Froch - Ward fight confirmed for 29 October

From the BBC website: "Britain's Carl Froch will fight American Andre Ward in the final of the Super Six boxing classic on 29 October in Atlantic City."

Another good fight to look forward to and, in all honestly, a close one to call. Froch seems to find ways to win, but Ward is fast and akward. To early for predictions!

Froch via Stoppage or Ward UD

d260005p wrote:Froch via Stoppage or Ward UD

Spot on, I'd say

bhb001 wrote:

d260005p wrote:Froch via Stoppage or Ward UD

Spot on, I'd say

You know its going be interesting no matter what. Froch never in a bad fight and its always a tear up, Ward is quick and technically more gifted, along with speed. Should be a great match up. Hope Froch wins because he will finally get the accolades he deserves and "MAY" step out of Calzaghes shadow. Who knows, good luck to him!

i know the bookies have ward favourite but im getting well behind froch and going heart over mind and saying froch late TKO

I think Ward wll win by UD. He is technically very sound and uses his head well (literally). Froch is wide open to a right hand Johnson hit him with it several times and Wards speed could be the telling factor.

Hope I'm wrong I really like Froch's attitude.

Froch doesnt stop anyone and neither does Ward so this fight will go the distance

Mmm, like Jermain Taylor

Steffan wrote:Froch doesnt stop anyone and neither does Ward so this fight will go the distance

He has got a 71% KO ratio to be fair mate. I know he aint stopped anyone since Taylor, but still, that was a good achievment. Abraham has never been stopped i dont think, neither has Direll (apart from when Abraham got a DQ lol) and obviously Glen Johnson aint either as far as im aware but could be wrong. Still to see Wards chin tested but i cant see a KO, i agree with you in a long distance fight with Ward picking up a UD. Hope im wrong though. Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

d260005p wrote:. Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

Because he's American and they are pulling the strings on the super six?

I would dearly love Froch to win in this but it looks tough. Is fairly obvious with how infrequently his passport has been needed that the Americans would favour a Ward win and for me even when he wins fights, with the exception of Abraham Froch ships punches and this is a style that makes rounds a little closer than they need to be. Have to think if Froch leaves any rounds close in this one he does not get the nod.

Ward has looked good but not spectacular so he is the unknown in this. The thing I like in Froch is I get the impression that if Ward does try any dirty stuff he might find himself in with someone more than happy to respond in kind and we still don't know how he will react to that. Would back Ward as I think the dice are a little loaded in his favour but will be cheering Carl on and certainly don't write his chances off

d260005p wrote:Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

It's a few thousand miles away from his back yard...

i see froch running around a bit trying to get to ward, who will try and pick him off- and can see froch managing to keep him on the ropes or in a corner and forcing a stoppage. i dont think ward will manage to take prologed attacks from froch.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Mmm, like Jermain Taylor

One fighter of note

Well done

Yes, you can't write off Froch in this one, but it is a tough fight to call, especially as there will be "home town bias". I will be cheering Froch on all the way

Froch is by no means an Earnie Shavers puncher but he hits plenty hard enough. You have to consider the level of opposition he has been facing, they are all top tier guys. Take the bulk of fighters top five or six opponents and look at how many knock outs they have scored and the impressive looking stats soon decrease.

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Mmm, like Jermain Taylor

One fighter of note

Well done

Froch 1-0 Calzaghe then.

bhb001 wrote:

d260005p wrote:. Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

Because he's American and they are pulling the strings on the super six?

True. Still harsh though you not think? Not one American fighter has left the states in this apart from Taylor and Direll. They did it once each. Froch has fought once at home and then Kessler in Denmark, Abraham in Finland, Johnson in the states and now again with Ward. Ward has fought EVERY fight in the USA. Weird. String pulling like you said. Is it unfair though???

Scottrf wrote:

d260005p wrote:Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

It's a few thousand miles away from his back yard...

Still in his home country. Even if Froch fought in London, still in his backyard because he will have more support

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Mmm, like Jermain Taylor

One fighter of note

Well done

Froch 1-0 Calzaghe then.

