Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[pedro]

First topic message reminder :

Corbyn I guess.

[beninho]

I do think gimme shelter is better than almost all beatles songs. Though the problem there is that you start remembering the superb beatles songs, eleanor rigby just cones to me. The kinks are my mums favourite im a bit meh with them. Been listening to some old jamiroqui, superb!

[super_realist]

There's a few good Beatles songs, but there are few bands that are feted so sycophantically, there was a lot of good bands back then. The Beatles are terribly over-rated. They've some truly awful song
s like Octopus Garden, I am the Walrus, Yellow Submarine, Maxwell's Silver Hammer.


On another note, Fat Sam has resigned after only 5 months. Can't imagine he'll be getting many better offers than Palace.

[Diggers]

Under rating or over rating a band is purely subjective. If it was objective then you'd have to go by success...in which case the Beatles did very well.
They had some shockers, over 10 years who wouldn't. I could list 30-40 excellent songs, I don't think I can do that personally for anyone else. And I'd say 3 of their songs make my all time top 20. And I'm not even that big a Beatles fan.
Completely agree re Fat Sam though.

[pedro]

Why should Fat Sam take another job, if offered? I'd rather enjoy my £5m  than managing second drawer teams like Palace and England.. it seems he finally sobered up and did the right thing..

And as Marcellus Wallace said to Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction when talking about pride: who gives a sh!t about pride when you're kickin' it in the Caribbbean..

[Diggers]

I'd agree Pedro, if I didn't think Fat Sam has an ego the size of a manager...well the size of a manager who had actually won anything.
I think rating football managers is possible, and Sam is a mid table manager who talks and acts like he is top drawer.

[super_realist]

Fat Sam will probably surface again in 6 months time when some other deadbeat club he hasn't been at before is facing relegation.

[beninho]

I think sam usef the palace job as a fk you after the england debacle. And he showed what he could do. I still think the england sacking was ridiculous and over the top. Will he get another job? Depends if he wants one. He would walk into one if a team has a bad start next season. He would probably get the Sunderland job if he fancied it tomorrow, god knows why he would want that though!!

All time top 20 somgs like top 10 films changes on a daily basis. Albums aswell, one my son grows up he wont have a clue what an album is or a cd! I always have Ryan Adams Gold near the top though!

[super_realist]

Showed what he could do? What was that exactly? That he's a mediocre manager of mediocre teams, that he'll never win anything? Yeah, he only showed England what they'd hired in the first place, just another manager who wouldn't achieve a thing with England.

Hardly an EFF YOU is it?

[beninho]

The thing with big sam is thst he is a good manager, he plays half decent football though a bit pragmatic and gets the best out of his players. Could have achieved more but never got the chance. In terms of premier league managers I would rank him inside the top 10. Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Conte, Klopp, Potchetino, Sam, Koeman, pulis, Puel, Dyche, Hughes, Howe, bilic, Solva, Clement, shakespeare. Left the teams without managers

[super_realist]

What do you mean he never got the chance? He was never likely to get a top job.

Fat Sam never really achieved much of note since Bolton, and that was ever such a long time ago.

[Diggers]

I don't really see the half decent football personally. Certainly wasn't evident at Sunderland. I'd say efficient at best, he's a decent organiser. Which is fair enough, just don't big yourself up, which he's always done.
That Palace side is way better than the teams below it, had what he did there change the opinion of most on his career...or more importantly what an utter greedy tool he is...can't see it myself.
Can't stand the bloke.

[westisbest]

Always liked Roger Moore, self deprecating and funny. Reached a right old age so it's not a surprise.

Best Bond for me.

[Diggers]

Totally going back on my view of what should or shouldn't be overrated - the Bond films are definitely over rated!
Only one I liked was George Lazenby, that said as a bloke thought Roger seemed a very suave and funny man.

[pedro]

Surely he has a massive ego but eventually reality hits. The man is 60+ and should be well aware he's a hasbeen and neverwillbe. Better to 'retire' than get stuck in mediocrity.
Then in a years time we'll see him resurface in Qatar or China on a one year 10m deal with some lame excuse of him missing the game despite him in fact having lost his money on gambling.

[pedro]

Always liked Roger Moore, self deprecating and funny. Reached a right old age so it's not a surprise.

