6N 2016: England v Wales, 12 March

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Seagultaf wrote:

True Raven wrote:Also the decision where foxy got tackled and the ball squirted out to north who had a run in.  To me it looked like an England defender knocked it backwards out of foxys grasp.  It mirrored the Liam Williams tackle in mike brown where he went to the tmo to see if it was a knock on or not.  Why not check both incidents though?

And north from the photos clearly got the ball away before he was out

That's what I Thought also. Not sure who caught the ball when North flicked it in field but he looked clean through on the try line. Very big descision!

Rees Webb!

Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

TJ wrote:

thomh wrote:

TJ wrote:

Griff wrote:

Breadvan wrote:Surprised Wales were so abject until the charge down and Cole binning. Eng should've been 25 up and ht, we have to more clinical with the try line begging if England are going to compete with the SH. Thought jounbert was OK but a few 50/50s went our way. Supriesd Francis stayed on given the irb directive of contact in the eye area, although it was unintentional IMO.  The last 10 mins was torture but fair play to Wales for the spirited fight back.

He seems to make contact with the nose. Gave it a right twang! Maybe that's why they were lenient (I.e. Nose rather than eyes)?

They only had one camera angle and it was not clear what contact if any of significance was made so they simply gave the penalty and then leave it to the citing officer - how long do you want them to deliberate during a match?

The TMO was satisfied there was contact and that it was reckless. He just wasn't sure as to the degree of intention.

As I understand it, recklessness is sufficient for a red card and lengthy ban, so he should have gone off.

Reckless is yellow.  Deliberate is red usually but not always

Nonsense. Ashton got a 10 week ban for reckless.

Intentional contact in or around the eye area is a 6 month + ban. I suggest it's not always a red card offence is absurd.

To the English supporters that Mrs EJ and I met in the pub last night can we say many,many thanks for your hospitality and very good humour.Bit of a headache this morning so only just seen a replay of the game.Afraid it looks worse today on TV than it did at Twickers yesterday.We were shocking in so many facets of play.Mrs EJ wondered whether all is not OK in the Welsh camp because to criticise your players publicly is not really the best way to energise the team.The players do not have that luxury.We'll be in Cardiff for Italy but we really want to see several changes in personnel and a will to play entertaining rugby.Some vestige of hope before England(again) and the NZ tour would be welcomed.

Wow EJ I had forgotten the June game, though not really sure its what we all need.

I imagine there will be some significant personnel changes.

Correction, the next game is 29th May, the day after the Aviva final.

I think we might be 6 nations Champions very soon.


Great turn around from the RWC.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

We'll never know because the ref screwed it up, as he did shoulder barges by Billy and Manu which went unpunished but apparently it is Lydiate who we all need to watch  

Marler bored in all day and when he wasn't racially slurring he was short arming people, and to cap it off when Francis caught someone's nose - related to the ref by TMO as contact to the 'face'- the ref says 'contact near the eyes' TMO didnt mention the eyes at all.

Still, Wales played worse rugby than i have ever seen, any team would have won that first half, and England were soundly beaten in the 2nd. Had there been even a couple more minutes, or had the ref called North in correctly, Wales would have repeated their glorious win in the RWC.

Gracious as ever, Gwlad. Chin up, son.

oh and i forgot, Allez les Bleus

Scotland have won, does that mean England are 6n champions now?

Oh yes.

Eddie Jones just said Robshaw has been the standout England player of the tournament

BamBam wrote:Eddie Jones just said Robshaw has been the standout England player of the tournament

i think Eddie is having a little RWC joke

BamBam wrote:Eddie Jones just said Robshaw has been the standout England player of the rtournament

I agree, he was under huge pressure for his place in he squad and he responded, when he went off yesterday Wales made progress as Robshaw wasn't there to slow the ball down.

Robshaw has been excellent though. Doing all the nitty gritty stuff.

His position will be challenged soon, bit at the moment he is earning that spot. Let others do the flashy stuff.

Well, ...is this the thread to say Congrats to England? It ain't but I will anyway. Well deserved. (I know Ruby will look for royalties from me for that cheeky stroke.... I'll give him a false name and address to send the legal letter to and all will be fine)

BamBam wrote:Eddie Jones just said Robshaw has been the standout England player of the tournament

Really?

I think Jones has done a little too much celebrating post the Wales win. There's been numerous players I'd have ahead of Robshaw who probably had his best game yesterday but still wasn't the best English player on the park.

I fully expect Robshaw to lose his place this summer.

