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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 07 Mar 2018, 11:55 am

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FRANCE v ENGLAND - 10/03/18 - MATCH THREAD


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England Team Starting XV
15 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 31 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 32 caps), 13 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors 11 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 56 caps) C, 11 Elliot Daly (Wasps 16 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 43 caps), 9 Danny Care (Harlequins 79 caps), 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 47 caps) VC, 2 Jamie George (Saracens 23 caps), 3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 80 caps), 4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 50 caps), 5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 17 caps), 6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 64 caps), 7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 62 caps), 8 Nathan Hughes (Wasps 13 caps).

Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs 4 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins 54 caps), 18 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins 8 caps), 19 James Haskell (Wasps 75 caps), 20 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 5 caps), 21 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens 29 caps), 22 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 38 caps), 23 Mike Brown (Harlequins 67 caps).



France Team News







Head to head
 P-103 England won 57, lost 39, drawn 7



Fully expect to see a tight game in poor weather conditions.
Must see a reaction from England at all costs, we've been treading water since the tour down-under imho and have seen little or no improvement since, plenty of depth but they must start playing like they own the shirt.


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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:09 pm

Hugh's knee looks gone.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:10 pm

Back row more balanced but that does not look good for Hughes at all.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:11 pm

Sorry to see Hughes go off but finally we have some pace in the actual pack!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:14 pm

George was very silly there, England still had the advantage and were in a good attacking position.
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Post by Heaf on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:17 pm

Where was the offside for that pen?

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:19 pm

This is dire!!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:19 pm

Heaf wrote:Where was the offside for that pen?

Was for a high tackle by Itoje I think.
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Post by whocares on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:20 pm

I think he meant the previous penalty

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Post by Heaf on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:20 pm

Before that ... offside from a ruck when Eng were all behind the back foot from the overhead shot

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:21 pm

I actually think that Ford should be taken off, Farrell to 10, Teo to 12 and JJ to 13. I think that would give England more attacking threat right now.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:21 pm

Heaf wrote:Before that ... offside from a ruck when Eng were all behind the back foot from the overhead shot

Oh, yeah I didn't see any offside there.
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:21 pm

Still waiting for a decent half of rugby from England this campaign!

Next week isn't going to be pretty, unless you're Irish.

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Post by mid_gen on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:21 pm

eirebilly wrote:George was very silly there, England still had the advantage and were in a good attacking position.

Silly? Totally braindead more like. We can't afford to blow attacking positions with stupidity like that.

Need to cut the penalties out.

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Post by mid_gen on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:22 pm

France absolutely miiiiiles offside.....no whistle....

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:24 pm

Silly mistake killing england with ball in hand not the ref.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:25 pm

England really have to score a try here to have any chance of keeping this championship alive.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:26 pm

Winninghr game not the champions important billy.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:England really have to score a try here to have any chance of keeping this championship alive.

That horse has bolted - just need a win here ...

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Post by mid_gen on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:27 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Silly mistake killing england with ball in hand not the ref.

France being allowed a yard or more offside at every ruck while we get pinged instantly is not helping.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:28 pm

Was just getting ahead of myself there lads thumbsup
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Post by Heaf on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:28 pm

Being pinged when not actually offside is defo not helping either ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:29 pm

Brill the traditional lawes can't hold the blooming ball moment.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:29 pm

Well on thst one....Grand Slam in the bag for Ireland next weekend!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:29 pm

Gf you're too pessimistic.


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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:30 pm

Absolutely dire and unimaginative half from England. Very poor indeed.

As I said earlier, Farrell to 10, Teo to 12 and JJ to 13. Ford, for all his attacking prowess is adding nothing to the England attack.
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Post by Scottrff on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:30 pm

Tournament over and we get worse every game. Can forget the World Cup.

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Post by whocares on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:31 pm

Well that wasn’t pretty. Starting to look a bit like France-Ireland game. French defending ok and England attack looks a bit toothless.

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:31 pm

France are nothing special, but I'll have a little punt on them at halftime at 5/2.

England have seriously struggled so far.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:33 pm

Don't worry scott lawes won't be playing 6 by then. Players will be back from injury.

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Post by mid_gen on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:35 pm

eirebilly wrote:Absolutely dire and unimaginative half from England. Very poor indeed.

As I said earlier, Farrell to 10, Teo to 12 and JJ to 13. Ford, for all his attacking prowess is adding nothing to the England attack.

Agreed, Ford is just baggage again. Te'o is looking busy but needs to be inside and on the ball more making space for JJ and the back 3.

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Post by Scottrff on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:36 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Don't worry scott lawes won't be playing 6 by then. Players will be back from injury.

Even worse without his 2/3 lineout steals. I'm not sure Eddie even sees the issue, but it's everyone's responsibility, including the players trying to make an extra metre without support.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:39 pm

That's a question in second row surely. You could play lawes Itoje as the lock for that. As I stated earlier shores up setpiece bur not sure it negates the breakdown. Laws the perfect bench option hough.

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Post by Scottrff on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:42 pm

Breakdown isn't one player though, it's coaching. We don't even compete and never get clean ball. That won't be solved with one personnel change.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm

Martin Johnston 'France will grow some balls' Shocked

Not sure the Beeb will like that Very Happy
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Post by lostinwales on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:43 pm

What a dismal game. Eng well on top but unable to break down the French defense. French attack also devoid of imagination. Points even- and a ref who loves the sound of the whistle

All a bit flat really

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:44 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Gf you're too pessimistic.

I'm not mate, I'm just a very realistic person.

We look shot.
No Intensity
No dynamic Carrying
Decision Making...poor
Defence - Disjointed
Scrum..mediocre
Attack looks ponderous and in-dynamic.



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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:44 pm

No its a system certainly. Hughes and Lawes don't work together and there's growing evidence that lawes aunt a back row. The poor standard of carrying from a lock at 6 adds to it though. He's not great at the breakdown either which adds to my view he's a lock or nothing

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:45 pm

And hopefully now he proves me wrong with a huge carrying and clear out 2nd half.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:45 pm

Scottrff wrote:Breakdown isn't one player though, it's coaching. We don't even compete and never get clean ball. That won't be solved with one personnel change.

Spot on mate...its the tactics.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:49 pm

And selection.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:49 pm

Which one comes before the other

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Post by Heaf on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:50 pm

No pen for falling over in front of advancing maul?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:52 pm

England need to understand that he's lenient on the breakdown in rolling away but harsh on releasing. Slowness into rucks is just one thing

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:52 pm

England are putting two men in the breakdown, clear outs....they got smashed doing that two weeks ago.

Theyre getting smashed today.

Ireland will rip them a new one next week.

Why are they NOT ADAPTING. They have to put MORE men to secure the ball. F^%k fast ball...its not good if you keep losing it at the breakdown!

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:53 pm

England need to make changes very soon, France are building momentum.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:54 pm

It is a high tackle but not as bad as it looks. Probably see a yellow card though. Chance of a penalty try?
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:54 pm

Penalty try and sin-bin?

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:55 pm

That is harsh for me...
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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:55 pm

Game over already.


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Post by whocares on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 5:55 pm

Wow that was very harsh.

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