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How cr@p do England look when they send the ball to the backs? It's driving me crazy!

To be honest, both sides have been sloppy at the breakdown and it is making things messy.

Countnefarious wrote:How cr@p do England look when they send the ball to the backs? It's driving me crazy!

There are no good lines being run by anybody right now. Ashton is so missed already, but your centres! Pretty one-dimensional.

greybeard wrote:And be glad he didn't give a penalty try against you.

Yes the England scrum was basically on our try line he let us off there.

Actual commentary from my house: "Go on Banahan! Beautiful! Beautiful! OH TINDALL YOU USELESS TW@T!!!"

The gang tackle/maul. It's coming back! Very effective.

Countnefarious wrote:Actual commentary from my house: "Go on Banahan! Beautiful! Beautiful! OH TINDALL YOU USELESS TW@T!!!"

Countnefarious wrote:Actual commentary from my house: "Go on Banahan! Beautiful! Beautiful! OH TINDALL YOU USELESS TW@T!!!"

Hehe, yes Bannana did skip round North nicely there, lol.

Wales are going to conceede a try soon or have a man yellow carded, you can se it coming a mile off

Why can't they get the MS turf done!! 25 re-lays they say!! WTF

welshjohn369 wrote:Why can't they get the MS turf done!! 25 re-lays they say!! WTF

since 199 though, twice a year isnt too bad for a stadium that is used for multiple events. They have concerts and all sorts on that pitch.

Countnefarious wrote:Actual commentary from my house: "Go on Banahan! Beautiful! Beautiful! OH TINDALL YOU USELESS TW@T!!!"

It's people like you that means we're stuck with Barnes!

AlynDavies wrote:

welshjohn369 wrote:Why can't they get the MS turf done!! 25 re-lays they say!! WTF

since 199 though, twice a year isnt too bad for a stadium that is used for multiple events. They have concerts and all sorts on that pitch.

But it is still crap they do not get it right.

Massive pressure throw for Burns. Misses his jumper it could be 5 points.

welshjohn369 wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

welshjohn369 wrote:Why can't they get the MS turf done!! 25 re-lays they say!! WTF

since 199 though, twice a year isnt too bad for a stadium that is used for multiple events. They have concerts and all sorts on that pitch.

But it is still crap they do not get it right.

But do we know if that's good or bad? How many times have they re-layed Stade de France, Murrayfield, Lansdowne, Twickenham...?

greybeard wrote:

welshjohn369 wrote:

AlynDavies wrote:

welshjohn369 wrote:Why can't they get the MS turf done!! 25 re-lays they say!! WTF

since 199 though, twice a year isnt too bad for a stadium that is used for multiple events. They have concerts and all sorts on that pitch.

But it is still crap they do not get it right.

But do we know if that's good or bad? How many times have they re-layed Stade de France, Murrayfield, Lansdowne, Twickenham...?

But no other turf lifts like the MS

Henson off injured, Scott Williams on.

Well, my Welsh brothers, I think we may both be f#(ked for this WC.

ANOTHER wasted opportunity. Pi$$ poor by England.

Countnefarious wrote:Well, my Welsh brothers, I think we may both be f#(ked for this WC.

If we don't get our front row back we may well struggle I agree.
Though England have no other plan than to bash away at the defence.

Depressing

England look so, so impotent and predictable in the backs against an organised defence. This side won't win the thing unless they sort out their attack. This actually reminds me of the Scotland-Ireland game from last week.

the difference between the game this week is Wilkinson kept the England score board ticking over. Flood isnt doing that for England.

England really should of wrapped this game up by now.

Wales have defended very well, but I can't help think that a less toothless attack would have put away two tries by now.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH!!! Barnes just described England's attack as "limited". What an understatement.

If Wales peak in the second half, the way they did last week, we're gonna lose by about 20 points.

I can't help think if this wasn't a warm-up match they would have put another 12-15 points on through the boot grey.

Countnefarious wrote:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH!!! Barnes just described England's attack as "limited". What an understatement.

If Wales peak in the second half, the way they did last week, we're gonna lose by about 20 points.

It's possible but Wales are going to have a man carded soon, far too many penalties via English pressure.

Classic Barnes commentary....

"Their not being asked intellectual questions about where the ball is going next"

Good God.....

