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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 9:55 pm

GavinDragon wrote:I don't need to address anything, I am one fan with an opinion the same as you and any other fan.

Sure, but here I am trying to understand your opinion yet, sadly, you won't address a key element of it.

Previously you wrote: "Only sad, narrow minded parochial people stuck in the amateur era mindset would see gwent as something in direct competition to newport." so I wrote a detailed, honest and clear answer as to why that insult is misplaced.

It's misplaced because one club is carrying all of the risk but with only 50% ownership.

Do you think it fair that one club carries all of the financial risk, without total ownership, for a "Gwent" team? Sure, you don't need to address the question but, in all fairness, it will speak volumes if you don't address it.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:03 pm

But one club doesn't a number of individuals who have loaned a great deal of money do. It is their money which is a risk of not being repaid.

But do I accept that t is thanks to Newport RFC - AND ITS BACKERS - that we have a pro side at all? Yes.

But I do wonder why you feel the need to concern yourself with NGD matters? Your beloved Cardiff have already nailed their colours to the mast by stating they are Cardiff first and foremost...whats the matter scared we Dragons may also become a real region and leave you diffs alone peddling your pure club nostalgia?

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:06 pm

And on that note - how did the blues get on against Bristol tonight? Or can I expect a review from you on the Blues thread?

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:08 pm

GavinDragon wrote:But one club doesn't a number of individuals who have loaned a great deal of money do. It is their money which is a risk of not being repaid.

But do I accept that t is thanks to Newport RFC - AND ITS BACKERS - that we have a pro side at all? Yes.

But I do wonder why you feel the need to concern yourself with NGD matters? Your beloved Cardiff have already nailed their colours to the mast by stating they are Cardiff first and foremost...whats the matter scared we Dragons may also become a real region and leave you diffs alone peddling your pure club nostalgia?

The first sentence makes no sense. The second sentence is disproven by the security of Rodney Parade being used.

Ignoring the childish rhetoric, my concern is honesty. The game in Wales is dishonest.

Could you answer the question now? Or will we just note your reluctance to answer it, despite it's obvious answer?

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:09 pm

GavinDragon wrote:And on that note - how did the blues get on against Bristol tonight? Or can I expect a review from you on the Blues thread?

Cardiff won.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:11 pm

PhilBB wrote:
GavinDragon wrote:And on that note - how did the blues get on against Bristol tonight? Or can I expect a review from you on the Blues thread?

Cardiff won.

wow - insightful. Stick that in your grown up pipe and smoke it!

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:13 pm

GavinDragon wrote:

wow - insightful. Stick that in your grown up pipe and smoke it!

I'll put it in the 'Gavin won't answer a straight question because he knows the obvious answer goes against what he's preached' box.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:14 pm

no you can put that in the 'Gavin refuses to dance to Phil's tune' box

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:15 pm

and I as do not wish to further derail this thread with our discussion I will no longer respond to you unless it is rugby related. You know you can find me on twitter

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:18 pm

GavinDragon wrote:and I as do not wish to further derail this thread with our discussion I will no longer respond to you unless it is rugby related. You know you can find me on twitter

Sorry, I didn't realise it was you.

In which case, I'm disappointed. I expected you to at least note the inequality and unfairness of the situation. I'm very surprised that you won't address the issue.

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:20 pm

GavinDragon wrote:no you can put that in the 'Gavin refuses to dance to Phil's tune' box

My tune? Give over. It's a perfectly fair question. In fact, when you wrote about this on twitter and I pointed out that you had the wrong end of the stick, you replied with 'educate me'.

I just did that, politely and fairly. The response from a grown man was to run from the fair question. Why? What is there to gain?

It's obvious that Newport RFC shouldn't carry the financial responsibility alone unless they own 100%. What the hell they brand themselves is up to them.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:21 pm

How about you begin your own thread, separate to this, and I will address 'the issue'.

Then we can spare those who care little for politics of our ramblings

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 10:23 pm

GavinDragon wrote:How about you being your own thread, separate to this, and I will address 'the issue'

Odd.

It's a fair question, let's see if you want to answer it:

Should Newport RFC carry 100% of the financial risk for only 50% of the ownership? Yes or no?

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Post by Stone Motif on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:11 pm

GavinDragon wrote:and I as do not wish to further derail this thread with our discussion I will no longer respond to you unless it is rugby related. You know you can find me on twitter

Derail this thread? The ownership issue has derailed pro rugby at Rodney Parade for the last twelve years!

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:13 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
GavinDragon wrote:and I as do not wish to further derail this thread with our discussion I will no longer respond to you unless it is rugby related. You know you can find me on twitter

Derail this thread? The ownership issue has derailed pro rugby at Rodney Parade for the last twelve years!

and you can articulate your disgust on the other thread. What did you make of the game?

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Post by Stone Motif on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:22 pm

GavinDragon wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
GavinDragon wrote:and I as do not wish to further derail this thread with our discussion I will no longer respond to you unless it is rugby related. You know you can find me on twitter

Derail this thread? The ownership issue has derailed pro rugby at Rodney Parade for the last twelve years!

and you can articulate your disgust on the other thread. What did you make of the game?

Who died and made you moderator? I'll post what and where I like.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:24 pm

so did you watch the game?

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Post by Stone Motif on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:43 pm

GavinDragon wrote:so did you watch the game?

I didn't, no.

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:46 pm

shame - going over for the Zebre game?

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Post by Stone Motif on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:53 pm

GavinDragon wrote:shame - going over for the Zebre game?

I very much doubt it, you?

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Post by GavinDragon on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 11:55 pm

aye - a ST holder.

So who have Newport got first up then?

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Post by Stone Motif on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 12:05 am

Away aren't they? Valleys Rugby first up at home?

