Quality game on 22 minutes gone 3 - 7 Osp Lein

20 odd minutes of fantastic compelling rugby. High skill levels, real bite and physicality in very wet conditions.

Great try to boot!

Plus obviously Biggar versus Sexton

Sexton is pulling the strings nicely, hitting form at the right time coming up to the Six Nations.

Is Sexton showing Biggar's level of leadership and kicking?? Please tell me quickly!

Sexton not showing any X-Factor there

yappysnap wrote:Is Sexton showing Biggar's level of leadership and kicking?? Please tell me quickly!

He's showing great leadership and kicking, but he has some way to go in the X-Factor stakes to catch up to Dan Biggar with his Welsh Sports Personality of the Year award

The choke tackle is really annoying anti-rugby. I know all sides do it when they can, but it's a negative side of the game that needs changing.

Cyril wrote:The choke tackle is really annoying anti-rugby. I know all sides do it when they can, but it's a negative side of the game that needs changing.

I think it's great. It encourages teams to look for space and not for contact and punishes poor technique in the carry. If the standard of attack coaching was as high as the standard of defence coaching at the top level of NH rugby, it wouldn't be seen as an issue.

Notch wrote:

Cyril wrote:The choke tackle is really annoying anti-rugby. I know all sides do it when they can, but it's a negative side of the game that needs changing.

I think it's great. It encourages teams to look for space and not for contact and punishes poor technique in the carry. If the standard of attack coaching was as high as the standard of defence coaching at the top level of NH rugby, it wouldn't be seen as an issue.

You would think it's great. It's practically an Irish set move

Very impressed by youngster Sam Underhill.

That's a great Leinster try

No better team in the league than Leinster for absorbing pressure for long spells, then hitting a team against the run of play.

I know it's poor weather but the handling had been really bad at times by both sides.

Citing for Sexton?

He jumped into the tackle...

Good time for Dave Kearney to find form and score 2 tries.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:He jumped into the tackle...

Thought the same. Similar to the reddan on Conway the previous week. The attacking players motion takes him into the air but the tackler gets pings for the result. It will become a tactic of light(ish) players backflipping into tackles in order to win cheap penaltys to relieve pressure or grab some points.

Overall a decent game considering the conditions. Though the Leinster scrum was on top by the end and unlucky not to be winning penalties rather than standup resets.

VinceWLB wrote:Very impressed by youngster Sam Underhill.

Is he one of the Hobbiton Underhills?

The best part was when the small crowd that was there chanted 'cheat' 'cheat' at the ref when we pushed their scrum back around 10m.

LeinsterFan4life wrote: the small crowd that was there.

That's the pull of the mighty Leinster in the pro12.

O's got a better crowd when they played on a Sunday against Munster.

It is interesting to note that the wheels came off when their much lauded players like AWJ and Tipuric came on. The cheat chants were hilarious indeed considering the scrum just got hammered.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The best part was when the small crowd that was there chanted 'cheat' 'cheat' at the ref when we pushed their scrum back around 10m.

That always happens with Irish refs at the Liberty, standard practice.

It is a sad state of affairs and has been far too prevalent this season from the Welsh regions. I should add that before people start moaning at me and telling me to get off my high horse or whatever, this has been an obvious observation by anyone who watches the Pro 12. I haven't noticed it from other teams.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:It is a sad state of affairs and has been far too prevalent this season from the Welsh regions. I should add that before people start moaning at me and telling me to get off my high horse or whatever, this has been an obvious observation by anyone who watches the Pro 12. I haven't noticed it from other teams.

I wonder what has started this trend?

The typical victim mentality of the Welsh perhaps? The usual stance of blaming everyone else for their own performances? I'm not sure, it could be a number of reasons, Chunky.

Penalty count favoured Ospreys in the end.

We all know what happens when Irish support get on their high horse with regards to crowd behaviour. Booooooooooo etc.

Do you like people chanting "cheat" at the referee at rugby matches, Rev? This has nothing to do with Irish horses... The chanting is not a nice thing to have creep into the game and at the moment we both know where it is mostly coming from.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:The typical victim mentality of the Welsh perhaps? The usual stance of blaming everyone else for their own performances? I'm not sure, it could be a number of reasons, Chunky.

Those cheap stereotypical traits have always existed though haven't they? Why would fans of Welsh pro teams have a cause to start chanting this in the last few seasons only?

Notch wrote:Penalty count favoured Ospreys in the end.

Which of course means fark Hall.