Best Bond for me.

Moi aussi

[Diggers]

Surely he has a massive ego but eventually reality hits. The man is 60+ and should be well aware he's a hasbeen and neverwillbe. Better to 'retire' than get stuck in mediocrity.
Then in a years time we'll see him resurface in Qatar or China on a one year 10m deal with some lame excuse of him missing the game despite him in fact having lost his money on gambling.

One can only hope.

[super_realist]

Can't see the hype about Daniel Craig, seems like a crud Bond to me. Poor man's Bourne. Bond was best in the 60's and 70's because of the geopolitics. Doesn't really work for me now and that last Bond was atrocious.

[Diggers]

They basically made about 20 too many.

[pedro]

Craig is good. I was wary of him when he was first announcedbut think he has been excellent.
Yeah, agree withthe cold war thing and some of the modern plots are abit contrived. Still Casino Royale is one of the best Bond films imo.

[beninho]

I haven't seen the latest bond. I remember watching them as a kid, and think thats stuck with me, as I can still wat h them now and enjoy them. I liked Brosnan, he had the humour and was similar to moore. Craig is decent though, but it did just becone a bit like the bourne films, but with a better actor!

[beninho]

Jermain defoe, 3 year deal at £130k pw to Bournemouth. Holy Fk, that's absolutely ridiculous. They will be back down the leagues like Portsmouth soon.

[Roller_Coaster]

Allardyce is an excellent manager of scheize teams.

Yes, that palace team has (some) much better players than those around it, but where were they and how were they playing when he took over?

Sunderland were no better personnel-wise than they are now. Only now they are at their level, relegated.

A less Welsh Tony Pulis. He is probably at the pinnacle of the managerial tree for silk purses from sows ears in the top flight, poor teams surviving/getting to lower mid-table. Similarly, Neil Warnock is probably at the pinnacle of Championship management (at both ends of that league). That's their most effective level and they are the best at that level without seemingly being able to achieve at a higher level, but deserve no less respect for that. Horses for courses.

A final thought, Allardyce did better with Palace (and Sunderland) than Guardiola has with Citeh and he is (or was!) almost universally lauded as the best manager out there...

[Diggers]

Van Aanholt was easily our best player RC, so our personnel did suffer. Fair play to Fatty for getting him to Palace though.

[puligny]

I've heard it said that Allardyce was/is ahead of the pack in terms of sports science. Not necessarily what you would expect, but goes along with him rekindling some careers and extending the careers of quite a few players.

[super_realist]

He might be, but he doesn't seem to apply it very well as he has never achieved anything.
I knew someone who was friends with a guy who did a lot of Data Analysis at Blackburn, but it never did him any good.
data is only good if you can make sense of it. Perhaps he should have used some data in regards to his calorie intake.

[puligny]

For some clubs success is staying in the Prem and taking a few scalps, irrespective of their ambitions. I don't think Wenger would ever describe an Allardyce team as a pushover, and he brought some high quality players to Bolton in particular. Still I'm not one to defend the man.

[beninho]

Palace had 6 wins in 2016. They were the worse performing team in professional football with 26 points from 36 games and lost 8 out of 10 prem games before Pardew was sacked. They may have had some decent players but they were horrendous and heading down 15 points in 17 games.

He clearly did well turning them turned and getting the players performing. He is easy to knock, but he has proven over the years to be a good premier league manager.

[westisbest]

Ah Brosnan. Another great Bond.
Probably in the minority, but was never a fan of Connory.

[westisbest]

Bournemouth did well to finish 9th.
Think Defoe will be good again for them.
Be interesting to see how he and Bournemouth do next season.

[beninho]

He might be, but he doesn't seem to apply it very well as he has never achieved anything.
I knew someone who was friends with a guy who did a lot of Data Analysis at Blackburn, but it never did him any good.
data is only good if you can make sense of it. Perhaps he should have used some data in regards to his calorie intake.

Never achieved anything? Depends on what you mean by achieved, he took two teams into the premier league from the championship and kept them up. He managed pretty unspectacular teams and did a good job with them when an achievement was keeping them mid table or in the league.

I have no idea what he was expected to do with the clubs he managed apart from what he actually did. In fact I cant see any team in a better position then when he managed them.