Gwlad wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

We'll never know because the ref screwed it up, as he did shoulder barges by Billy and Manu which went unpunished but apparently it is Lydiate who we all need to watch  

Marler bored in all day and when he wasn't racially slurring he was short arming people, and to cap it off when Francis caught someone's nose - related to the ref by TMO as contact to the 'face'- the ref says 'contact near the eyes' TMO didnt mention the eyes at all.

Still, Wales played worse rugby than i have ever seen, any team would have won that first half, and England were soundly beaten in the 2nd. Had there been even a couple more minutes, or had the ref called North in correctly, Wales would have repeated their glorious win in the RWC.

ah yes - the inevitable " we was robbed by a biased Ref" nonsense - why do you continue to do this? Wales were second bast by a long way, to this neutral the refs decisions had little influence, could have been more pens and cards against Welsh players as well but you don't see those out of your one eye do you

are Wales ever fairly beaten?

Numpty

Gwlad wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

We'll never know because the ref screwed it up

The assistant referee flagged that North was in touch. If you're going to blame an official, at least blame the right one.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

We'll never know because the ref screwed it up

The assistant referee flagged that North was in touch. If you're going to blame an official, at least blame the right one.

The ref is ultimately responsible for what happens on the pitch.

Oh, and congratulations, England. Easily the better side over the 80 minutes.

Gwlad wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Dear Lord I'm sick of hearing about the north thing.

Yes he wasn't in touch. But people who keep saying Webb was clear through to score a certain try forget the large shadow of Maro Itoje who was ready and positioned perfectly to smash him out of the stadium.

It wouldn't have been a try!

We'll never know because the ref screwed it up

The assistant referee flagged that North was in touch. If you're going to blame an official, at least blame the right one.

The ref is ultimately responsible for what happens on the pitch.

I repeat:

Or in this case "off the pitch"

Give it up Gwlad, your making the Welsh nation embarrassed.

Don't know why he is still here, people have been banned for doing less in the past.

We all know the ref is very poor as was demonstrated in the Aus Scots game. England took full advantage of this. Its a pity because they played some good rugby but Wales didn't show up and i repeat anyone would have beaten us in the first half. in the 2nd we smashed England towards the end but unlike in RWC just didnt have enough time, or opportunity due to North being incorrectly judged to be in touch, to get the final score we , inevitably, would have got.

Whinge whinge whinge.....

Wales didn't lose because of the officiating. They lost because they took 60mins to turn up and start playing. Any half decent Welsh fan should be able to understand this(and they have of another thread).

Can people not just accept that the better team won on the day, I'm starting to get embarrassed for you.

Sometimes it's easier to step away and maybe not post for a week or so, it'll save you from looking so sad and bitter.

Fair play to the majority of the Welsh fans on here, they really make it hard to gloat(and I want to sooooo much )

Gwlad wrote:We all know the ref is very poor... in the 2nd we smashed England towards the end

Due to England having a player in the bin, thanks to this dreadful referee, who apparently is also to blame for his assistant's mistakes.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Robshaw has been excellent though. Doing all the nitty gritty stuff.

His position will be challenged soon, bit at the moment he is earning that spot. Let others do the flashy stuff.

If Eddie means what Tom Wood said he wants in a six, it's all about work rate. Taking that with picking Robshaw as his outstanding performer, that challenge might be a bit longer coming than we'd have thought at the start of the tournament.

There are plenty of 6s who carry harder and tackle more destructively, but very few who can sustain a higher work rate or follow the precise job description they'll get each week more accurately. With Itoje settled in the second row, Ewers is the obvious challenger and needs to be given a shot if he stays fit to the end of the season - though Eddie is likely to phase him in slowly as he's done with the other new players.

TightHEAD wrote:Don't know why he is still here, people have been banned for doing less in the past.

Report him and keep on reporting him Or as I have done add him to foes reporting him makes the mods pay attention

Jones is just regretting making a monkey out of an honest player by making the change of Captaincy a public dressing down.

Robshaw provides the foundations which let other players do their thing. As such he is most noticeable when he isn't there.

Are we seeing the demise of Welsh rugby? England completely out played them. They are only a short way from being quite ordinary. If they lose one or two key players they've had it. A bit like Ireland really. Losing bod and poc has effectively killed them.

englandglory4ever? Completely outplayed them? Maybe in the first half - yes. But rugby has two (says Ireland and Wales with relief)

Wales are nothing without Gethin and 1/2p.

Secret I get your drift but surely the eye-gouger should have been sent off then it was 14 v 14. The ref bottled it.

England are nothing without Cuthbert on their side

Yes, and I've already said that it should have ended a 14 by 14 man game. But I still think Wales had all the fire in that second half, (well the meaningful portion of it) - and were really making England worry.

