Newcastle - The Circus Continues.....

by Geordie Thu 21 Jul 2011, 12:49 pm

Well, the Circus continues.

3 players - Barton, Ranger and Cabaye refused visas to play on our US summer tour.

And now Ben Arfa is flown home for another injury - an ankle one this time.

Is anything straightforward with the toon.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 12:52 pm

HBA is not serious. It's a minor ankle knock but given all the flying they will be doing, it's easier to send him back.

by sodhat Thu 21 Jul 2011, 12:53 pm

Maybe next year go on a tour to Wales or something...

Is it all arrest related reasons for the visa blocking?

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 12:57 pm

sodhat wrote:Maybe next year go on a tour to Wales or something...

Is it all arrest related reasons for the visa blocking?

If you've done 'porridge' you need to have a clean record for 5 years.

Joey has 3 clean years since he did time, and Ranger did 2 months in Juvi when he was 15.

Cabaye could get a visa, but not in time.

by Geordie Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:00 pm

Also what do you think about Enrique.

Is this little niggling injury he has real...or is he just hunting to leave?

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:01 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Also what do you think about Enrique.

Is this little niggling injury he has real...or is he just hunting to leave?

I think it's a bit 50/50. The club won't risk playing him with a knock if they may have to sell him.

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:05 pm

I swear Barton was on holiday in the USA last month?

Enrique not being the centre of any transfer goings on recenty; possibly because he's not in demand, or because clubs are waiting til last minute and he tries to force his own way out.

Plus I wouldn't really call three players not being included in our USA tour a circus- only two of them would start the season anyway. And haven't they all been sent to Holland with the reserves to make sure they get some preparation?

Most journos are saying HBA's injury shouldn't be too serious and will be ready for the start of the season.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:07 pm

There is a difference between a travel visa and a working visa, Churchy.

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:34 pm

Clarke James wrote:There is a difference between a travel visa and a working visa, Churchy.

Really? Seems a bit harsh for Barton to be allowed to go on holiday and then a month later be refused to be let in; but I suppose it gives more chances for some other players to get a bit of game time in the U S of A.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 1:36 pm

Yeah, Joey won't mind.

Shame about Cabeye, he looked decent against Darlo. Very composed.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 2:38 pm

Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

by Geordie Thu 21 Jul 2011, 2:40 pm

Yeah...apparently he looked very good though...so i hope he can stay fit.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 2:41 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 2:56 pm

Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:05 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:09 pm

Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that thumbsup

Whats a bin dipper

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:15 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:15 pm

Oh...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bin%20dipper

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:20 pm

Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

How can you to that, do you work at Newcastle FC HR Department?

Thats your opinion, but considering your Newcastle fan talking about a former Middlesborough player, think Ill take that with a pinch of salt thumbsup

Plus you seem to have alot of knowledge or experience of bin dipping Whistle

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:25 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

How can you to that, do you work at Newcastle FC HR Department?

Thats your opinion, but considering your Newcastle fan talking about a former Middlesborough player, think Ill take that with a pinch of salt

Plus you seem to have alot of knowledge or experience of bin dipping

Good comeback.

We have a wage cap of £50,000. Plus, i have a few 'ITK's' on twitter who confirmed. He'll be on around £40,000.

Nothing to do with him being Boro. He's never fulfilled his potential. He's stats were on SSN, 40% of crosses actually hit the target man. That'll help Carroll.

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:28 pm

Some more stats on Downing:

Aston Villa player of the year last year.
Assists: 7
Goals: 7
Passing Accuracy: 69%
Shooting Accuracy: 63%

That's pretty good to be honest.

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:29 pm

Personally, £20 million on Henderson's the worrying purchase.

I like the direction Newcastle have gone, bought in some potentially good midfielders and a good striker in Ba. Definite mid-table bet for me.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:29 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Some more stats on Downing:

Aston Villa player of the year last year.
Assists: 7
Goals: 7
Passing Accuracy: 69%
Shooting Accuracy: 63%

That's pretty good to be honest.

It's one season though, Crimey.

It's the same with Joey Barton. People raved about him last year for his performances, but forget he was poor for the 3 seasons previous.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:31 pm

Sainty wrote:Personally, £20 million on Henderson's the worrying purchase.

I like the direction Newcastle have gone, bought in some potentially good midfielders and a good striker in Ba. Definite mid-table bet for me.

Henderson is a risk, but i think Adam falls into that bracket as well.

We need another Striker and a Centre Back.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:32 pm

Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

How can you to that, do you work at Newcastle FC HR Department?

