England v Wales, 26 September

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ENGLAND v WALES
26 September 2015
KO: 20:00
Twickenham, London

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Touch judges: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

126 Played 126
58 Won 56
12 Drawn 12
56 Lost 58
1,596 Points 1,456

B. Recent Form

6 February 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
16 – 21 to England

9 March 2014
Twickenham Stadium, London
29 – 18 to England

16 March 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
30 – 3 to Wales

25 February 2012
Twickenham Stadium, London
12 – 19 to Wales

13 August 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 9 to Wales

6 August 2011
Twickenham, London
23 – 19 to England

4 February 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
19 – 26 to England

6 February 2010
Twickenham, London
30 – 17 to England

14 February 2009
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
23 – 15 to Wales

2 February 2008
Twickenham, London
19 – 26 to Wales

C. Teams

ENGLAND

[tbc]

WALES

[tbc]

It's an option lost but I wouldn't prefer to see Brown moved to the wing (if that's who you're on about!). Has Goode ever played in midfield or do you think he'd be considered there?

TightHEAD wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:Last four 6 nations results

2012 and 2013 Wales wins

2014 and 2015 England wins

When Wales win Brad Barritt plays. Just thought I'd point that out.

You're the life and soul of this party aren't you...

Stats don't lie.

Do they not?

How dare they say such a thing!

They don't lie but a lot of people can't read them very well and just see what they want to see.

lostinwales wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

lostinwales wrote:I do see a lot of Welsh talking up their team and England talking theirs down on here. Time will tell.

Really?

lostinwales wrote:for the first 15 minutes or so before Francis is blown Wales will be on top in the forwards, followed by 40 minutes or so (actually 35 minutes given all subs come on at 50 minutes) it will be more even. Then in the last half hour the England replacements will be marching the Welsh scrum across the pitch.

I didn't say I was talking England down did I. I have concerns but I think Wales should have a lot more

England should have no concerns if their replacements are marching the Welsh scrum across the pitch.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

lostinwales wrote:I do see a lot of Welsh talking up their team and England talking theirs down on here. Time will tell.

Really?

lostinwales wrote:for the first 15 minutes or so before Francis is blown Wales will be on top in the forwards, followed by 40 minutes or so (actually 35 minutes given all subs come on at 50 minutes) it will be more even. Then in the last half hour the England replacements will be marching the Welsh scrum across the pitch.

I didn't say I was talking England down did I. I have concerns but I think Wales should have a lot more

England should have no concerns if their replacements are marching the Welsh scrum across the pitch.

I don't have any concerns over our replacement front row being able to outmatch yours. That isn't exactly rocket science.

I do have concerns over how well our center combo will work, and with Goode on the bench we are limited in our options as to how to fix things if they are not working. I do have concerns about how well the scrum will work early on and how well the line out will work out through the the match. I do think the Welsh will be very fired up for this, and that can have a big effect (although that can work against them too). But I think we have worked out how to play Wales now and that there is a lot of steel in the core of this team.

It's a cliche, but I do think that if either side can get off to a flyer, that could have a huge bearing on things. If England start well and score an early try, then we really could struggle; alternatively, if Wales come out firing and make it tell on the scoreboard, that could heighten the pressure on the hosts.

I can't call it at all!

lostinwales wrote:

Breakdown is as ever anyone's guess, and saying Wales will be on top may well be down to the standard perception of Robshaw 'not being a 7'. There is a well distributed interview with Warburton this week where he goes out of his way to say how effective Robshaw actually is. It is going to be down to how the packs operate as a unit as a much as anything.

I think Sam Warburton actually said he considers Robshaw to be a far superior player, that it is actually just a pleasure to be on the same field as him, that he has endless stacks of tapes of robshaws games watched over and over trying to pick up tips on how to be the worlds best open side flanker...! That he feels guilty that both himself and his Welsh team deputy master Tipuric were deemed more selectable for the lions tour than Robshaw...!

In many of our eyes this match is all about small margins making a difference, but for Sam, he believes he will be needing to make yards, maybe even furlongs to match Robshaw for class...

maestegmafia wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Breakdown is as ever anyone's guess, and saying Wales will be on top may well be down to the standard perception of Robshaw 'not being a 7'. There is a well distributed interview with Warburton this week where he goes out of his way to say how effective Robshaw actually is. It is going to be down to how the packs operate as a unit as a much as anything.