[super_realist]

All the teams he managed are yo yo clubs. You can't say with certainty any of the positions the clubs he managed are in a worse position because Fat Sam isn't the manager anymore.

[raycastleunited]

Fat Sam has been a successful Premiership manager. He's done a very good job of keeping teams up and dragging them out of a relegation battle and into mid-table, often with modest funds. His approach in terms of playing style has always been pragmatic and based on the situation and the talents at his disposal. The owners of Blackburn, Bolton, Snderland, Palace etc would all rate him as successful. We can't really argue with any of that.

The question is what would Sam do with a mid-table club like Everton - would he bring them up to Champions League level? Or could he turn Liverpool or Arsenal into genuine title contenders? His argument is that he's never been given the chance, although there has to be a good reason why it's never happened for him.

Although Fat Sam for England was a bit sad - a terrible indictment of the state of the national team - he was probably the right man for the situation. England were the equivalent of a Villa or Newcastle from a couple of seasons ago: a big team living on past glories and heading the wrong way fast. So in this respect I wish he was still in the role, he'd get England to the world cup quarters in 2018 and buy some time for an alternatie to emerge. I would actually like to see Warnock as England manager for the next 12 months - that's the level we've sunk to and what we need.

[McLaren]

Ah Brosnan. Another great Bond.
Probably in the minority, but was never a fan of Connory.

As someone mentioned above Bond movies were great when you were a kid and so that is probably why Brosnan was in my favourite bond movies. I loved both the movie and the N64 game of Goldeneye. The Moore movies have always seemed a bit cheesy and with a way too creepy bond. I think you would probably have to be a lot younger than me to not think Roger moore had a touch of the dodgy uncles about him.

[McLaren]

Craig is decent though, but it did just becone a bit like the bourne films, but with a better actor!

Aren't the Bourne films what bond should have become and with a better actor?  I really like the first few Bourne movies, especially the first.

[I'm never wrong]

His argument is that he's never been given the chance, although there has to be a good reason why it's never happened for him.

Years before the Daily Telegraph sting, it was alleged that he was partial to a bung. Independent Newspaper report of BBC Panorama programme

[raycastleunited]

Difficult to compare Bond eras.

During the Moore era, the films became more absurd and so Moore acknowledged this by playing Bond as a bit more tongue in cheek, almost a bit Benny Hill at times. He remains my fave - probably because I grew up in the 80's.

Recent films have seen Daniel Craig try and portray Bond as a bit more realistic, or "gritty" as Roger Moore described it. That doesn't quite work when the basic premise of each film is unbelievable.

Brosnan was actually a really good Bond, but he suffers from the fact that his films were dreadful, easily the worst sequence of films, they really suffered from excessive product placement and lack of direction as the cold war ended.

[kwinigolfer]

Roger Moore will always be Simon Templar to me. Don't think too many people who read the Ian Fleming books and then grew up with Sean Connery on film would look much past Connery as best Bond.


Other thoughts on this thread:
~Always a matter of opinion about Beatles songs, but no doubt that they opened the door for everyone else, in GB&I anyway. Iconic, and deservedly so.

~Borderline moronic not to acknowledge the achievements of Allardyce at Bolton & Blackburn, and even Sunderland where I think he'd've done well if England hadn't come calling. One of my best friends is a long-time Palace season-ticket holder and he was apoplectic about the latter Pardew days there. So Sam must have something going for him, even if it's just tactical nous.
A pretty unlikeable bloke for all that.

[Diggers]

Far more of a Bourne fan, though the fight scenes are way OTT.
Roger Moore, for me my best memories are him as one half of the Persuaders, loved that program, always had a soft spot for Tony Curtis. They definitely jelled very well.

[JAS]

To be honest, I don't really see how politically the SNP have any choice but to campaign for a second referendum. IMO Brexit was a huge game changer, few things are big enough to warrant a second referendum so soon but Brexit fits the bill.
Their biggest problem is what comes after if they win...the uncertainty of where they might stand in the EU. But I genuinely don't think that's any greater uncertainty than that facing the UK, I don't think there is any form of coherent plan for withdrawal in place.
You said London isn't crying about Brexit Super, I disagree. Given the opportunity I could see people going for an independent London, but clearly there is no history to trigger that level of devolution.

