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Post by Fluxy Sat 13 Aug 2016, 2:13 pm

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Breaking News: Newcastle Falcons continue to chase down leaders Sale Sharks, whilst Wasps defeat Tigers to climb away from the relegation battle.



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2015/2016 - Sale Sharks
2014/2015 – London Wasps
2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers 
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons 
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons 
2009/2010 – Saracens 
2008/2009 - London Irish





                                           
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Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Fluxy) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (Fluxy) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1994. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made by sending a PM to the RFU (Fluxy) and it will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.

    Round Bidding 

    Open Bidding


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result. To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. £2m for 5 games, £1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: £8m
Runners Up: £6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: £5m
5th: £4m
6th: £3.5m
7th: £3m
8th: £2.5m
9th: £2m
10th: £1.5m
11th: £1m
12th: £0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (Fluxy) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Sun 30 Oct 2016, 11:04 am

Figallo has been excellent for Sarries this year, I never realised how much work he did at the breakdown. Him, Mako and George make some front row, add in the impact of Brits from the bench and so tough to beat.

Have Morgan and Kvesvic both signed for Chiefs? Gloucester seem to be in a huge crisis, their recruitment has been awful and I can't understand why they don't play Hook at no10 - he's surely your best option by a distance.

Moriaty has looked good, quite like the look of Rowan when he's been given a chance as well.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 30 Oct 2016, 11:08 am

George is an excellent scrummager, you can see the difference the Sarries set piece when he goes off. I'd be starting him against SA with Hartley struggling for fitness.

Lawes looks like he's out of SA game, I can't believe how many injuries we're getting.

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Post by Guest Sun 30 Oct 2016, 1:03 pm

Morgan to tigers. Kvesic to Exeter with Salvi Moving to
France to either clermont or Toulouse according to rugby paper

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 30 Oct 2016, 1:38 pm

Pooly, it's 7 that worries me. I'm more and more inclined to go Hughes at 7 and hope Robshaw and Launchbury can work their socks off to make up for his workrate
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 30 Oct 2016, 1:41 pm

anonmattyt wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Just need to pick your team attributes which is new Pull. 2 defensive and 2 attacking.

That's the difference. As a point does anyone take notice of these attributes ?

Personally I look at tactics but many say they don't do it's not a science.


Great to see Figallo back to his best. Still young for
A TH and taken ages to get back. No other club would have shown the patience.
Saracens get everything right. McCall must be some man:

Glos confirmed hook, Morgan Kvesic gone. Moriarty also in talks with French teams and Welsh ones. Been our best player all year by a distance with Scott also outstanding.

Moriarty young and a potential lion so think he will sign for Welsh club rather than French
I always note the attributes. But then for me tactical set up (and the match up of units) trumps players, as I think that often represents real life better!

Gloucester seem in real trouble, it's a shame, I remember being excited back in the days of the Lamb, Allen, JSD, Morgan backline
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Post by dammit_chris Sun 30 Oct 2016, 2:34 pm

CJ - I think Jones will end up pushing Robshaw back to no7 and then either going with Hughes or Beaumont at no6 - I'm not sure if Beaumont has ever played there though?

But in his interviews it sounds as though none of the 6 incapped players are going to feature from the start against SA. Just don't think the Wood/Robshaw has ever worked and I'm completely unconvinced with Harrison at this level.

Hopefully our second and backrowers can escaped unhurt in today's matches. Do you think we can get 4 out of 4 wins?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 30 Oct 2016, 3:13 pm

Apparently Beaumont is in as a 2nd rower

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Post by Guest Sun 30 Oct 2016, 3:43 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Apparently Beaumont is in as a 2nd rower

Yes Jones
Says Beaumont is a second row full stop.

He has played there a lot. The first few years he played for flyde against us at
Cinderford he was a lock.

Re England backrow. Jones said no new caps would start.

Think it will be wood and rob Shaw. Hughes never played 7 so madness to try it vs Boks

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Post by stnick88 Sun 30 Oct 2016, 3:49 pm

Anyone see the Cokanasiga try? Quality stuff, he looks a star in the making.

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Post by Guest Sun 30 Oct 2016, 4:27 pm

Nick is he the big lad who played a few times last year? If so he looked a real physical threat

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Post by stnick88 Sun 30 Oct 2016, 4:36 pm

Yeh. He ran through five scottish defenders from his own 22 to score.