I think Sam Warburton actually said he considers Robshaw to be a far superior player, that it is actually just a pleasure to be on the same field as him, that he has endless stacks of tapes of robshaws games watched over and over trying to pick up tips on how to be the worlds best open side flanker...! That he feels guilty that both himself and his Welsh team deputy master Tipuric were deemed more selectable for the lions tour than Robshaw...!

In many of our eyes this match is all about small margins making a difference, but for Sam, he believes he will be needing to make yards, maybe even furlongs to match Robshaw for class...

Warburton is a class act, both on and off the field. Having Tipuric come on and Warburton shift to 6 gives Wales a nice impact option as well.

Ah jeez Emily Blunt is insanely hot. Who is the Welsh bird?

Perdita Weeks.

GunsGerms wrote:Ah jeez Emily Blunt is insanely hot. Who is the Welsh bird?

The film 'edge of tomorrow' is a favorite of mine for lots of reasons...

Scottrf wrote:Perdita Weeks.

Never heard of her. 1 nil to England.

I don't see a big deal with the selection, pretty obvious! Wales for years have struggled if the opposition can neutralise their big direct runners. I can't think of a 10/12/13 axis more capable of doing that than Farrell/Burgess/Barrett.

Looking forward to it

lostinwales wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Ah jeez Emily Blunt is insanely hot. Who is the Welsh bird?

The film 'edge of tomorrow' is a favorite of mine for lots of reasons...

All of them Emily of the liquidy wonderful eyes..... *sigh*

..............................

where was I?


Oh yes.... Stop day dreaming guys and back to the rugby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonny Parker has responded to the click-bait anyway... Just thought I'd point that out in case you hadn't seen it.

Without tempting fate, I quite like Garces style of reffing and I think it suits England more then Wales.

Can we assume that as WG now states that we are going to smash them, that we will in fact see a lot of grubbers and chips in midfield? I do hope we mix it up a bit.

SecretFly wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Ah jeez Emily Blunt is insanely hot. Who is the Welsh bird?

The film 'edge of tomorrow' is a favorite of mine for lots of reasons...

All of them Emily of the liquidy wonderful eyes..... *sigh*

..............................

where was I?


Oh yes.... Stop day dreaming guys and back to the rugby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly Emily then married James Corden and tried to sing. (ps I do not recommend "Into the Woods")


Perdita Weeks was born in Wales but I thought brought up as English. Her sister honeysuckle was assistan to Foyle in "Foyles War". And what kind of pretentious parents call their daughters Perdita & Honeysuckle?

LondonTiger wrote:Sadly Emily then married James Corden

Is her other husband aware of that fact? Or James' wife?

LondonTiger wrote: what kind of pretentious parents call their daughters Perdita & Honeysuckle?

Perverted ones?

Scottrf wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Sadly Emily then married James Corden

Is her other husband aware of that fact? Or James' wife?

It was only on screen.

LondonTiger wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:Sadly Emily then married James Corden

Is her other husband aware of that fact? Or James' wife?

It was only on screen.

I feel stupid

Thank God it was only on screen. Almost lost all infatuation for her..

TightHEAD wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:Last four 6 nations results

2012 and 2013 Wales wins

2014 and 2015 England wins

When Wales win Brad Barritt plays. Just thought I'd point that out.

You're the life and soul of this party aren't you...

Stats don't lie.

More material: who was the ref in 2012 and 2013? His whistling was hardly uncontroversial in either game.

2014 and 2015: French ref. RWC 2015: French ref. Just sayin'

Eh!!!!

Watch it.

Let's not be Nationalising the Ref Grader. Labour lost.

As an aside, Emily Blunt has a sister who looks very very similar who lives in SW London. I've done a double take a few times.

Two of them??? It ain't so. The world don't get so perfect, Bathman. You have to be spoofing.

SecretFly wrote:Two of them???  It ain't so.  The world don't get so perfect, Bathman.  You have to be spoofing.

Eva green is a twin....

Oh shut up, lost. I'm trying to concentrate on rugby.

Eva Green is very top of my list..... well emmm, slightly behind Famke Janssen................... then Emily ...then her sister...

