Ricky Hatton

by AdamT Sat 25 Apr 2015, 8:58 am

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Big fan of him. Was a solid fighter and a stand up guy.

But for Heavens sake Ricky, STOP blaming the referee for the Floyd loss.

He maybe did break Rickys stride but to be honest, in all Rickys biggest wins, he done far to much grabbing and wrestling trying to wear opponents down. Even in the times Cortez, let him work inside, Mayweather was still getting the upper hand on him. Ricky seems to have this notion he is a tougher guy and could bully Floyd inside. He had no chance. Floyd could out box Ricky and out slug him if required.

I like Ricky and I don't like having to say this but time to let it go. You could never beat Floyd or Manny in a million years even if you were allowed to fight dirty.

Yes I am a bit hungover and on a bit of a rant, but everytime I see an interview with Hatton he goes over the same old s..t excuses, not only in this fight but the Pacquiao fight as well.

by irishbrads Wed 29 Apr 2015, 12:09 pm

88Chris05 wrote:I thought Cortez's refereeing performance was on the poor side. The point deduction was harsh and while excessive holding or inside exchanges which consist of nowt but mauling should be avoided, you've got to at least give them a chance to punch their way out. Too often he was jumping in before anyone had even had a chance to let a couple of shots go and before either man had really tied the other up. Just getting involved for the sake of it way too regularly and prematurely. I can't believe that anyone could say with a straight face that Cortez was right to get involved as many times as he did there.

The Floyd fanatics can take that as a swipe against their man if they like, but it's not. In terms of shipping the loss, the fact that Mayweather was so much better than him did for Hatton, not Cortez. Mayweather beats him all ends up under any circumstances and with any referee. But that doesn't automatically mean that Cortez's performance shouldn't still be criticised.

eaxactly, though i think you're being generous saying his performance was just 'poor', i label it a disgrace and found my self calling him every name under the sun watching the fight again, i even looked him up on twitter to tell him direct

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:07 pm

What is the difference betwen Hatton-Mayweather and Hagler-Hearns....

If I wanted a maul I'd watch wrestling.........

Brits whinging because Hatton got slapped..

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:14 pm

If Hatton was so interested in grappling, he should of started mma. His fight with Tsyu, was like a mixture of boxing, mma and wwf.

Punch,grab,punch grab. He was like Wlad without the skill.

by irishbrads Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What is the difference betwen Hatton-Mayweather and Hagler-Hearns....

If I wanted a maul I'd watch wrestling.........

Brits whinging because Hatton got slapped..

actually i'm Irish and a fan of both fighters but more importantly a fan of boxing, i appreciate Hattons style as much as Mayweathers, hatton mauled and rough housed his way to a world title when he beat Kostya Tzsyu, didn't hear him complain

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:16 pm

I'm a fan of Boxing too...............and I don't like holding and spoiling........

by Scottrf Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:18 pm

Cortez often broke them up before any holding and spoiling actually started.

by Mad for Chelsea Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:18 pm

didn't Cortez ref the Calzaghe-Hopkins bout a few months later? And basically allowed a bit of a free-for-all in terms of Hopkins's spoiling, etc.? Doesn't really help his cause...

by irishbrads Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:20 pm

Scottrf wrote:Cortez often broke them up before any holding and spoiling actually started.

and thats the bottom line

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:21 pm

Scottrf wrote:Cortez often broke them up before any holding and spoiling actually started.

More value for the fan then..

You know and I know that his gameplan was to stop Floyd working..

by TopHat24/7 Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:22 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm a fan of Boxing too...............and I don't like holding and spoiling........

Apart from when Floyd does it, right??

by Scottrf Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:22 pm

He wanted to work in close. Not being at the perfect range for your opponent isn't against the rules of boxing.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:26 pm

Hatton calls Mayweather boring.

The only thing that makes Hatton exciting is his defence or lack of. He was easily punched by good fighters.

Tried watching his so called masterclass vs Paulie again the other night. Never seen so much grabbing. Thought somebody must of cut Wlads legs off and fired him in at Jr welter.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:30 pm

Scottrf wrote:He wanted to work in close. Not being at the perfect range for your opponent isn't against the rules of boxing.

Cortez probably watched the Kosta fight. The holding in that was a joke. Lumbering out of breath lumps at heavyweight is one thing but watching conditioned lighter fighters grabbing the whole time time doesn't make good viewing.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:31 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm a fan of Boxing too...............and I don't like holding and spoiling........

Apart from when Floyd does it, right??

Floyds holding against Maidana was awful. I have to confess. He is getting old though, so probably spoiling for a breather.

What was Hattons excuse? Too many pints and hard work to get the weight off?

by Scottrf Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:31 pm

Of course a lot of it was Kosta holding...

by **88Chris05** Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:32 pm

Nice to know that, predictably, there are valid excuses for Floyd, though.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:33 pm

Scottrf wrote:Of course a lot of it was Kosta holding...