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Post by Guest Sun 30 Oct 2016, 5:26 pm

Always a good
Read. He is utterly peerless in his take on rugby http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/10/30/australia-south-africa-and-argentina-will-struggle-in-northern-h/

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 30 Oct 2016, 7:17 pm

He looks v good Nick, imagine a year in the Championship is exactly what he needs to develop, similar to some of the Quins youngsters a few years back.

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Post by pullthestrings Mon 31 Oct 2016, 10:11 am


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Post by Fluxy Mon 31 Oct 2016, 10:42 am

Good man Pull!

Boys just a bit buried at the minute. Bear with results and next weeks thread, still need to work out the pools.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 31 Oct 2016, 6:30 pm

Would you like help with the LV Cup, mate?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 01 Nov 2016, 6:29 am

Interesting article on Ardie Savea and why he's struggled to make an impact at Int level.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11739944

Pretty much what I've said for 2 years now. He's great in the backs but lacks physicality at the breakdown to make the next level.

Adding 7kg would be a big ask but could allow him to step up. Problem is he could lose some of his impact out wide which takes away his main strength.

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Post by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2016, 6:56 am

I agree with the article
Where it says he has played well at
International level and that he needs to add 3-5 kg.

Also agree with the part where they say Hansen is managing his game time as he does not
Want to burn out a superb youngster. All blacks great at managing players


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 01 Nov 2016, 7:14 am

Where does it say he played well?

It says his link play and being an extra back is a big positive but he's getting knocked off the ball etc in defence?? Things I've been saying will hinder him at the higher level.

He could be a good Int if he fixes these issues though, very early for the lad.

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Post by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2016, 8:13 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Where does it say he played well?

It says his link play and being an extra back is a big positive but he's getting knocked off the ball etc in defence?? Things I've been saying will hinder him at the higher level.

He could be a good Int if he fixes these issues though, very early for the lad.

In your article " When he has started, he's played well"

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Post by Guest Tue 01 Nov 2016, 8:17 am

The NZ herald like kiwis is obsessed with rugby. Produces reams of articles on players in every minutiae.

Some of their stuff is fantastic. When NZ lose the herald crucifies
Them and gives them all zero.

Did you see this one the other day re barret being the worst kicker in test rugby

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11736133

If you ever go to India they are similarly obsessive over cricket.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 01 Nov 2016, 8:34 am

"When he has started, he's played well but struggled just a bit to impose himself over the ball and knock ball runners back in the tackle."

I missed that but the whole sentence sums it up better.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 01 Nov 2016, 5:05 pm

The table should be up to date OK

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Post by Guest Wed 02 Nov 2016, 12:33 am

anonmattyt wrote:The NZ herald like kiwis is obsessed with rugby. Produces reams of articles on players in every minutiae.

Some of their stuff is fantastic. When NZ lose the herald crucifies
Them and gives them all zero.

Did you see this one the other day re barret being the worst kicker in test rugby

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11736133

If you ever go to India they are similarly obsessive over cricket.

One thing I meant to say about
This is that this is using stats properly.
It's not just kicking percentage which is rot as if you are a kicker who attempts long kicks that are 50/50 then you are penalised.

It weights it cleverly with difficulty of shots etc.
More stats like this needed.

Barret not kicked one over 30m is poor. Be interesting if their is kick out of
Hands similar style stats.
Barrets tactical kicking was great and really improved. Foley kicking game poor. These stats should also be weighted with other contributions as Barrett one of NZ best attavkers
In rc and kicking aside was great.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Thu 03 Nov 2016, 3:07 pm

I see 1) Godwin is in the Aussie touring squad! And 
2) Croft is back on the bench for Leicester
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:02 am

Akira Ioane immense for the Maori
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Nov 2016, 3:33 pm

What an awful half of rugby from Wales

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Nov 2016, 4:10 pm

Bit better. Welsh replacement front row are smashing the Australian scrum.

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Post by Guest Sat 05 Nov 2016, 6:24 pm

Fair ratings for Welsh.

Moriarty and tips only half Decent players. North been best outside back in NH this season and had worst game in Wales shirt.

first half Wales could not get the ball and when they did have it Aussie line speed tremendous

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/horrendous-wales-player-ratings-jamie-12132897.amp?client=safari

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Nov 2016, 6:33 pm

Moriarty was poor as was the rest of the pack. Webb was decent but nobody else came out with much credit. WOL is a joke tbh.