I've seen you say it's prevalent though. I've been at one of two Dragons matches this season, where it has been chanted and told people to stop it but it's a minority. It isn't widespread or commonplace as you seem to suggest. It has been in three of the pro team games this season.

Despite this occasional behaviour, I don't believe we've ever been accused of racism or had a player enter our support to issue his brand of justice. It was a fairly interesting read of an Ulster rugby forum for the allegation of Aled Brew being racially abused. Is there really much difference between chanting at players things like dodgy kicker (when they probably were not overall) and chanting some moronic chant at a ref? I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

Risca Rev wrote: I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The Ulster forum is a disgusting place. Some real beauts on there.

Anyone know for sure where these unorthodox things are mostly creeping into the game from? I certainly don't, and I also don't know how anyone else could be so certain on it.

Risca Rev wrote:
The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

Well that's obvious to everyone. I just think some of these Irish rugby followers love the high-horse. And further to this allow me to add, regardless of what you're lead to believe, not everyone loves the Irish and the world doesn't owe you anything. Now come on down off there.

Risca Rev wrote:I've seen you say it's prevalent though. I've been at one of two Dragons matches this season, where it has been chanted and told people to stop it but it's a minority. It isn't widespread or commonplace as you seem to suggest. It has been in three of the pro team games this season.

Despite this occasional behaviour, I don't believe we've ever been accused of racism or had a player enter our support to issue his brand of justice. It was a fairly interesting read of an Ulster rugby forum for the allegation of Aled Brew being racially abused. Is there really much difference between chanting at players things like dodgy kicker (when they probably were not overall) and chanting some moronic chant at a ref? I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

You seem to have taken what I have said rather personally to resort to such childish mud slinging. Actually there have been more than 3 occasions this season where these chants have happened and so I used the term "prevalent" to highlight this. It has been frequent, and this only includes the Irish teams playing away to Wales that I have seen. I don't like it and I would prefer it didn't happen, which is a fair statement. I'm not suggesting that every Welsh fan does it (obviously, this shouldn't even need to be stated) but it is something creeping into the game.

What the Ulster forum has to do with this I have no idea. Besides, every supporter's forum I have seen tend to be as tribal and viscous. Again, I wish this were not the case (I stay clear of such places) but like I said it has nothing to do with these games or this topic.

Edit: I should also stress that the reason the "cheat" chanting is more sinister is because there seems to be a legimate group of "fans"accusing the Pro 12 and officials of intentional bias. Chunky has already perfectly alluded to this above and numerous other times. Sure, he can tell you the real reason the chants exist.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:The typical victim mentality of the Welsh perhaps? The usual stance of blaming everyone else for their own performances? I'm not sure, it could be a number of reasons, Chunky.

Those cheap stereotypical traits have always existed though haven't they? Why would fans of Welsh pro teams have a cause to start chanting this in the last few seasons only?

I was responding in kind to your pathetic nonsense.

Munster fans tend to 'boo' any decision against their side.

I realise 'cheat' is a bit specific, but how is this really different from just being annoyed that your side is being penalised?

Cyril wrote:Munster fans tend to 'boo' any decision against their side.

I realise 'cheat' is a bit specific, but how is this really different from just being annoyed that your side is being penalised?

I edited my post a bit to explain why. Although Chunky can explain it in much better words than me.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Cyril wrote:Munster fans tend to 'boo' any decision against their side.

I realise 'cheat' is a bit specific, but how is this really different from just being annoyed that your side is being penalised?

I edited my post a bit to explain why. Although Chunky can explain it in much better words than me.

Cheers. I guess you and Chunky are different sides of the same coin.

Cyril wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Cyril wrote:Munster fans tend to 'boo' any decision against their side.

I realise 'cheat' is a bit specific, but how is this really different from just being annoyed that your side is being penalised?

I edited my post a bit to explain why. Although Chunky can explain it in much better words than me.

Cheers. I guess you and Chunky are different sides of the same coin.

...Except I don't try and derail threads and go out of my way to antagonise others. Nor do I have a twisted agenda against a certain group of fans.

He is basically doing the same thing (except a lot worse) that you hate Gwlad for. Except this time it is towards Ireland (with a particular hatred towards Ulster). I guess this makes you the eirebilly of this thread.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

He is basically doing the same thing (except a lot worse) that you hate Gwlad for. Except this time it is towards Ireland (with a particular hatred towards Ulster). I guess this makes you the eirebilly of this thread.

