Ireland v Canada, 19 September

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IRELAND v CANADA
19 September 2015
KO: 14:30 BST
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Touch judges: Pascal Gaüzère (France) & Mike Fraser (New Zealand)
Television match official: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

6 Played 6
5 Won 0
1 Drawn 1
0 Lost 5
226 Points 77

B. Recent Form

Sat 30 May 1987
Canada 19 - 46 Ireland

Sun 30 Nov1997
Ireland 33 - 11 Canada

Sat 17 Jun 2000
Canada 27 - 27 Ireland

Sat 8 Nov 2008
Ireland 55 - 0 Canada

Sat 23 May 2009
Canada 6 - 25 Ireland

Sat 15 Jun 2013
Canada 14 - 40 Ireland

C. Teams

IRELAND

[tbc]

CANADA


1. Hubert Buydens – (Unattached/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
2. Ray Barkwill – (Unattached/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
3. Doug Wooldridge – (Lindsay RFC/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON
4. Brett Beukeboom – (Cornish Pirates) Lindsay, ON
5. Jamie Cudmore, Captain – (Clermont Auvergne) Squamish, BC
6. Kyle Gilmour – (Rotherham Titans/Prairie Wolf Pack) St. Albert, AB
7. John Moonlight – (James Bay AA/Ontario Blues) Pickering, ON
8. Aaron Carpenter – (Cornish Pirates/Ontario Blues) Brantford, ON
9. Gordon McRorie – (Calgary Hornets/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
10. Nathan Hirayama – (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
11. DTH van der Merwe – (Scarlets) Victoria, BC
12. Nick Blevins – (Calgary Hornets/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
13. Ciaran Hearn – (Unattached/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay South, NL
14. Jeff Hassler – (Ospreys) Okotoks, AB
15. Matt Evans - (Cornish Pirates) Maple Bay, BC

16. Benoit Piffero – (Unattached/Atlantic Rock) Montreal, QC
17. Djustice Sears-Duru – (Oakville Crusaders/Ontario Blues) Oakville, ON
18. Andrew Tiedemann - (Unattached/Prairie Wolf Pack) St. Albert, AB
19. Jebb Sinclair – (London Irish/Atlantic Rock) Fredericton, NB
20. Richard Thorpe – (London Welsh) Beckenham, England
21. Phil Mack – (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
22. Liam Underwood – (Balmy Beach RFC/Ontario Blues) Toronto, ON
23. Conor Trainor – (UBCOB Ravens/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC

Unavailable for selection:

Tyler Ardron – (Ospreys) Lakefield, ON
Harry Jones – (Capilano RFC/BC Bears) West Vancouver, BC

nathan wrote:

Golden wrote:Ref said he was offside when he showed the card.

ah rightl well he got it right outcome imo

But he would have been slapping the ball backwards no?

Thought Kearney was coming in from the side at the previous ruck so should have been a yellow for something.

Ooooh, Keith. That was on. I think he was thinking beyond catching the ball.

think that should of gone through the hands

Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

nathan wrote:think that should of gone through the hands

Yeah it was the wrong decision. It was on.

Another try disallowed for Canada- starting to feel sorry for them. The build-up play was very good.

Think Ireland have blown a couple of scores this half. Not as clinical as I would like.

Very passive defence from Ireland.

Ireland did what they needed to do quickly and efficiently. They can rest players and step down a notch or two. A lesson for england to learn.

Obsessed

rainbow-warrior wrote:Ireland did what they needed to do quickly and efficiently.  They can rest players and step down a notch or two.  A lesson for england to learn.

well they are playing an out of form Canadian team...

Discipline has been an issue for Ireland.

well done to the ref for not stopping that and allowing the try to be scored

Very good pass for Kearney from Earls. Great timing, great execution. Good break out try.

Puts England performance into perspective against a much better team than canada

Ireland could have and probably should have put 60 on this Canadian team.

Of course they might still get there!

We certainly missed a few opportunities in the third quarter of the game, but I don't think you'll find too many people disappointed with Ireland performance. Fiji are certainly a cut above Canada.

The bookies were right as usual at -43

Hopefully theres a few more

Golden wrote:The bookies were right as usual at -43

Uncannily accurate in this case.

POC absolutle flattening Cudmore just before Kearneys try has to be the moment of the match .

There we go, job done. 55-57 points enough for you Tighthead?

Spoke too soon. TMO again.

Physically Henderson is at another level not just compared to the Canadians but compared to his teammates too,he's a beast..