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Post by Guest Sat 05 Nov 2016, 7:56 pm

Telegraph agrees.
Come on Moriarty Was wales best by a bit.you
Have to admit it ?

Webb solid and for me lions 9 if on form

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/11/05/wales-vs-australia-player-ratings-which-wales-player-warranted-a/ross-moriarty/

Here is the link

Foley was great against a poor Welsh team:
Aussies last 2 games promising. Game at hq will be tasty

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 06 Nov 2016, 3:44 am

I really don't know what you watched if you thought Moriarty was Wales best player Matt, I'm just not seeing his contribution to games. Tips was arguably the best forward but that's not saying much.

I think we're better agreeing to disagree on Moriarty.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 06 Nov 2016, 5:01 am

Cracking win for Ireland!

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 06 Nov 2016, 9:00 am

There was a lot of negativity about Kearney being picked at fullback but that was his best game for club or country in years. Sexton & Murray outplayed their opposite numbers and put markers down for the Lions. CJ Stander was immense. Henshaw went well in midfield and Zebo was superb.

Said it in the summer that the change in defence under Farrell was noticeable. Even further along now with a few more months under his belt. The old passive drift outside of the 22 seems to be gone.

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Nov 2016, 9:07 am

Ireland were sensational and the game was an utter classic.
I rarely cheer for Ireland as don't like them but that had me screaming at the tv

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Nov 2016, 9:08 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I really don't know what you watched if you thought Moriarty was Wales best player Matt, I'm just not seeing his contribution to games. Tips was arguably the best forward but that's not saying much.

I think we're better agreeing to disagree on Moriarty.

I watched the same game every paper and pundit watched. Maybe you had football on lol

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 06 Nov 2016, 9:28 am

There wasn't a single welsh player who deserved any credit from that game. All were outplayed really so don't see the need for point scoring over it. 

Talking of the Aus-Wales game good to see Foley picking up some form in his last few appearances Whistle

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 06 Nov 2016, 10:06 am

The old "every paper and pundit" comment.....not seen that for a while Wink

How you can suggest anyone was a standout in that Welsh performance, especially Moriarty is completely beyond me.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 06 Nov 2016, 10:10 am

To be fair to Moriarty though, he's a long way from an International quality 8.

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Nov 2016, 10:13 am

Stander has been great in international
Rugby since starting. Irish backrow were excellent
And Murray also a standout

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Post by Guest Sun 06 Nov 2016, 10:18 am

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:There wasn't a single welsh player who deserved any credit from that game. All were outplayed really so don't see the need for point scoring over it. 

Talking of the Aus-Wales game good to see Foley picking up some form in his last few appearances Whistle

Foley has a great attacking game and went well
Last 2 games after a poor season.

If he sorts his kicking he is a tidy player

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 06 Nov 2016, 4:15 pm

All Blacks seemed very weak there. Stander, Murray and Sexton all looked brilliant and great to see Kearney back on form with that performance too.

They really disrupted Cane's influence, who you can definitely get at when you go at him with a lot of physicality. Be interesting to see if they can repeat the performance when they have their first choice second row in.

Surprised that Baa Baas drew with SA too, seem to be a team in a lot of trouble. Argentina looked very good against Japan, can see them getting a scalp this Autumn (most likely Wales, sorry Prop!).

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 07 Nov 2016, 12:44 am

Does anyone have Rees Hodge yet?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 07 Nov 2016, 7:24 am

Don't think so mate, he's looked handy.

I won't be able to do sheets for a few weeks Flux, got too much on at the minute.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 07 Nov 2016, 7:41 am

I do CJ signed him in the summer thumbsup

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Post by Fluxy Mon 07 Nov 2016, 9:26 am

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:I do CJ signed him in the summer thumbsup

I regret not trying to snap him up earlier now!

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Post by BamBam Mon 07 Nov 2016, 1:22 pm

Budgets updated

Let me know if you think there are errors!

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 07 Nov 2016, 2:42 pm

Very much a top 5 and then all the rest in our league this season!
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Post by Fluxy Mon 07 Nov 2016, 2:45 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Very much a top 5 and then all the rest in our league this season!

You say that mate, but Bam and Pooly have brought Sarries and Falcons up and Tigers and (matt may not agree) Gloucester have dropped a little as of the past few seasons. It's not impossible to move up and down!

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