He did his fair share but Hatton began the wrestling. Anyway, whenever Hatton was allowed to work inside, Floyd still was beating him, so don't get the ref excuse from him.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:36 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Nice to know that, predictably, there are valid excuses for Floyd, though.

Not really. I wouldn't watch that Mayweather, Maidana fight if you paid me. Was terrible viewing. However Floyd gets the rep for being boring already, so doesn't matter.

Loads of people from here seem to think Ricky was this super exciting fighter. I admit he could fight and at times was good viewing. But no way in hell was he near as exciting as he or his fans would have you believe.

Far rather watch Khan or Froch anyday. Add Calzaghe to that as well.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:37 pm

That's a crap excuse to be honest Adam, you can't have one rule for one and one for another, it's an awful tactic no matter what. I would much prefer to see a fight with no holding, Chavez and Duran were masters working inside but didn't resort to holding nonstop.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:38 pm

I said Floyds holding can be awful. Least he doesn't do it after every punch.

I will leave the Ricky bashing, I get he is a uk icon to some.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:45 pm

I'm a big Ricky fan mate.........

For Hatton-Mayweather watch Williams-Toney...

Similar fight..........Hatton was trying to do the same thing..

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 1:53 pm

I'm not a massive fan of Hatton. Good fighter though, just not THAT good.

by **88Chris05** Wed 29 Apr 2015, 2:02 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:For Hatton-Mayweather watch Williams-Toney...

Similar fight..........Hatton was trying to do the same thing..

Toney in his post-fight interview: "He was trying to hold a lot, but I never hold - holding is for sissies."

by **hampo17** Wed 29 Apr 2015, 2:11 pm

AdamT wrote:I'm not a massive fan of Hatton. Good fighter though, just not THAT good.

Really? I don't think anyone could tell Wink

Cortez had a shocker that night, I understand breaking them up quickly in a clinch, that's fair enough. But Cortez was breaking them up once Hatton got on the inside, not even in a clinch. Was also happy warning Hatton time and time again for certain things, I lost count at how many times Floyd used the forearm or the elbow when I rewatched the fight yesterday. Can't defend the refs performance in that, especially as he let Hopkins spoil for 12 round agains Calzaghe not long after.

by AdamT Wed 29 Apr 2015, 2:29 pm

Don't get me worong, he seems a good guy. I would certainly rather share a pint with him , than sit in fat burger listening to hard work and dedication.

I mean I'm not a massive fan of his fighting style. He was good though.

by DuransHorse Wed 29 Apr 2015, 3:50 pm

My take on Ricky is that he has a lot of daemons and if he needs to tell himself he could have achieved a little more (achieved - as in being on the losing end of a close 12 round decision) had fortune favoured him a little better then there's no harm in it.

by Guest Wed 29 Apr 2015, 5:40 pm

DuransHorse wrote:My take on Ricky is that he has a lot of daemons and if he needs to tell himself he could have achieved a little more (achieved - as in being on the losing end of a close 12 round decision) had fortune favoured him a little better then there's no harm in it.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

by RanjitPatel Wed 29 Apr 2015, 8:09 pm

He was firm but he wasn't fair that night.

by Nico the gman Wed 29 Apr 2015, 9:17 pm

Ricky Hatton was on soccer am a couple of month ago, asked about Mayweather, Hatton said "I couldn't have hit Mayweather with a bag of confetti" doesn't sound like Ricky's blaming the ref in that instance, but if Cortez feels the refereeing was firm but fair,then he's living in cloud cuckoo land.

by compelling and rich Thu 30 Apr 2015, 1:22 pm

just watching the hatton ring side special and he's not soley blaming the ref for his defeat, what he said was "i knew i couldn't beat Floyd on the outside, or on talent alone. i needed to get on the inside and out work him and the ref didnt allow that. im not saying i still would have won but my best chance was taken away

something along those lines anyway, and i agree with most of what he said

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 3:44 pm

Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 30 Apr 2015, 3:55 pm

AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

Williams vs Toney............Is what happens when a referee isn't getting stuck in..

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 3:59 pm

Never seen it. Was the fight that bad??

by Scottrf Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:00 pm

The opposite.

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:02 pm

Scottrf wrote:The opposite.

Good fight then. must watch it.

by compelling and rich Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:07 pm

AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

by **88Chris05** Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:11 pm

AdamT wrote:
Scottrf wrote:The opposite.

Good fight then. must watch it.

This is the bit where I come in with one of my gushing tributes to Fat Toney and his brilliance, I think. With milky not around to keep me on the leash I can really cook up a couple of dozen paragraphs.....

But no, I'll refrain. But a very good fight with a great finish to put the icing on the cake.