Presume you are trying to make some sort of Newport Ultra point here?

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Post by GavinDragon on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 12:09 am

nope trying to engage in some rugby chat

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 10:47 pm

GavinDragon wrote:nope trying to engage in some rugby chat

Ooh you little fibber.

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Post by Steffan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 3:16 pm

Does anyone on this thread actually talk about rugby anymore or is it all just Newport RFC Dragons politics?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 5:27 pm

Steffan wrote:Does anyone on this thread actually talk about rugby anymore or is it all just Newport RFC Dragons politics?

That, and some occasional Ponty-bashing (this is my favourite).

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Post by Steffan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 5:40 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
Steffan wrote:Does anyone on this thread actually talk about rugby anymore or is it all just Newport RFC Dragons politics?

That, and some occasional Ponty-bashing (this is my favourite).
We haven't had any 'Ponty are the route of all evil in Welsh rugby' for a while to be fair

Once the season kicks off I'm sure we will get back our 'I couldn't care less about Ponty, but... (insert long winded rant here)'

I also prefere the whole Newport 'Are we a region? Are we Newport RFC? Are we the Gwent Monmouthshire Cross Keys Pooler Dragons? Are we human or are we dancer?' thread as well

Smile

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Post by PhilBB on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:48 pm

Ponty lost to Henley Hawks yesterday.

NGD link? Bedwas put 70 in Henley last weekend.

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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:57 pm

[quote="Steffan"]Does anyone on this thread actually talk about rugby anymore or is it all just Newport RFC Dragons politics?[/quote

The game on Friday was good. We seem to have a scrum this season - even without Stankovic and Brok Harris. Also have a couple of young props coming through who are handy.

Ashton Hewitt looked very lively, put in a couple of good tackles. We also looked very competitive at the breakdown and put the Scarlets under pressure there.

Two intercept passes cost us the game. I think Luc Jones threw one of them. i do wonder how many more chances he will get.

Overall we look solid up front but lacking spark behind - hallmark of a Lyn Jones side I would say

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Post by munkian on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 8:21 pm

Brew has some catching up to do with Ashton

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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

I wish we had a distributor in midfield - would like to see us try and tempt Henson to RP

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Post by PhilBB on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:06 pm

GavinDragon wrote:I wish we had a distributor in midfield - would like to see us try and tempt Henson to RP

From Bristol???!?!?!? With what money???

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:07 pm

GavinDragon wrote:I wish we had a distributor in midfield - would like to see us try and tempt Henson to RP

I've fancied him at Dragons for a while too. But at fly-half, and then providing cover to 12 and 15 if needed.

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Post by GavinDragon on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:16 pm

agreed. although we probably could not afford him. then there is his injury record.

Shame that Ash Smith retired. dont think he ever played in a backline behind a solid pack

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:50 pm

Steffan wrote:Does anyone on this thread actually talk about rugby anymore or is it all just Newport RFC Dragons politics?

Unfortunately, Welsh rugby politics for one reason or another ad finitum has dominated message boards for donkeys. Can't see it changing anytime soon.

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Post by Guest on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 9:27 am

Adam Warren is meant to be the closest thing to a distributor we will have.

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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 9:37 am

Risca Rev wrote:Adam Warren is meant to be the closest thing to a distributor we will have.

Tricky one -Dorian et al need a minder at 12 - but the best 10 to come out of Gwent since Dai Watkins in particular is so positionally poor that even a rock like Dixon will inevitably get caught covering two channels so we may as well try a footballer there I spose

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Post by Steffan on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 12:53 pm

GavinDragon wrote:I wish we had a distributor in midfield - would like to see us try and tempt Henson to RP
Not a bad idea. May as well see if Newport County can sign Gareth Bale from Real Madrid as well

Sadly for you lot the Faletau deal to Bath fell through which would have potentially given some half decent cash to spend (not Henson though)

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Post by GavinDragon on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:12 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:Adam Warren is meant to be the closest thing to a distributor we will have.

Tricky one -Dorian et al need a minder at 12 - but the best 10 to come out of Gwent since Dai Watkins in particular is so positionally poor that even a rock like Dixon will inevitably get caught covering two channels so we may as well try a footballer there I spose

Dixon wont be covering anything for up to 6 months. According to BBC Sport Twitter he is out for 6 months with an achilles injury. Doh

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:16 pm

Oh great...

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Post by munkian on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:25 pm

FFS... it begins

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:32 pm

So that'll be Warren and Wardle then; they're decent centres. Let's hope Morgan doesn't get cropped too.

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Post by munkian on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:40 pm

Can Meyer play center too ?

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Post by GavinDragon on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:50 pm

Yes Meyer can. That is his primary position I think.

Wardle lined up at 12 against the Scarlets with Nightingale at 13. They looked solid enough.

I have read that warren is more of a footballing 12. Can't say I have seen much evidence of this in the two games so far.

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Post by munkian on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:51 pm

How far off is Leach from returning ?

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Post by GavinDragon on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:52 pm

Not sure - should also point out that the headline reads 6 months. But in the article Lyn Jones says 3-6 months. Lets hope it is 3!

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:00 pm

Not if coming back early means any further injury keeps him out for even longer. At least we've got cover this time.

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Post by PhilBB on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:03 pm

munkian wrote:How far off is Leach from returning ?

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/13588165.Dragons__injury_hit_centre_Pat_Leach_to_miss_opening_months_of_the_Pro12/

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Post by munkian on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:13 pm

Ta.

It won't be a center crisis like last season but its horrible for Dixon after all that work.

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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:20 pm

munkian wrote:Ta.

It won't be a center crisis like last season but its horrible for Dixon after all that work.

Be interesting to see how many more members of CrossFit Qatar break down after 'all that work' over the next few months

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