Huh, why am i being dragged into this and when have i said i have a hatred for Ulster?

eirebilly wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

He is basically doing the same thing (except a lot worse) that you hate Gwlad for. Except this time it is towards Ireland (with a particular hatred towards Ulster). I guess this makes you the eirebilly of this thread.

Huh, why am i being dragged into this and when have i said i have a hatred for Ulster?

Apologies Billy, it was a joke lost in translation. On the 6N rivals thread you didn't see any evidence that Gwlad was a WUM and the English fans claimed you were missing it. Well I was just jesting that Cyril was doing the same yesterday. :

It all stems from ridiculous decisions given on the pitch that infuriate fans. Sam Underhill brushed Jonny sexton when he kicked to touch and he feigned injury to gain a penalty. If the players themselves don't have act 'in the spirit of the game' why should the fans

True Raven wrote:It all stems from ridiculous decisions given on the pitch that infuriate fans.  Sam Underhill brushed Jonny sexton when he kicked to touch and he feigned injury to gain a penalty.  If the players themselves don't have act 'in the spirit of the game' why should the fans

Ah here, he took him late. There wasn't much in it bar some over eagerness but that doesn't mean its not a penalty.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I've seen you say it's prevalent though. I've been at one of two Dragons matches this season, where it has been chanted and told people to stop it but it's a minority. It isn't widespread or commonplace as you seem to suggest. It has been in three of the pro team games this season.

Despite this occasional behaviour, I don't believe we've ever been accused of racism or had a player enter our support to issue his brand of justice. It was a fairly interesting read of an Ulster rugby forum for the allegation of Aled Brew being racially abused. Is there really much difference between chanting at players things like dodgy kicker (when they probably were not overall) and chanting some moronic chant at a ref? I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

You seem to have taken what I have said rather personally to resort to such childish mud slinging. Actually there have been more than 3 occasions this season where these chants have happened and so I used the term "prevalent" to highlight this. It has been frequent, and this only includes the Irish teams playing away to Wales that I have seen. I don't like it and I would prefer it didn't happen, which is a fair statement. I'm not suggesting that every Welsh fan does it (obviously, this shouldn't even need to be stated) but it is something creeping into the game.

What the Ulster forum has to do with this I have no idea. Besides, every supporter's forum I have seen tend to be as tribal and viscous. Again, I wish this were not the case (I stay clear of such places) but like I said it has nothing to do with these games or this topic.

Edit: I should also stress that the reason the "cheat" chanting is more sinister is because there seems to be a legimate group of "fans"accusing the Pro 12 and officials of intentional bias. Chunky has already perfectly alluded to this above and numerous other times. Sure, he can tell you the real reason the chants exist.

There's no childish mud slinging and supporters' behaviour is very relevant.

I'm surprised I've not seen mention of these other games previously, especially as you dislike it so much. I only know of Dragons v Ulster and apparently Ospreys v Leinster. I thought the third game I mentioned might've been Dragons v Blues, but all I can find about it is me saying how embarrassing the chant is when people were accusing the ref of being biased on the Dragons supporters FB page. So two definite games. Maybe you can tell me what other games there have been some, because I am not convinced.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

...Except I don't try and derail threads and go out of my way to antagonise others. Nor do I have a twisted agenda against a certain group of fans.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I've seen you say it's prevalent though. I've been at one of two Dragons matches this season, where it has been chanted and told people to stop it but it's a minority. It isn't widespread or commonplace as you seem to suggest. It has been in three of the pro team games this season.

Despite this occasional behaviour, I don't believe we've ever been accused of racism or had a player enter our support to issue his brand of justice. It was a fairly interesting read of an Ulster rugby forum for the allegation of Aled Brew being racially abused. Is there really much difference between chanting at players things like dodgy kicker (when they probably were not overall) and chanting some moronic chant at a ref? I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

You seem to have taken what I have said rather personally to resort to such childish mud slinging. Actually there have been more than 3 occasions this season where these chants have happened and so I used the term "prevalent" to highlight this. It has been frequent, and this only includes the Irish teams playing away to Wales that I have seen. I don't like it and I would prefer it didn't happen, which is a fair statement. I'm not suggesting that every Welsh fan does it (obviously, this shouldn't even need to be stated) but it is something creeping into the game.

What the Ulster forum has to do with this I have no idea. Besides, every supporter's forum I have seen tend to be as tribal and viscous. Again, I wish this were not the case (I stay clear of such places) but like I said it has nothing to do with these games or this topic.