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:13 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

Well if you enjoy punch then grab, punch then grab, then I guess he was.

At times he could be exciting, especially goint to the body. he had good speed and little defence.

I would say his fights were dramatic at times. I just can't do excessive holding. Might as well watch MMa.

by TopHat24/7 Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:14 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

Whereas Floyd is thrill a minute.....

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:15 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

Whereas Floyd is thrill a minute.....

Never said he was exciting. Said he was brilliant.

Hattons fans claim he was exciting. He was only exciting when being punched in the mouth. His grabbing was sickening.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:16 pm

88Chris05 wrote:
AdamT wrote:
Scottrf wrote:The opposite.

Good fight then. must watch it.

This is the bit where I come in with one of my gushing tributes to Fat Toney and his brilliance, I think. With milky not around to keep me on the leash I can really cook up a couple of dozen paragraphs.....

But no, I'll refrain. But a very good fight with a great finish to put the icing on the cake.

Chris, you are a poster with gravitas and your boxing knowledge is held in high regard on this forum so please, you need to stop seeking attention with these Bukk*ke metaphors.

by **88Chris05** Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:23 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
88Chris05 wrote:
AdamT wrote:
Scottrf wrote:The opposite.

Good fight then. must watch it.

This is the bit where I come in with one of my gushing tributes to Fat Toney and his brilliance, I think. With milky not around to keep me on the leash I can really cook up a couple of dozen paragraphs.....

But no, I'll refrain. But a very good fight with a great finish to put the icing on the cake.

Chris, you are a poster with gravitas and your boxing knowledge is held in high regard on this forum so please, you need to stop seeking attention with these Bukk*ke metaphors.

Well, that's one in the eye for me.

by **ShahenshahG** Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:43 pm

88Chris05 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
88Chris05 wrote:
AdamT wrote:
Scottrf wrote:The opposite.

Good fight then. must watch it.

This is the bit where I come in with one of my gushing tributes to Fat Toney and his brilliance, I think. With milky not around to keep me on the leash I can really cook up a couple of dozen paragraphs.....

But no, I'll refrain. But a very good fight with a great finish to put the icing on the cake.

Chris, you are a poster with gravitas and your boxing knowledge is held in high regard on this forum so please, you need to stop seeking attention with these Bukk*ke metaphors.

Well, that's one in the eye for me.

Must have been a toney one

by compelling and rich Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:46 pm

since when did hatton become a LW version of klitschko? he like to get close and fight on the inside all this he just grabs all the time is nonsense

wlads style is widely condemned over here so how come hatton became the most popular fighter the uk has seen with a grabbing boring style?

the whole point about cortez is that he didnt allow hatton to get inside nothing to do with grabbing, any where near touching distance and he split them up. which is why it was such a poor performance widely criticized. excessive holding isnt allowed, nobody would be having a go at him for enforcing the rules

by Nico the gman Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:50 pm

AdamT wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

Whereas Floyd is thrill a minute.....

Never said he was exciting. Said he was brilliant.

Hattons fans claim he was exciting. He was only exciting when being punched in the mouth. His grabbing was sickening.

Hatton's grabbing was sickening, give over it wasn't that bad, your talking like he done that the whole of his career,must have threw some worthwhile punches he only lost 2 before the comeback.

I agree with compelling and rich, you don't get a huge British fan base like Hatton by being a boring fighter.

by **superflyweight** Thu 30 Apr 2015, 4:51 pm

AdamT wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
AdamT wrote:Cortez made the fight watchable.

I am glad I didn't have to witness Hatton hug Mayweather to a 12 round loss.

yes because hatton was known for being in boring fights!?

Whereas Floyd is thrill a minute.....

Never said he was exciting. Said he was brilliant.

Hattons fans claim he was exciting. He was only exciting when being punched in the mouth. His grabbing was sickening.

Easily shocked?

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 7:37 pm

by AdamT Thu 30 Apr 2015, 7:50 pm

Ok I'm stirring a bit guys. Though In the Floyd fight what do you want him to get off with?

Perhaps he could put one of Floyds arms up his back while he hit him. Sure why not let old Bill the preacher stomp a cigarette in his eye while Hatton worked the body.

by Nico the gman Thu 30 Apr 2015, 9:21 pm

Cortez was supposed to make he's own judgement in the ring with regards to Hatton, IMO his mindset was influenced by others before the fighters had entered the ring.

Hatton was going to have a hard enough time in the ring with Mayweather without the ref stinking the place out.

In a fight Hatton was hardly ever likely to win, Cortez made doubly sure there wasn't going to be a remote chance of it happening, Cortez was a disgrace on the night.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 30 Apr 2015, 9:32 pm

No...The ref kept the action going...........Didn't let Hatton hold and hit and spoil all night..

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