I think Wales are doing okay. Yes, there are players becoming long in the tooth to a degree - in terms of relative experience/years to other sides - but there are continually exciting players emerging that always grow a few inches higher still under Gatland and his coaches. They won't be an easy side anytime soon.

Gwlad wrote:

Marler bored in all day and when he wasn't racially slurring he was short arming people, and to cap it off when Francis caught someone's nose - related to the ref by TMO as contact to the 'face'- the ref says 'contact near the eyes' TMO didnt mention the eyes at all.

Cole was rubbing his eyes as he left the field. In commentary Shane Williams said he scratched his noes but it is clearly his eyes from the replay. It was a clear red.

Anyway it matters not. England won and are champions. Francis will get a very long ban. If Ashton got ten weeks fairness would mean Francis gets sixteen weeks.

Exiledinborders wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Marler bored in all day and when he wasn't racially slurring he was short arming people, and to cap it off when Francis caught someone's nose - related to the ref by TMO as contact to the 'face'- the ref says 'contact near the eyes' TMO didnt mention the eyes at all.

Cole was rubbing his eyes as he left the field. In commentary Shane Williams said he scratched his noes but it is clearly his eyes from the replay. It was a clear red.

Anyway it matters not. England won and are champions. Francis will get a very long ban. If Ashton got ten weeks fairness would mean Francis gets sixteen weeks.

What of Marler, what should he get? For the short arm and the remark?

But he has already said sorry to Lee and that is the end of the matter

Remark should be 4 weeks I think. That's the lower entry level and I think it's lower end for using a racial slur? Not sure what would be lower entry if not. Strike would be about 2 weeks. So 6 weeks in all. Unless they want to and a message.

HammerofThunor wrote:Remark should be 4 weeks I think. That's the lower entry level and I think it's lower end for using a racial slur? Not sure what would be lower entry if not. Strike would be about 2 weeks. So 6 weeks in all. Unless they want to and a message.

Whats his previous record like? I would hope he gets more than that myself. I cannot stand racists.

SecretFly wrote:Yes, and I've already said that it should have ended a 14 by 14 man game.  But I still think Wales had all the fire in that second half, (well the meaningful portion of it) - and were really making England worry.

I think Wales are doing okay.  Yes, there are players becoming long in the tooth to a degree - in terms of relative experience/years to other sides - but there are continually exciting players emerging that always grow a few inches higher still under Gatland and his coaches.  They won't be an easy side anytime soon.

Your second paragraph is beyond cycloptic.Sorry,but it is.

????

Explain, as my one eye fails to see where?

Marler and Francis will both be missing for a fair few weeks hopefully.

I would bet Marler won't miss any time. We'll see.

mikey_dragon wrote:Hmm, like I said North wasn't touch: http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/14958246/england-show-how-far-come-six-nations-how-far-to-go
And the try that got disallowed was a clear try, that clearly went backwards off an England player. Just two of many lucky decisions to go England's way that afternoon, like all the lucky decisions with England not driving straight at the scrum, being offside, and lying all over the breakdown all game. Fair play to England for doing their homework on the amateur Joubert.

mikey_dragon wrote:Just sums up England 16th and now 17th man for the evening. Well done England.

mikey_dragon wrote:Wow England's 16th man is on fire today

mikey_dragon wrote:Well done England and Joubert.

mikey_dragon wrote:Well it looks as if England will win, especially with their 16th man, but you won't get any complaints from me

Mikey from February

mikey_dragon wrote:Where-as we're all tired of anti-welsh sentiment. It's not coincidence that a few posters happen to be mentioning it. It's also not coincidence that the team who mostly gets mentioned in the context of articles like this is Wales, a sentiment that happens to follow all Wales fixtures. There's clear whinging at what Wales apparently cheated and got away with in the OP and we have to put up with reading it after every game.

Gwlad wrote:

Exiledinborders wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

Marler bored in all day and when he wasn't racially slurring he was short arming people, and to cap it off when Francis caught someone's nose - related to the ref by TMO as contact to the 'face'- the ref says 'contact near the eyes' TMO didnt mention the eyes at all.

Cole was rubbing his eyes as he left the field. In commentary Shane Williams said he scratched his noes but it is clearly his eyes from the replay. It was a clear red.

Anyway it matters not. England won and are champions. Francis will get a very long ban. If Ashton got ten weeks fairness would mean Francis gets sixteen weeks.

What of Marler, what should he get? For the short arm and the remark?

For the short arm very little. For the remark he will get something like a month I suspect.