Thats your opinion, but considering your Newcastle fan talking about a former Middlesborough player, think Ill take that with a pinch of salt

Plus you seem to have alot of knowledge or experience of bin dipping

Good comeback.

We have a wage cap of £50,000. Plus, i have a few 'ITK's' on twitter who confirmed. He'll be on around £40,000.

Nothing to do with him being Boro. He's never fulfilled his potential. He's stats were on SSN, 40% of crosses actually hit the target man. That'll help Carroll.

I dont know how SSN know who he is aiming for but if its 40% crosses completed thats pretty good and that would help Carrol immensly as you have pointed out. He is only 26 and heading into his prime now. Considering he was Villa's player of the year and the fact Arsenal tried to guizump us shows how highly he is thought of.

Never heard of Newcastle £50,000 salary cap, I think Nolan was on more and so is Barton aswell.

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:34 pm

Okay, what about this stat then...

421 - Since Aug 2004, only 4 players (Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard & Giggs) have created more PL chances than Stewart Downing. Craftsman.

135 - Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. Whip.

40 - Since August 2004, Stewart Downing & Steven Gerrard have both assisted 40 Premier League goals. Homologous.

by Mr H Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:35 pm

Liverpool have spent 84m on Carroll, Henderson, Adam & Downing.

That is the footballing equivilent of setting fire to money.

Liverpool are also 10/1 to win the Premiership. For those who dont understand betting, that means if you bet £10, you will lose £10.

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:35 pm

Clarke James wrote:
Sainty wrote:Personally, £20 million on Henderson's the worrying purchase.

I like the direction Newcastle have gone, bought in some potentially good midfielders and a good striker in Ba. Definite mid-table bet for me.

Henderson is a risk, but i think Adam falls into that bracket as well.

We need another Striker and a Centre Back.

Adam was around £8 million which is a bargain these days!

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:37 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

How can you to that, do you work at Newcastle FC HR Department?

Thats your opinion, but considering your Newcastle fan talking about a former Middlesborough player, think Ill take that with a pinch of salt

Plus you seem to have alot of knowledge or experience of bin dipping

Good comeback.

We have a wage cap of £50,000. Plus, i have a few 'ITK's' on twitter who confirmed. He'll be on around £40,000.

Nothing to do with him being Boro. He's never fulfilled his potential. He's stats were on SSN, 40% of crosses actually hit the target man. That'll help Carroll.

I dont know how SSN know who he is aiming for but if its 40% crosses completed thats pretty good and that would help Carrol immensly as you have pointed out. He is only 26 and heading into his prime now. Considering he was Villa's player of the year and the fact Arsenal tried to guizump us shows how highly he is thought of.

Never heard of Newcastle £50,000 salary cap, I think Nolan was on more and so is Barton aswell.

40% isn't that great for a winger. You'd expect 50+. His biggest attribute was actually his tackling.

Nolan took a wage drop to £40,000 when we went down. He wanted £50,000 per week and we offered an incentive based contract, he turned it down for £55k at West Ham.

Barton had no clause and is on £65k a week, won't take the pay cut. The wage cap is for new players and existing renewals. Ba is on about £40k.

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:52 pm

Wage cap, like CJ said, came in to place after the relegation and following promotion. Same as the under 26 policy as well.

Disagree about Downing though, he was more consistent than Young last season and it's a shame he's never been able to shine when given the chance internationally. If his delivery improves next season and he can ping a few balls in for Carroll, he's likely to make the most out of average deliveries so Downings stats could be quite pleasing.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:53 pm

Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:
Clarke James wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Marveaux is also known to be very injury prone

Yeah, didn't stop you bin dippers going in for him.

And choosing not to sign him when we knew about it...

Funny how one of the club doctors said he didn't have an injury. Still, i'm sure spunking £20 million on Downing eased your woes.....

Rather have a proven Premiere league winger all day long. Plus Marveaux wanted about £70,000 and Liverpool laughed at him, there had to but some mugs to pay him that

Whats a bin dipper

I can assure you we won't be paying him £70,000 a week.

Downing is the most over-rated player ever. You could've had Young for £3 million less. Probably got Johnson instead if you tried.

How can you to that, do you work at Newcastle FC HR Department?

Thats your opinion, but considering your Newcastle fan talking about a former Middlesborough player, think Ill take that with a pinch of salt

Plus you seem to have alot of knowledge or experience of bin dipping

Good comeback.

We have a wage cap of £50,000. Plus, i have a few 'ITK's' on twitter who confirmed. He'll be on around £40,000.

