England's Indian Summer - T20s, ODIs & Tests

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Off goes Rahul...at least he doesn't waste a review ! That was stone dead.
Jimmy on course for ten ?

Rahane in next as Kohli was off the field too long...

Jennings bowling - ahead of Rashid, Stokes, Ali. Clearly the plan to make Jennings an opening bat has failed, so reinvent him as Anderson's successor!

Gooseberry wrote:More damning stats ...Englands proper specialist batsmen have scored 411 runs in 23 innings between them in the series...Kholis scored 440 in 6. Pretty much 4 times as many runs each time hes been out to bat.

If anyone asks why they have a team stuffed with bits and pieces players and keepers...thats why.

Hmm. Couple of points :

Take out Kohli and India's stats might not be much better. And Kohli bats in his preferred spot , at four.

Anyway stuffing the team with bits and pieces will never solve the top three problem. Somehow they have to develop specialist bats for the job. Otherwise they're just applying band aids...

Duty281 wrote:Jennings bowling - ahead of Rashid, Stokes, Ali. Clearly the plan to make Jennings an opening bat has failed, so reinvent him as Anderson's successor!

Funky move

These "hunches" rarely work for England. Rashid on now anyway. Jennings has at least hit the pad a couple of times...but I doubt the Indian dressing room is too nervous...

Duty281 wrote:Jennings bowling - ahead of Rashid, Stokes, Ali. Clearly the plan to make Jennings an opening bat has failed, so reinvent him as Anderson's successor!

The bowlers are better than the batters at batting, maybe they're seeing the batters will be better than the bowlers at bowling?

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Jennings bowling - ahead of Rashid, Stokes, Ali. Clearly the plan to make Jennings an opening bat has failed, so reinvent him as Anderson's successor!

The bowlers are better than the batters at batting, maybe they're seeing the batters will be better than the bowlers at bowling?

Now you mention it, Cook does have a bowling average of 7...

India's session. Increasingly looking like India's test. Another two sessions of batting and England will be in arrears.

Moeen a good first over...looked more threatening than Rashid actually.

India will be happy with the morning. England will need to work their socks off after lunch.

anderson has been offline this inning

Broad was good...... and Curran not threatening...he's not a replacement for Woakes in terms of quality....unless ball is jagging around in absolute swingy-seaming conditions

and Stokes not bowling makes the Eng attack look quite moderate
Bits-n-Pieces feel to the Eng bowling in the last half hour of that session

Rahul's chink of not handing incoming delivery got throughly exposed.....and Dhawan fell to loss of concentration after drinks


each Indian batsman has had a start of 20 odd and they are fighting hard......atleast one has to go on to get a 100.....Pujara it should be looked solid and chanceless

India's session in my view..

Thought Anderson bowled poorly, in helpful conditions. Broad bowled well, and Curran did ok.

Rashid/Ali both looked ok - created some uncomfortable moments for Kohli and Pujara.

Clearly Stokes isn't fit to bowl with Jennings having an over or two.

Broad certainly the pick of the bowers this morning. Not sure what was the matter with Anderson...he was if anything too full without getting the late movement he was after ; though he did find the edge of Kohli's bat on one occasion.
I'll be interested to see how Root uses Moeen this afternoon.

Pujara and Kohli settled in and starting to cash in. Big worry for England, especially as their frontline seamers are starting to tire. Interesting that Moeen is preferred over Rashid - begging the question, why is Rashid in the side?

Moeen v Pujara is interesting at the moment. Feel there is a chance here ...
England will be desperate to shift this pair as they don't have many runs to play with. Yes India may need a substantial lead batting last ; but if these two have another solid partnership you'd reckon they will get that with ease.
In this situation you really miss Stokes as a bower. Not sure anyone else is likely to produce the wicket out of nowhere...although Broad is bowling very well here !
Just can't quite catch the edge.

alfie wrote:Broad certainly the pick of the bowers this morning. Not sure what was the matter with Anderson...he was if anything too full without getting the late movement he was after ; though he did find the edge of Kohli's bat on one occasion.
I'll be interested to see how Root uses Moeen this afternoon.

I think 4 tests in a row is too much for anderson at this age...even his pace was down all thru this inning

pitch is gripping a bit.....just a bit for the first time in this series
swing disappeared....seam movement considerably less compared to yesterday

Kohli edges Moeen between Buttler and Stokes. Been a tad fortunate in this innings has the Indian captain

KP_fan wrote:

alfie wrote:Broad certainly the pick of the bowers this morning. Not sure what was the matter with Anderson...he was if anything too full without getting the late movement he was after ; though he did find the edge of Kohli's bat on one occasion.
I'll be interested to see how Root uses Moeen this afternoon.

I think 4 tests in a row is too much for anderson at this age...even his pace was down all thru this inning

You could well be right there , KP_fan. Trouble is they lean on him so much... Lot of bowling at Trent Bridge shortly after Lord's was testing him.

