Sturm vs Macklin and Brook vs N'Dou

Currently on sky.

Best performance I've seen from kell against a resilient n'dou.

Macklin fight now.

Currently 6th round great fight. I have macklin ahead by 2 rounds. Macklin doing most of the work but sturm showing the quality shots. concerned macklin might gas late on. Well worth catching if you miss it.

Anyone else watching? what are your thoughts so far? How far can kell go?

I'm impressed with macklin, pressuring well and decent body attack. But doubt he will get a decision, and think he might start gassing soon and fade off

Kell looked good. Has ndou in lots of trouble and landed some crisp shots. Hopedfully we don't have to wait ages for him to fight again and he continues to step up level of opposition

Sturm wins split decision

Is that official?

Had it as a Macklin 2 up. Goddamn German judges!

Missed the Brook fight

But what a fight with Macklin and Sturm, hats off to both of them and no shame for Macklin losing it was a great fight!

Wish he'd have won though

Four Rounds is a joke, wouldn't have argued two either but never four. Had macklin by one. Rematch rematch rematch! Would pay to watch that again, great fight

I did win money on that though, every cloud!! Had brook and sturm on points

I thought Macklin won it but close fights over there always go the same way, surprised they didn't give Sturm a UD like the Ottke days!

Germans shouldn't be allowed to fight in Germany.

Excellent performance from Macklin..did much better than I thought he would and was unlucky not to get the decision. Honestly feel Mack sneaked it although a draw would have been a fair result even in Germany. Macklin seemed to allow Sturm to make room for his shots in the last third of the fight and stopped closing the gap as he'd done in the beginning. Macklin showed how to beat Sturm though, get up close and sit on his chest. Sturm seemed clueless how to deal with him at times.

Good performance from Brook but again he lacks the maturity and experience to prevent fighters like N'Dou to muddle through the last rounds.

Compelling - good win I hope mate!

Who u picking next weekend?

Haye vs Valuev highlights on next, won't be on long

Can't get more controversial than a SD in Germany.

Might have been the poor quality of the stream I was watching (very probable with the image often changing pattern and colour) but I thought it should have been a UD for Sturm. Landed the bigger and better scoring punches compared to Macklin's less hurtful bunches from what I could tell.

Would also help not to announce SD winners in the same format. Always goes: Card 1 - loser, Card 2 - winner, Card 3 - winner... Mix it up once in a while rather than making the result as predictable as it can be.

Good win for Brook, dominated a step up in opposition.

4 rounds is Definatley a Germany verdict. Draw was the correct score here IMO.

Brook was impressive, but I'd like to see him in with a genuine contender, all respect to ndou, but he's a spent force.

Next weekend, after watching alot of haye+wlads fights back to back I'm really losing confidence in Hayes chances. Wlads jab looks formidable to me, haye has to go for a first three round or bust strategy otherwise I'm giving him no chance. I can't see haye handling the jab right straight combo very well at all. Wlad KO around round 8 for me. (hope I'm wrong though)

I thought Macklin got it on work rate

Sturm looked desperate at times, didn't know what to do and didn't use his jab enough especially early, I think he was weary of Macklins power and didn't want to leave an opening but by doing that Macklin was able to outwork him.

Macklin was gone at the end though, a few seconds more and that would have been it for him, I thought I saw a towel fly in just at the bell bt must have been seeig things

Very impressed with Brook, was glad that he put in such a good performance as I didn't want to be left with egg on my face after touting him so much. Crucially, he showed maturity tonight - he didn't needlessly rush in when he had N'Dou hurt, he put his punches together well and, when tagged himself, had the good sense to back up a wee bit and start a fresh probe, rather than just trying to be macho and getting in to a slugfest. A world title shot in 2012, methinks.

As for Macklin, hard luck tonight. I'm sorry, but there is just no way at all that Sturm did enough to win that fight. At best, I think he could lay claim to a draw. I personally scored it 115-113 Macklin; true, his work was usually of a slightly lower quality, but at the same time I don't think Sturm landed anywhere enough of his higher class stuff to bridge the gap in their respective work rates, a department in which Macklin was certainly superior.

Not the worst decision I've seen, and not an absolute highway robbery to compare with something such as Whitaker-Chavez, but the better fighter tonight is leaving Cologne without the belt as far as I'm concerned.

eezerthegeezer wrote:Compelling - good win I hope mate!

Who u picking next weekend?