Its not about Calzaghe. I just never understand why people always pick Froch to get a TKO when he hardly ever does. If Froch wins then it will be by a decision not TKO IMO

Since Scott has mentioned him who must not be named will expand my earlier point by looking at Joes best five opponents.

Lacy - PTS
Eubank - PTS
Kessler - PTS
Hopkins PTS
Reid - PTS

When you fight good fighters the stoppages dry up a little, should also say you could have done the same with most fighters.

d260005p wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

d260005p wrote:Why is this fight in his back yard again btw?

It's a few thousand miles away from his back yard...

Still in his home country. Even if Froch fought in London, still in his backyard because he will have more support

That analogy works in England, not so much in the US. For a Californian vs Englishman, New Jersey is fairly close to a neutral venue in terms of support.

i have to say that for me, if froch wins the super 6 and wins a rematch against kessler the he has suprassed calaghes best.

WHAT THE HELL HAS CALZAGHE GOT TO DO WITH FROCH?

FROCH HAD NOT STOPPED ANYONE SINCE TAYLOR

FACT

I said a few weeks back that I saw this as a 60:40 fight in Ward's favour, and nothing's changed. Froch is more than capable of winning this one, but he needs an Abraham performance, not a Johnson one. If he goes in to this fight with the mentality that Ward can't hurt him, it could be his undoing.

Granted, Ward's not exactly a power puncher, but he's a strong and robust lad at 168 lb who can score with a lot of eye-catching shots if you give him the opening. Froch can't afford to ship as many punches as he did against Johnson, because unlike Johnson, Ward won't let him throw two or three back in retaliation - he'll grab, spoil and smother after he lands a big shot of his own, as he has done in every other fight so far.

Froch is treading a fine line, here. He needs to take the fight to Ward by all means and take him out of his comfort zone, but he needs to make sure he's not wreckless in doing it. Subtle and consistent pressure like he applied against Abraham is exactly what's needed.

I think it will be more an intriguing rather than exciting fight. The safe money is on a Ward UD, but I'm going to back the (slight) underdog and say that Froch takes it on the cards after hurting Ward a few times late on.

how can someone who "hardly ever knocks people out" have a 71% KO ration then? Fair play if he has a record like Paulie Magic Man or something, but he aint! He can still bang, even if its not as effective at "World Class", his 71% KO Ratio dont lie.

Confident Froch will pull this out the bag one way or another, think he has enough power to gain the respect of an opponent unless they're Glen Johnson but he doesn't possess true KO power

i dont think froch will win any sort of decesion win over the pond

d260005p wrote:how can someone who "hardly ever knocks people out" have a 71% KO ration then? Fair play if he has a record like Paulie Magic Man or something, but he aint! He can still bang, even if its not as effective at "World Class", his 71% KO Ratio dont lie.

I meant over the last few years. Maybe I should of stated that

Steffan wrote:I meant over the last few years. Maybe I should of stated that

Calzaghe hasn't even fought in the last few years, what's your point?

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:I meant over the last few years. Maybe I should of stated that

Calzaghe hasn't even fought in the last few years, what's your point?

I didnt bring Calzaghe into this...you did

How on earth has this turned into a CALZAGHE/FROCH Debate?

Steffan wrote:WHAT THE HELL HAS CALZAGHE GOT TO DO WITH FROCH?

FROCH HAD NOT STOPPED ANYONE SINCE TAYLOR

FACT

i only mentioned calzaghe cos i saw the froch1-calzaghe 0 comment, and the rest appeared whilst i was writing my comment. the reason i say froch wins TKO is cos im backing froch more on feelings than actually skill, i dont think he will KO him with a single punch and i dont think he will get a decision over there, so for he his best change is to try and pin him down and force a stoppage.

Steffan wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Steffan wrote:I meant over the last few years. Maybe I should of stated that

Calzaghe hasn't even fought in the last few years, what's your point?

I didnt bring Calzaghe into this...you did

Was hoping for a better reaction than that, well done

HumanWindmill wrote:Steffan,

One of your posts, above, has been edited due to personal attack and attempt to beat the swear filter.

Would appreciate it if you'd refrain from both. Thank you.