Pretty happy with Henderson. He looks to the manor born.

Really putting it up to Tonor now.

Canada were very good with ball in hand and were much better than expected. A professional league could bring both Canada and the USA to the next level.

Golden wrote:Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

And yet, beside that one mistake, Earls has looked better than Payne

Good performance from Ireland even in spite of the weak opposition. Henderson was immense.

There was only going to be one winner today and that was Ireland. Clearly the better team. Ireland could go all the way if they keep playing like this...but lets not forget their are better teams out there who will not let Ireland have the same amount of ball.

Still a good win for Ireland.

Good win for the arrogant Irish.

Sounds like a great crowd there

eirebilly wrote:

Golden wrote:Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

And yet, beside that one mistake, Earls has looked better than Payne

eirebilly wrote:

Golden wrote:Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

And yet, beside that one mistake, Earls has looked better than Payne

Thought Payne and Earls were both very good today beside the one mistake each. Both playing in their best positions in this team too.

Notch wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

Golden wrote:Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

And yet, beside that one mistake, Earls has looked better than Payne

Ahh, so Payne scored a try off the work of Madigan (which he almost over ran).

Gave away a try
Missed a tackle
Kicked a ball out on the full
Kicked way too late when no Canadian 15 at home and only won a lineout
Wasted a good overlap by running again towards the wing.

Earls, dropped a ball, horrible mistake but still performed better than Payne.

Sorry, forgot you poor eyesight there for a second

Golden wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

Golden wrote:Well Fitz is looking better then Earls for the 23 jersey off the basis of this game.

And yet, beside that one mistake, Earls has looked better than Payne

Thought Payne and Earls were both very good today beside the one mistake each. Both playing in their best positions in this team too.

You may be right about Earls at 11 but not about Payne at 13. Would love to see Henshaw at 13 with Cave at 12 and dare I say it, even Fitz at 12

Dont forget Earls work in the scrum

I think you're very blind to the good things he brings to the game and I think he had another good game today. Tackled well, passed well, ran very good lines. He's just a very smooth operator in that 13 shirt, and I think the crucial thing for him as Schmidt sees it is he can play any style. You want a crash ball player he can do it, a ball player he can do it, an auxiliary kicker he can do it. If this was the first game I had seen, I wouldn't single any player out as not doing their job. There were errors at times from a few players including Payne and Earls, but everyone did their job well.

Thought Payne was very good- I don't think the try he gave away would have happened in a tight game- the wing gambled on a try for Ireland vs a try for Canada. I don't think you should operate assuming the opposition defence will act irrationally. Earls didn't show me anything new. Good at running out wide, which we knew after his first season with Munster- he hasn't shown that has built too much upon that foundation though. As I have said umpteen times on this board- I  think he's too small to start internationally. He was hit a couple of times and was bossed in the collision when he didn't have forward momentum. I don't think Ireland can afford to play too many of those players.

Fair play to Canada for turning up and playing, would love to see them have a good game against Italy. At times they look really good with ball in hand. I think Cudmore has a lot to answer for, stupid yellow card and put his teammates under so much pressure when he should be leading by example, and a lot of the damage was done during his time in the bin. Twit.

For Ireland, getting the decisive result (particularly after the warmups) and no injuries was the big thing, but the big winners:
- Iain Henderson was immense. I think we have enough lineout operators that Devin Toner could be replaced, because Henderson offers so much in ball carrying, work at the breakdown, and physicality. Lost count of how many times he ripped the ball in the tackle.
- Rob and Dave Kearney had good games. Really big fan of how Kearney Jr is peaking now, seems to make could yards with the ball. Kearney Sr getting back up to speed and looked solid
- Sexton very controlled, hopefully more of the same. Madigan was also strong of the bench.
- Lineout and set-piece went well.

Some minor points:
- The defence still seems to be leaking yards in contact, or is too stand-offish, too easy to get over the gain-line at times. On occasion, particularly in the 22, it was very strong, but needs tightening.
- O Brien is a great ball carrier and tackler, but at times he is leaking silly penalties as the breakdown. And they could prove more costly in bigger games.
- Would like to have seem Zebo get a bit more time, but fairly minor quibble that.

OVerall, great first start!

What I want to see more from Earls is him coming off the wing and looking for the ball more. He can be a very peripheral figure and right now he's depending on the players inside him to create chances for him out wide, not threatening himself. But for today we were playing to a structure with a lot of width so you weren't going to see that from the wingers. I was very pleased with his decision making and execution when he passed to Kearney, those are the kinds of situations where you would be worried about him in the past.