Edit: I should also stress that the reason the "cheat" chanting is more sinister is because there seems to be a legimate group of "fans"accusing the Pro 12 and officials of intentional bias. Chunky has already perfectly alluded to this above and numerous other times. Sure, he can tell you the real reason the chants exist.

There's no childish mud slinging and supporters' behaviour is very relevant.

I'm surprised I've not seen mention of these other games previously, especially as you dislike it so much. I only know of Dragons v Ulster and apparently Ospreys v Leinster. I thought the third game I mentioned might've been Dragons v Blues, but all I can find about it is me saying how embarrassing the chant is when people were accusing the ref of being biased on the Dragons supporters FB page and I don't recall hearing it on tv. So two definite games. Maybe you can tell me what other games there have been some, because I am not convinced.

Let me just say, I don't like the cheat chant and have never used it, it was started in this game by the fans on the opposite stand when a scrum was deliberately wheeled by Leinster and a penalty was awarded to them, when it should have been to us, from that penalty there was a lineout that was knocked on by Leinster and resulted in a scrum to us, which then seen a penalty given to us for exactly the same reason as the previous one but was a lot more blatant. Let me also add previous to those 2 scrums, there was a previous scrum that we were shoving Leinster backwards and instead of leaving the ball in and getting either a penalty try or a pushover try, Baker picked the ball out and it was taken along the line and our young centre was held up, resulting in the first scrum I mentioned.
Wilkinson was conned and the crowd started the cheat chant, not nice and something I don't like to see, but what else is there for the crowd to do to show their displeasure at a blatant wrong decision?

Risca Rev wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:I've seen you say it's prevalent though. I've been at one of two Dragons matches this season, where it has been chanted and told people to stop it but it's a minority. It isn't widespread or commonplace as you seem to suggest. It has been in three of the pro team games this season.

Despite this occasional behaviour, I don't believe we've ever been accused of racism or had a player enter our support to issue his brand of justice. It was a fairly interesting read of an Ulster rugby forum for the allegation of Aled Brew being racially abused. Is there really much difference between chanting at players things like dodgy kicker (when they probably were not overall) and chanting some moronic chant at a ref? I've also seen posts on Dragons forum of drunken Ulster fans misbehaving in Rodney Hall. Should I then tar all Ulster supporters because of a minority?

The thing that I speak up about is the generalisations and/or words like prevalent. It isn't prevalent, they're rare occurrences. They're not great, but I'm sure any team in the world has their "characters"

You seem to have taken what I have said rather personally to resort to such childish mud slinging. Actually there have been more than 3 occasions this season where these chants have happened and so I used the term "prevalent" to highlight this. It has been frequent, and this only includes the Irish teams playing away to Wales that I have seen. I don't like it and I would prefer it didn't happen, which is a fair statement. I'm not suggesting that every Welsh fan does it (obviously, this shouldn't even need to be stated) but it is something creeping into the game.

What the Ulster forum has to do with this I have no idea. Besides, every supporter's forum I have seen tend to be as tribal and viscous. Again, I wish this were not the case (I stay clear of such places) but like I said it has nothing to do with these games or this topic.

Edit: I should also stress that the reason the "cheat" chanting is more sinister is because there seems to be a legimate group of "fans"accusing the Pro 12 and officials of intentional bias. Chunky has already perfectly alluded to this above and numerous other times. Sure, he can tell you the real reason the chants exist.

There's no childish mud slinging and supporters' behaviour is very relevant.

I'm surprised I've not seen mention of these other games previously, especially as you dislike it so much. I only know of Dragons v Ulster and apparently Ospreys v Leinster. I thought the third game I mentioned might've been Dragons v Blues, but all I can find about it is me saying how embarrassing the chant is when people were accusing the ref of being biased on the Dragons supporters FB page. So two definite games. Maybe you can tell me what other games there have been some, because I am not convinced.

No, the Ulster forum or the mention of the Aled Brew situation from years ago is totally irrelevant to the chanting that happened in this game and other games this season. This is a clear defensive response to deflect the argument. As for why I am talking about it now, I actually stayed silent because I knew it would bring in a few defiant Welsh fans accusing me of hypocrisy etc. Lo and behold.

I'm not able to tell you the exact games where this has happened but I have only watched the Irish provinces playing against the Welsh regions so if you want to look yourself I would start there.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

...Except I don't try and derail threads and go out of my way to antagonise others. Nor do I have a twisted agenda against a certain group of fans.

Your decision to ignore my posts didn't even last 24 hours. Good job.

"Nor do I have a twisted agenda against a certain group of fans."