Nothing great, but a wins a win. Only got just over 2's as both results were favourites. Had a tenner on it

Still undecided on the haye fight, thinking wlad at the minute but sneaky feeling hayes got his number

Me too, I seriously can't make up my mind but then it's one of those fights where they both can KO the other, Wlad the better boxer Haye the more heart and agression, just cant decide

Leaning more to Wlad at the moment though but I'm still not sure, but I'm usually wrong anyway!

88Chris05 wrote:Very impressed with Brook, was glad that he put in such a good performance as I didn't want to be left with egg on my face after touting him so much. Crucially, he showed maturity tonight - he didn't needlessly rush in when he had N'Dou hurt, he put his punches together well and, when tagged himself, had the good sense to back up a wee bit and start a fresh probe, rather than just trying to be macho and getting in to a slugfest. A world title shot in 2012, methinks.

As for Macklin, hard luck tonight. I'm sorry, but there is just no way at all that Sturm did enough to win that fight. At best, I think he could lay claim to a draw. I personally scored it 115-113 Macklin; true, his work was usually of a slightly lower quality, but at the same time I don't think Sturm landed anywhere enough of his higher class stuff to bridge the gap in their respective work rates, a department in which Macklin was certainly superior.

Not the worst decision I've seen, and not an absolute highway robbery to compare with something such as Whitaker-Chavez, but the better fighter tonight is leaving Cologne without the belt as far as I'm concerned.

Yours, Dave and a few other pretty much sums it up. For Kell's next opponents i think the commentators hit the nail on the head meantioning the likes of malignaggi as his next opponent. He has bags of experience and should give Kell another good 9-12 rounds near the top level. Also Matthew Hatton might be another good shout for his next opponent. He doesnt carry a KO threat but has experience and with the Saul Alvarez defeat, he's shown some good stamina and tenacity. plus you've got the domestic angle with that one.

Had Macklin winning it by one round. Love to see a rematch though i doubt Sturm will be keen. Though the judging wasn't the worst it just highlight with the Haye fight he really need to be winning by 4-6 rounds should it go to the cards to have any chance of a draw!

macklin should have won, but that said he will have known that in germany he needed to be a clear win, think in the last 2 rounds he just couldn't keep the pace and allowed sturn back in it and let him get some decent shots of. something needs to be done about the judging in german.

also i don't know if i miss heard, but they didn't give macklins score at the end from the other judge. that seems a bit unusal.

eddyfightfan wrote:also i don't know if i miss heard, but they didn't give macklins score at the end from the other judge. that seems a bit unusal.

Did they not? Could have sworn I heard 115-113 Macklin, 116-113 Sturm and 116-112 Sturm.

Macklin won that fight hands down, he outfought him and landed the better work throughout the fight, he battered him for the first 4 rounds inparticular, but even being as bias as they are i didn't even expect that, big time robbery. Fair play to Richie Woodhall for his comments

You didn't expect it?

There was absolutely no way Macklin was going to be given that decision.

You have to absolutely murder your opponent over all 12 rounds to get a decision in Germany.

Macklin did win the fight, but not by enough.

88Chris05 wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:also i don't know if i miss heard, but they didn't give macklins score at the end from the other judge. that seems a bit unusal.

Did they not? Could have sworn I heard 115-113 Macklin, 116-113 Sturm and 116-112 Sturm.

maybe they did but i thought they said sturm 116-112 twice and didnt mention macklin- your probably right i was watching at work so could have missed it.

maybe they did but i thought they said sturm 116-112 twice and didnt mention macklin- your probably right i was watching at work so could have missed it.
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They read Macklin first 115-113

eddyfightfan wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:also i don't know if i miss heard, but they didn't give macklins score at the end from the other judge. that seems a bit unusal.

Did they not? Could have sworn I heard 115-113 Macklin, 116-113 Sturm and 116-112 Sturm.

maybe they did but i thought they said sturm 116-112 twice and didnt mention macklin- your probably right i was watching at work so could have missed it.

In fairness I watched it in the comfort of my front room and even then I had to listen hard to hear Buffer reading the card which favoured Macklin, understandable that you might miss it in the work environment.

i thought Brook was quality as well, and shouldn't go for Malignaggi, although Brook would wipe the floor with a 'name', he should go for Vyacheslav Senchenkothe WBA champ, Brook would shoot him out imo and have bargaining power when Khan wants to move up, he has the beating of Khan if they fight.