak won on his second serve compared with Murray.
3. The AO, in recent years, has NOT been an indicator as to how the year will go. Only once since 2007 has the Melbourne winner won another Slam that year and in some of those years the AO champion has not even reached another Slam final.
4. Djoko won't win the French this year as long as Rafa's playing.
5. Still a good tournament for Murray despite the big dip at the end of the final.

Yes Sirfred interesting observations. Cmon on here more often we miss you. But the one player since 2007 who has gone on to win another slam after winning the AO is named Novak Djokovic. I just think Novak is a little better than Andy again the superior second serve is a huge deal on the pro tour and Novak has that over Andy. How many times did Novak just abuse Andy's second delivery where Andy couldn't do the same thing to Novak often enough.

Is Andy the first man to go 0-4 in AO finals?!

He's like Jimmy White at the Crucible

It Must Be Love wrote:

Jahu wrote:"Djokovic got tongues wagging at the key moment of the match as he appeared injured at the start of the third set, hobbling slightly between points.

But as so often in the past Djokovic's mystery injury disappeared as quickly as it had appeared - prompting Murray to shout out "he ALWAYS does it".

ES. Djoko is tainted.

What's your source for this ?

Probably just his eyes and ears. I saw and heard that too

It Must Be Love wrote:

Jahu wrote:"Djokovic got tongues wagging at the key moment of the match as he appeared injured at the start of the third set, hobbling slightly between points.

But as so often in the past Djokovic's mystery injury disappeared as quickly as it had appeared - prompting Murray to shout out "he ALWAYS does it".

ES. Djoko is tainted.

What's your source for this ?

Hint the ES in the end, Eurosport.

There's a metaphor for Andy's second serve which included words like "cheerleader" and "entire football team"

legendkillarV2 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

socal1976 wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Thing is socal people will get annoyed. 8 finals and still can't handle the pressure during big moments. He has won Slams and it's frustrating that he allows these dips in so frequently.

I am sorry LK, this is what was making me upset with the whole Djoko anomaly thread. There are 500 pros who wish they were playing in a final like Murray. It isn't easy to win that match. Sure going 7-0 in a slam is much better than going 6-1 but look how far he has come since last year.

Exactly. 500 pros who would love to give their all in a slam final.

If Andy hadn't had the success he has, people would be less critical for the lapses in concentration in the big one.

Andy has been in finals. Won them. As such an athlete he should take finals in his stride. Like Federer has, Nadal and even Novak.

Yeah but it isn't that easy. The guy hasn't had it easy with Novak, Nadal, Federer to contend with. And it is a great effort to come from where he was last year struggling to get to the Tour finals to pushing Novak so hard for the final. There is a reason this guy has won this tournament 5-0, its the same thing to a lesser extent that Novak faces when he plays Nadal at RG.

It is socal. 5-5 in the TB in the first and Andy missed that put away. These guys train and practice hard, so it's not like Andy was missing 1/10 shots, it was 9/10 shots IMO.

If Novak had been playing the first set standard throughout the match, hands up yep you can't compete with that. However, the chance was there. Djokovic struggled and stalled. The foot should've been firmly planted down on the throat, but no. Andy goes into even more ultra defensive mode and it's like he wants to flop over the line, rather than sprint through.

Yes Andy has had some very high quality opponents to contend with. It isn't to say he hasn't had opportunities against those players in winning positions. Has happened so many times in his career and he might end up being famed for it.

Yeah but look at it this way. How about Novak's overhead running into the net against Nadal. What about Nadal blowing that routine backhand in the net at AO 2012. What about Federer Poopie away 18 break points against Nadal at wimby 2008? These guys are human and when faced with this kind of pressure sometimes you double fault on match point. Look its the nature of tennis you are never as bad as your worst shot and never as good as you are on your best shot. Andy is behind Novak right now. But it could be worse he could be a zero slam winner. The guy has won 2 slams and 8 finals is an accomplishment not an albatross.

socal, so why did you ask earlier why does Andy not get credit for reaching the Final?

You just said 2 slams and 8 finals, so Andy reaching the Final, should be a success with no Rafa or Fed on his way?

Dont sugarcoat Andys poor game today