Sorry Notch but I do think that Payne lacks the awareness that everyone praises him for. That kick out on the full, that delayed kick when Ireland's quick's were poised with no Canadian 15 at home, the none kick that led to the Canadian try, the running sideways when the pass for the overlap was on and the fact that he nearly over ran Madigan for his try really highlight what I have been saying. I do not think that Payne is a bad player, he is just not a 13...

That pass that Earls made up for his drop and his defensive work has blown a few of those misconstrued myths about him. Still needs that bit more composure though as he did drop the ball when standing in the 13 channel.

I know Sexton got MoTM but for me, Henderson was the player for Ireland. Worked we and made so much ground, quality shift from him.

Madigan did very well when he came on as well and it was great to see Rob Kearney looking confident under the high ball again.

Dave Kearney

Payne made numerous mistakes today. He did good things but the negatives outweighed the positives. It was just one of those games for him.


Luke Fitz had a good game and once again showed that center is his best position. He just looks more comfortable there.

Opinions aplenty! I don't envy Schmidt.

Actually turned out to be an entertaining game, thanks to Canada playing at a fast tempo. The result was no more and no less than expected though.

Delighted for Henderson. He played really well and showed that he deserved his start.

Payne had a good game, bar gifting a try to Canada. Earls wasn't bad either, bar destroying a try scoring chance with a characteristic fumble.

Nice start for Ireland, but won't read too much into the result. Canada are not a good side, although they did play better than I expected.

Actually I think its a game which highlights why I think you are wrong. Because the amount of times the ball went through Paynes hands; its extremely hard to imagine Earls playing 13 in that kind of game plan. He can pass, but he's just not that player. He just not that kind of thinker about the game. Earls is an instinctive player- an excellent instinctive player. But he's not outside centre material for me. It's the way Payne reads the game that constantly impresses me, and brings the players around him into it. I just can't imagine Earls stepping in for him and it not badly affecting the balance of our team.

Strongly agree. I think it's fairly clear that Eals' first instinct is to tuck the ball and have a dash. Wing has to be his position

Notch wrote:Actually I think its a game which highlights why I think you are wrong. Because the amount of times the ball went through his hands; its extremely hard to imagine Earls playing 13 in that kind of game plan. He can pass, but he's just not that player. He just not that kind of thinker about the game. He's an instinctive player. It's the way Payne reads the game that constantly impresses me.

I say again :
Kicked way too late when Ireland's boys could have got away.
Kicked the ball to a wing, gifting Canada a Try
Ran sideways, removing an overlap
Kicked needlessly and out on the full

Yeah Payne read that game well...

And he's very good at it. I think he really deserves to be starting for us in this World Cup. I would echo your comments about Payne, but applied to Earls; good player, simply not suited to play 13.

I am happy for Earls to stay on the wing but Ireland need a proper 13... Henshaw (or Earls )

eirebilly wrote:

Notch wrote:Actually I think its a game which highlights why I think you are wrong. Because the amount of times the ball went through his hands; its extremely hard to imagine Earls playing 13 in that kind of game plan. He can pass, but he's just not that player. He just not that kind of thinker about the game. He's an instinctive player. It's the way Payne reads the game that constantly impresses me.

I say again :
Kicked way too late when Ireland's boys could have got away.
Kicked the ball to a wing, gifting Canada a Try
Ran sideways, removing an overlap
Kicked needlessly and out on the full

Yeah Payne read that game well...

 

So his kicking was poor. The rest of his play was very good, particularly his defence, distribution and the line he took for the try.

eirebilly wrote:

Notch wrote:Actually I think its a game which highlights why I think you are wrong. Because the amount of times the ball went through his hands; its extremely hard to imagine Earls playing 13 in that kind of game plan. He can pass, but he's just not that player. He just not that kind of thinker about the game. He's an instinctive player. It's the way Payne reads the game that constantly impresses me.

I say again :
Kicked way too late when Ireland's boys could have got away.
Kicked the ball to a wing, gifting Canada a Try
Ran sideways, removing an overlap
Kicked needlessly and out on the full

Yeah Payne read that game well...

 

What is your obsession with Payne? He is better than Earls in centre. He is rated at centre by Schmidt, by Henshaw and by Darcy, to name but a few. You know better than they do, of course. If only Joe would bring you in as coach...