Nothing to do with him being Boro. He's never fulfilled his potential. He's stats were on SSN, 40% of crosses actually hit the target man. That'll help Carroll.

I dont know how SSN know who he is aiming for but if its 40% crosses completed thats pretty good and that would help Carrol immensly as you have pointed out. He is only 26 and heading into his prime now. Considering he was Villa's player of the year and the fact Arsenal tried to guizump us shows how highly he is thought of.

Never heard of Newcastle £50,000 salary cap, I think Nolan was on more and so is Barton aswell.

40% isn't that great for a winger. You'd expect 50+. His biggest attribute was actually his tackling.

Nolan took a wage drop to £40,000 when we went down. He wanted £50,000 per week and we offered an incentive based contract, he turned it down for £55k at West Ham.

Barton had no clause and is on £65k a week, won't take the pay cut. The wage cap is for new players and existing renewals. Ba is on about £40k.

Show me stats (+ source) of wingers who have more then 50% cross completion in the Prem.

Plus you seem to have ignored invincibleIlinks post of Downings stats

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 3:56 pm

I've found one source (A pro-Liverpool one) that has Downing's cross completion as below 25%?

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:01 pm

I'll find you some stats.

As for Crimey, i did respond....

It's one season though, Crimey.

It's the same with Joey Barton. People raved about him last year for his performances, but forget he was poor for the 3 seasons previous.

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

No Clarke, I responded to that with some stats that weren't just from last season.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Okay, what about this stat then...

421 - Since Aug 2004, only 4 players (Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard & Giggs) have created more PL chances than Stewart Downing. Craftsman.

135 - Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. Whip.

40 - Since August 2004, Stewart Downing & Steven Gerrard have both assisted 40 Premier League goals. Homologous.

This post Clarkey thumbsup

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:12 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Okay, what about this stat then...

421 - Since Aug 2004, only 4 players (Lampard, Fabregas, Gerrard & Giggs) have created more PL chances than Stewart Downing. Craftsman.

135 - Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. Whip.

40 - Since August 2004, Stewart Downing & Steven Gerrard have both assisted 40 Premier League goals. Homologous.

This post Clarkey

Source?

And the last stat doesn't say if anyone else has done so?

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:13 pm

Opta Sports statistics, which is used by Sky Sports and the BBC.

The last stat was just to showcase that Downing has been as productive in assisting goals as supposedly our main goal creator.

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:17 pm

Right...

Well Drogba has 58 since 2004, and he's a striker.

Young has 53 since 2006.

40 Assists in 7 years?

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:20 pm

Clarke James wrote:Right...

Well Drogba has 58 since 2004, and he's a striker.

Young has 53 since 2006.

40 Assists in 7 years?

Depends on how many games really not years

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:23 pm

In the 2008/2009 season he only managed 1 more assist than Ameobi!!!

by **Crimey** Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:23 pm

Still the same as one of our main contributers of the past 7 years Steven Gerrard.

by Fernando Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:25 pm

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:Still the same as one of our main contributers of the past 7 years Steven Gerrard.

just makes it seem like gerrard is either over-rated or injury prone.

by Guest Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:29 pm

http://www.anfieldindex.com/2985/player-profile-stewart-downing.html
24%

David Bentley, Damien Duff and Matthew Etherington are all three average wingers that probably have close to 35 since 2004? I like Downing but 40 assist in 7 seasons isn't a fantastic record- roughly 6 a season?

by Beer Thu 21 Jul 2011, 4:29 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
Clarke James wrote:Right...

Well Drogba has 58 since 2004, and he's a striker.

Young has 53 since 2006.

40 Assists in 7 years?

Depends on how many games really not years

Downing: 219 Games, 40 Assists
Drogba: 202 Games, 58 Assists
Young (since 2006): 177 Games, 53 Assists

Last season Young got more assists and the same amount of goals. Who was more consistent?

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Sat 23 Jul 2011, 1:16 pm

Why is Young coming into this? Its not like we didn't try and get him, he went to the Mancs. End of

At the end of the day, the actual cross or pass of ball could be fanastic but its only an assist when there is someone on the end finishing the chance.

He is in a better team now with players more likely to score from the chances he creates, hence more assists.

Lets judge him at the end of the season thumbsup

Like Marveaux if he doesnt get injured

by Beer Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:59 am

I brought Young into this to show how over-priced Downing was.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:23 am

Young had one year left on his contract, thats why he was cheaper.

If was either sell him now or let him go for nothing!

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