Sorry. Wont happen again. Just annoys me when some posters bring Calzaghe into this looking for a pro-Welsh rise out of me

All I stated was is that I never understand why people always pick Froch to win by TKO when Jermain Taylor aside all his top wins have come by a decision. Scottrf clearly did not understand this so just brought Calzaghe into play as joker card

Steffan wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:Steffan,

One of your posts, above, has been edited due to personal attack and attempt to beat the swear filter.

Would appreciate it if you'd refrain from both. Thank you.

Sorry. Wont happen again. Just annoys me when some posters bring Calzaghe into this looking for a pro-Welsh rise out of me

Maybe you need to control your temper. Sticks and stones...

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

Steffan wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:Steffan,

One of your posts, above, has been edited due to personal attack and attempt to beat the swear filter.

Would appreciate it if you'd refrain from both. Thank you.

Sorry. Wont happen again. Just annoys me when some posters bring Calzaghe into this looking for a pro-Welsh rise out of me

Maybe you need to control your temper. Sticks and stones...

You sound just like my anger management counselor...

Steffan wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

Steffan wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:Steffan,

One of your posts, above, has been edited due to personal attack and attempt to beat the swear filter.

Would appreciate it if you'd refrain from both. Thank you.

Sorry. Wont happen again. Just annoys me when some posters bring Calzaghe into this looking for a pro-Welsh rise out of me

Maybe you need to control your temper. Sticks and stones...

You sound just like my anger management counselor...

Now there is a tough job

Steffan wrote:You sound just like my anger management counselor...

I'd get a new one mate, the one you have at the moment is rubbish.

Union Cane wrote:

Steffan wrote:You sound just like my anger management counselor...

I'd get a new one mate, the one you have at the moment is rubbish.

Maybe Coxy could recommend one to him, whoever he uses is obviously brilliant.

For the record and just to please you Froch fan boys I will give a calm opinion of this fight

Froch has every chance of winning this fight. But if he does it will be through pressure fighting. He needs to stalk Ward and cut off his ring space. Be the aggressor and he will get the decision. In fact if I were a betting man my money could well be on Froch. But if Froch wins it will be by decision. Certainly not a KO/TKO in my opinion

Think even if Froch does what you say Steffan, Ward has the ability to nick rounds through countering as Froch aint too difficult to hit and score against.

Think this could be close but see Ward getting the decision because he's "supposed" to win the competition. Froch could well be shafted hard in the rear by the judges, also the ref will stop Froch doing some juicy stuff on the inside to Ward but will let the American get away with murder (eg. the Kessler fight was a disgrace to boxing). However, got a feeling Ward will edge a close but fair decision.

Id go with whoever said Ward by UD or Froch by KO. Assuming noone gets cut or disqualified I cannot see it going any other way. Wish my credit card wasn't already battered as I would of loved to of made a long weekend of it.

Steffan wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Mmm, like Jermain Taylor

One fighter of note

Well done

Thank you very much for that compliment, I thought it was well done too. I don't see why more people don't see eye to eye with you.

Steffan wrote:For the record and just to please you Froch fan boys I will give a calm opinion of this fight

Froch has every chance of winning this fight. But if he does it will be through pressure fighting. He needs to stalk Ward and cut off his ring space. Be the aggressor and he will get the decision. In fact if I were a betting man my money could well be on Froch. But if Froch wins it will be by decision. Certainly not a KO/TKO in my opinion

Taking Superboons point that followed this, it is a reasonable appraisal of Froch's chances. I just wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a KO, but it is balanced and considered

Froch hasn't been able to stop opponents recently because he has been figthing at the highest level against granite chinned fighters

Johnson- who the hell can stop him
Kessler-Has he ever even touched canvas
AA-dropped once off balance in his career
Dirrel-just fell to the floor half the fight
PAscal-never been down

This fight with Ward should be great but if it is competative which it will be Ward will spoil in close and try to make it a fight where he ties up then breaks throw s a couple combos to win the round and spoil again, i want to see neutral judges and a decent ref, Froch should pre empt any home favouratism by making a stink

Seanusarrilius wrote:Kessler-Has he ever even touched canvas

Yes, Froch tripped him up.