SecretFly wrote:Oh shut up, lost.  I'm trying to concentrate on rugby.

Eva Green is very top of my list..... well emmm, slightly behind Famke Janssen................... then Emily   ...then her sister...

Two sisters

SecretFly wrote:Two of them???  It ain't so.  The world don't get so perfect, Bathman.  You have to be spoofing.

Not a word of a lie. Sadly I have yet to bump into Emily though.

out of interest how good is the welsh front row ? that worries me . a lot.

LondonTiger wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Oh shut up, lost.  I'm trying to concentrate on rugby.

Eva Green is very top of my list..... well emmm, slightly behind Famke Janssen................... then Emily   ...then her sister...

Two sisters

https://youtu.be/1UxU8s7Au0A?t=30s

alive555 wrote:out of interest how good is the welsh front row ? that worries me . a lot.

Jenkins was either a cheating barsteward in the scrum and good in the loose or one of the best in his generation (Sigh) Elder statesman these days
Baldwin is pretty solid from the sounds of things and I believe was the starting Wales hooker in the 6N
Francis is the massive Yorkshire newbie. Good scrummager but I believe will struggle to manage the pace given his lack of experience at this (or any) level and bulk. Maybe a great player one day who knows but is probably an England reject for a reason.

Wales won six scrums against the head and 25 lineouts against Uruguay.

England lost three scrums against the head vs Fiji.

Out of 18 lineouts vs Fiji England one seven losing one on their own throw.

This was obviously because Gethin Jenkins is a cheating Barsteward, Baldwin an unknown and Francis a Yorkshireman who couldn't get into an England team if he wanted to..

Look all is fair in Love war and the front row as long as you don't get caught. But Jenkins has been caught more than a few times vs England. All I'm saying

Front row isnt as important as the lock paring IMO, there isn't an English front rower who is playing that well, and the Welsh front row isn't what it was.

lostinwales wrote:Look all is fair in Love war and the front row as long as you don't get caught. But Jenkins has been caught more than a few times vs England. All I'm saying

Yes I saw. You said he is a cheat.

maestegmafia wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Look all is fair in Love war and the front row as long as you don't get caught. But Jenkins has been caught more than a few times vs England. All I'm saying

Yes I saw. You said he is a cheat.

maestegmafia wrote:

This was obviously because Gethin Jenkins is a cheating Barsteward

So did you, at least we are all agreed

both ludicrously excited, and sick in my stomach. beginning to feel optimistic that farrell will put in a top class performance and the front row will come good.......

I think that this is the first time I've seen a match thread full up before the game has even started.

I'll set up a Part 2 this evening with Perdita benched in favour of a more high profile Welsh team rep. Any suggestions? Katherine Jenkins will always get my vote but I remain a slave to the whims of the majority.

Charlotte Church's mum for Wales?

The wheelchair biddy from Benidorm for England?

Lets get weird with it!!!

Gooseberry wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Look all is fair in Love war and the front row as long as you don't get caught. But Jenkins has been caught more than a few times vs England. All I'm saying

Yes I saw. You said he is a cheat.

maestegmafia wrote:

This was obviously because Gethin Jenkins is a cheating Barsteward

So did you, at least we are all agreed

No, I disagree, Jenkins is far from a cheat. Best loosehead in a northern hemisphere generation, most capped prop in the history of the game.

To label him a cheat is trolling. Hence my sarcasm at your previous suggestion.

Fanster wrote:Charlotte Church's mum for Wales?

The wheelchair biddy from Benidorm for England?

Lets get weird with it!!!

But if we do that we'll need someone like Mary Berry as England team rep. Not that she isn't a fabulous lady.

Topical Lady Paloma Faith for England.

Marina Diamandis for Wales

rozakthegoon wrote:both ludicrously excited, and sick in my stomach. beginning to feel optimistic that farrell will put in a top class performance and the front row will come good.......

Wish I shared your optimism - I'm worried this could go horribly wrong .... but whatever happens I really hope it doesn't hinge on a controversial decision or this place will explode.

Just read an article in the media where rowntree said "i expect Wales will come with a few tricks up their sleeves" . What about England actually anticipating those tricks or shock horror turning up with a few of their own tricks? I fully expect us to be out thought and out played through Wales planning. Rowntree gets caught out time and time again.