Time for Curran to step up with the ball now :

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Kohli edges Moeen between Buttler and Stokes. Been a tad fortunate in this innings has the Indian captain

One of those weird ones, where it wasn't really either Buttler or Stokes's fault - perfectly placed (not on purpose!). Not promising signs for England with Ashwin to bowl that there seems to be spin now for Moeen...

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Kohli edges Moeen between Buttler and Stokes. Been a tad fortunate in this innings has the Indian captain

One of those weird ones, where it wasn't really either Buttler or Stokes's fault - perfectly placed (not on purpose!). Not promising signs for England with Ashwin to bowl that there seems to be spin now for Moeen...

Think it might be time to get both spinners on and try to buy a wicket tbh.

Young Joe doesn't seem to understand the concept of DRS. Every time the ball hits a batsman on the pads he's obsessed with going for a review. Joe needs to calm down a tad, we've already blown one

Finally one of Kohli's streaky edges go to hand! Not the best I've seen him play, a very streaky 40 odd.

England have an opportunity now

lapse in concentration by Kohli........when a 100 was for the taking
Rahane needs to deliver a 40 odd and Pujara bat all the way

And indeed young Sam does the trick !

Excellent low catch Cook and the danger man goes...in truth he had enjoyed a bit of luck in that innings ; England were probably due

Now they need to back that break up :

needed that, need a couple more quick wickets now. id also take ali off and bring on another quick

Good breakthrough, but Kohli was far from his brilliant best. Still a huge task for England - only 100 in front, Pujara playing superbly.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Kohli edges Moeen between Buttler and Stokes. Been a tad fortunate in this innings has the Indian captain

One of those weird ones, where it wasn't really either Buttler or Stokes's fault - perfectly placed (not on purpose!). Not promising signs for England with Ashwin to bowl that there seems to be spin now for Moeen...

Was really. Weird I mean... One might suggest Buttler was moving to leg a bit early ; but with Moeen's natural angles you can see why he did.
No chance for slip unless he was set very fine.
Anyway not costly...to everyone's relief !

Stokes on and induces a Pujara edge ...falling a bit too short for Buttler but oh so close...
Things happening ; England need to keep pressing as one more now might bring a couple .
Pujara doing a great job , but he doesn't look altogether secure. Good contest right now.

Rahane dropped at slip...tough for Root , to his right and low. Pity they didn't have a third slip...
But those are the ones you need to take in these situations. And all too often , lately , England don't.

Tough to win test matches when you have to take 25/26 wickets to win them...

Rahane needs to score a 25 odd atleast with Pujara...to not let Eng get any momentum and take India to safety of 200+

Stokes strikes ! Only just got away with the no ball issue...but the lbw decision was plumb . So India lose the irk fourth wicket - and last review.

Game on.

that was a No-ball when Bumrah got it.......Ind could still concede lead.....they need a 50 run partnership & overhal Eng losing no more than 1 more wicket

KP_fan wrote:Rahane needs to score a 25 odd atleast with Pujara...to not let Eng get any momentum and take India to safety of 200+

Rahane becoming Stokes' bunny...

India need Pant to stand up now. Crucial spell leading up to tea.

Very tight no-ball call, but it's a cheap wicket as Rahane didn't look like scoring many.

The key is Pujara - get him before the interval, and England might get a lead.

Pujara seems to top edge one into his own head. Seems ok

Duty281 wrote:Very tight no-ball call, but it's a cheap wicket as Rahane didn't look like scoring many.

The key is Pujara - get him before the interval, and England might get a lead.

Stokes has given him a nice bang on the helmet : but it's his wicket they need.

For a man who was doubtful to bowl Stokes is doing a decent job of filling in a few overs

In opener news, Ben Duckett has signed for Notts on a three year deal - a move to division one for him.

I thought he was a little harshly treated by England, brought in in alien conditions, and disposed of completely whilst not disgracing himself (and actually performing well in the one day stuff). Hasn't had the best year for Northants, but hopefully this move can help him get back some form, and who knows, get himself back in the England frame...

On the batting woes:

James Hildreth has scored important runs in both innings for Somerset against Yorks - he's unbeaten on 61 in the second innings to go with 81 in the first.

Ian Bell notched a double century against Glamorgan. It's hardly a strong bowling line-up but he's a class player in good nick.

James Vince has currently got 15 off 64 balls in what sounds like very trying conditions against a good Essex attack. Hardly setting the world alight with his stroke play but he's hunkering down well for a middle order batsman known to flirt with balls outside off stump.

Real old style Test Cricket at the moment ...runs have dried up as Pujara and Pant look to see off Stokes , and Anderson - who is looking a lot more himself than this morning.

You feel if these two can get through this patch they will set things up for Pandya and Ashwin to contribute to a healthy lead : but a wicket now could bring a few more...

Ball is getting older so India will fancy their chances .

Holding is talking about India batting all of day and most of tomm
Bhajji talking about lead of 70 to 100 being handy

and I am like.....lets pray we don't concede Eng a lead.....its not a given we will overhaul them

king_carlos wrote:On the batting woes:

James Hildreth has scored important runs in both innings for Somerset against Yorks - he's unbeaten on 61 in the second innings to go with 81 in the first.