London isn't crying anything like the SNP are. Mind you, they're a bit like UKIP in that they're a one issue party. They'll  gerrymander anything to give their agenda more scope.

They're hardly a one issue party like UKIP Super, they've been running Holyrood for the past few years, can't really imagine UKIP running Westminster can you?

On another note though I do find it a bit strange and somewhat contrived that they wish to belong to a more austere union than the one they are already part of and yet claim to be an anti austerity party. There is something in that equation that I really struggle to make sense of. Goodness me there's even an illustrated example of how an austere German led EU treats small left wing Socialist nations...yet Sturgeon seems completely blind to what would be an awful reality. Really odd!!

[kwinigolfer]

Diggers,

Forgot about The Persuaders!

[JAS]

...that's not the first time I've responded to a comment on page 1 when the debate rages 17 pages and several subjects further on...doh!!

Connery to me was Bond but having said that Live & Let Die was one of my favourites.

Re Fat Sam, aye time to retire, too difficult to take bungs without being noticed these days :-/

[raycastleunited]

Connery to me was Bond but having said that Live & Let Die was one of my favourites.

I watched Live and Let Die a couple of weeks ago. Perfect Sunday afternoon telly in the background. I had forgotten how silly it was, in particular the borderline racist stereotyping (there would be outrage today) and way the baddie kops it at the end. Still loved it - magic!

My favourite Bond theme too - although Guns n Roses cover is much better

[pedro]

Aye ray
JW Pepper.. probably the archetype of the white racist cop. Such a character they had to bring him back in a later movie.

The bus chase, the boat chase and the crocodile walk are all memorable scenes from Live and let die.

The spy who loved me was probably my favourite Bond theme but also think the Chris Cornell one was pretty good.

[kwinigolfer]

Here's the "archetype of the white racist cop":

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40032897

Doesn't mention the fact that more Texans suffer an untimely death by gunfire in a month than Britain will in a decade. Ignorance is bliss. What good would an armed securicor presence have done in MCR?

[super_realist]

Here's the "archetype of the white racist cop":

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40032897

Doesn't mention the fact that more Texans suffer an untimely death by gunfire in a month than Britain will in a decade. Ignorance is bliss. What good would an armed securicor presence have done in MCR?  

Or you could ask how guns stopped (or didn't) the Miami nightclub massacre,  Oklahoma or Boston Marathon bombings or the weekly mass shootings that happen in America. Guns do eff all to stop anything like this.

I really wish Americans would stop pretending the reason they have guns is for "protection" or for the laughable excuse of government tyranny. Why can't they just admit they have them because they like them.

The best and funniest thing I've ever seen against gun ownership is Jim Jeffries. Perhaps this inbred bible thumping ignoramus should watch that.

[puligny]

What a plank! People vote for him! Unbelievable! I hear now UK is not sending further details of the bombing to US Security Services, because they can't help leaking them to the media. Jusqt glad we are on the same side!!

[pedro]

Really stupid of him to shoehorn the gun control debate into this. It distracts from the main point of his post, which I think is valid enough.

[MontysMerkin]

Here's the "archetype of the white racist cop":

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40032897

Doesn't mention the fact that more Texans suffer an untimely death by gunfire in a month than Britain will in a decade. Ignorance is bliss. What good would an armed securicor presence have done in MCR?  

Or you could ask how guns a snooping charter stopped (or didn't) the Miami nightclub massacre,  Oklahoma or Boston Marathon bombings or the weekly mass shootings that happen in America. Guns do eff all to stop anything like this.

I really wish Americans would stop pretending the reason they have guns is for "protection" or for the laughable excuse of government tyranny. Why can't they just admit they have them because they like them.

The best and funniest thing I've ever seen against gun ownership is Jim Jeffries. Perhaps this inbred bible thumping ignoramus should watch that.

[Diggers]

Had my first round of foot golf today. Was a lot of fun, though pretty windy so not easy. I'd played the actual golf course it's built around before and it's really quiet, so no real negative impact for actual golfers.
Would definitely recommend it as a fun way to spend a few hours with some mates, be they golfers or not.

[I'm never wrong]

Alonso/Honda jinxed. Engine failure at Indy500

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