Good lord

The Welsh defense it magnificent no one can fault their effort.
Half time.

You have to say that if our defence weren't so good then be trailing by 20 by now. What can Wales do and what substitutions can we make to help us win the game?

Can you imagine NZ not scoring from a break like that? Awful.

This is... poor from England? Complete domination from 1-8. Nothing else, bar Care and Tindall finding gaps.

Another actual quote form my house: "JESUS FU(#!ng CHRIST!!!!!!!!"

Shane Williams has made three try saving tackles, who's have believed that.

But England is just poor at attacking, they keep on running straight, there is no imagination at all.

They should have been leading by at least 14 point by now.

Notch wrote: Care and Tindall finding gaps.

But what's the point in finding a gap if you take your own support runners by as much surprise? And Tindall was practically jogging when he went through, not really trying.

Artful_Dodger wrote:Classic Barnes commentary....

"Their not being asked intellectual questions about where the ball is going next"

Good God.....

Well, yes... thats one way of putting it.

nottins_jones wrote:You have to say that if our defence weren't so good then be trailing by 20 by now. What can Wales do and what substitutions can we make to help us win the game?

Well to be fair England have only 1 real tactic bash away with big men. They almost had 2 tried from brilliant bits of skill from Care and the one on the stroke of half time. But for the rest of the game, England have no creativity at all.

Wales Can;t make any real changes to turn the game. We need Phillips for his tackling, this isnt a Knoyle type of game.
Huw Bennett, Ryan Bevington, Josh Turnbull, Justin Tipuric, will only offer fresh legs to be honest, nothing they can contribute will change the course of the game.

greybeard wrote:

Notch wrote: Care and Tindall finding gaps.

But what's the point in finding a gap if you take your own support runners by as much surprise? And Tindall was practically jogging when he went through, not really trying.

I agree, those breaks were entirely due to gaps in the defensive line left by Wales. Tindall was resigned to not being able to make it halfway through and no-one on his shoulder! They haven't actually created anything.

Unbelievable they've managed to go in evens.

What happend to Gavin henson.

Wales are very good in defence at the moment, England are trying to keep the ball tight and spreading the ball at al.

Still 6-6 at half time, so all to play for in the second half.

HammerofThunor wrote:Good lord

I think you'll find this match has Satans signature all over it.

greybeard wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Good lord

I think you'll find this match has Satans signature all over it.

Wales's only hope is for England to tire badly, because we were counting on our fitness to make the difference.

Bennett might be a good replacement for Burns. We need a more solid scrum and a better lineout thrower.

Never thought I'd say that

majesticimperialman wrote:What happend to Gavin henson.

Shoulder injury maybe?

My only hope is that England's tactic is to knacker the players by tackling and then take off in the second half.

Not a great tactic in my opinion but better than the alternative

YEHAAAA!

Round 2 Quinell Vs Greenwood

Quinell piles in, England makes it easy. We need to be more active, Dummy runners, 40 minutes.

Greenwood on the attack, Quinbell cant win one.
Quinell can play, defend, win the match, ENNNNNNNNNNNNgland, all game, challange.
Greenwood hits back, goes for the juggular, and win!

Well.... Round 2 and we'll call that 1-1 so far.

Poetry in motion when you see Quinell talking with his hands and Greenwood trying to dodge them and Quinells spit.

Don't know if that's the tactic, but it certainly looks like what will happen.

Wales have defended well, but those tackles will tire them eventually. And it only takes one try for them to be in game chasing mode.

My gawd JCVD has aged.

Guess we can't win it then, we needed someone like Adam Jones and Ryan Jones or Bradley Davies on the bench. England WILL step it up in the 2nd half. Never thought i'd say it but perhaps bring Bennet on as he's better at hitting the jumper.

Charteris picking up where he left off... but for all his strengths he still can't handle pressure at the lineout.

greybeard wrote:Don't know if that's the tactic, but it certainly looks like what will happen.

Wales have defended well, but those tackles will tire them eventually. And it only takes one try for them to be in game chasing mode.

Exactly the same game to last week to be fair, the only real difference is Wilkinson isnt on the field to keep the score board ticking over. England hammered Wales in the first half last week.

The lack of crown noise is very worrying, Swing low is far more prominent than bread of heaven.