Ian Bell notched a double century against Glamorgan. It's hardly a strong bowling line-up but he's a class player in good nick.

James Vince has currently got 15 off 64 balls in what sounds like very trying conditions against a good Essex attack. Hardly setting the world alight with his stroke play but he's hunkering down well for a middle order batsman known to flirt with balls outside off stump.

Any of them would be worth a try at The Oval , I think. Root surely must go back to four...so even if one of them gets twenty at three it would be an improvement !

My word that was a painful stay for Pant - Moeen gets a much deserved wicket, he's bowled very nicely

Moeen nabs the wicket on the stroke of tea : Pant's lengthy stay for a duck ended by a (good) lbw decision .
Moeen deserved that...has bowled very well today.

181/5 so all to play for in the evening session.

KP_fan wrote:Holding is talking about India batting all of day and most of tomm
Bhajji talking about lead of 70 to 100 being handy

and I am like.....lets pray we don't concede Eng a lead.....its not a given we will overhaul them

Look I told ya.......Ind might concede a lead
Pant averaging 50+ beating the daylight out of gentle medium pacers in Ranji has found even putting bat to ball against 85mph bowling on a seaming pitch ain't easy

If he fails in next inning....,..it's career over for ..........he ain't cut out for test cricket

alfie wrote:Stokes on and induces a Pujara edge ...falling a bit too short for Buttler but oh so close...
Things happening ; England need to keep pressing as one more now might bring a couple .
Pujara doing a great job , but he doesn't look altogether secure. Good contest right now.

Hi Alfie and all - just back from hols and catching up. Thought England might have told the unfit (to keep anyway) Bairstow to sit this one out altogether and called up Foakes for his debut.

Even with Surrey bias and as Alfie knows, I wouldn't normally favour Foakes over Bairstow behind the stumps in an England Test line up. However, I would put him there before Buttler.

If you have a minute or so to spare, try and see once available ( on Surrey tv match highlights / youtube) the penultimate Notts' wicket in Surrey's win today - a tremendous one handed catch diving forward to his left to catch Moores off Tom Curran. Reminded me of the Pujara edge off Stokes but the keeper not only converted it into a chance but also a wicket. Top, top quality keeping.

Don't think Hardik or Ashwin will hang around this evening - quick runs will be the order of the evening.

England still behind, but they're scrapping well.

alfie wrote:

king_carlos wrote:On the batting woes:

James Hildreth has scored important runs in both innings for Somerset against Yorks - he's unbeaten on 61 in the second innings to go with 81 in the first.

Ian Bell notched a double century against Glamorgan. It's hardly a strong bowling line-up but he's a class player in good nick.

James Vince has currently got 15 off 64 balls in what sounds like very trying conditions against a good Essex attack. Hardly setting the world alight with his stroke play but he's hunkering down well for a middle order batsman known to flirt with balls outside off stump.

Any of them would be worth a try at The Oval , I think.  Root surely  must go back to four...so even if one of them gets twenty at three it would be an improvement !

1.Cook
2.Burns/Gubbins
3.Hildreth/Bell/Vince
4.Root (c)
5.Bairstow
6.Stokes
7.Buttler (wk)
8.Moeen/Rashid
9.Curran/Woakes
10.Broad
11.Anderson

The particular players selected is as always subjective but there's seems an overwhelming feeling with fans and pundits that a settled and sensibly ordered batting line-up is needed.

king_carlos wrote:

alfie wrote:

king_carlos wrote:On the batting woes:

James Hildreth has scored important runs in both innings for Somerset against Yorks - he's unbeaten on 61 in the second innings to go with 81 in the first.

Ian Bell notched a double century against Glamorgan. It's hardly a strong bowling line-up but he's a class player in good nick.

James Vince has currently got 15 off 64 balls in what sounds like very trying conditions against a good Essex attack. Hardly setting the world alight with his stroke play but he's hunkering down well for a middle order batsman known to flirt with balls outside off stump.

Any of them would be worth a try at The Oval , I think.  Root surely  must go back to four...so even if one of them gets twenty at three it would be an improvement !

1.Cook
2.Burns/Gubbins
3.Hildreth/Bell/Vince
4.Root (c)
5.Bairstow
6.Stokes
7.Buttler (wk)
8.Moeen/Rashid
9.Curran/Woakes
10.Broad
11.Anderson

The particular players selected is as always subjective but there's seems an overwhelming feeling with fans and pundits that a settled and sensibly ordered batting line-up is needed.

Probably too sensible for Smith

Moeen, continuing to bowl well, gets Pandya caught at short mid wicket.

Big partnership for India now - they need these guys to get them into a lead

Splendid piece of planning and bowling there as Mo nabs Pandya with a fine Root catch at short mid...

Love it when a plan comes together !

Moeen having a good match

And hi to guildford ...welcome back. You'd be happy to see how well Surrey are doing !

Take your point re Foakes. But I fear his hopes have all but disappeared with Smith taking control of selection : he has been pretty clear that he intends to instal Buttler firmly in the side one way or another ...and I don't think that leaves room for another keeper...