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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:06 am

Again, in order.

Plenty to choose from in this category and tbh I've gone with what I have seen, on the whole.

Marshall
McGrath
Barnes
Ambrose
Akram
Hadlee
Lillee
Trueman
Holding
Lindwall
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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:08 am

Steyn>Lindwall

Similar record but Steyn IMO has bowled to better batsmen and on flat pitches

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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:12 am

I did think of Steyn but he has a few years left in him yet.

Waqar Younis, Garner, Donald and a few others could have replaced a couple of these I guess.

To many choices.
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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:17 am

Stella wrote:I did think of Steyn but he has a few years left in him yet.

Waqar Younis, Garner, Donald and a few others could have replaced a couple of these I guess.

To many choices.

BUT He already has more wickets than Lindwall at a similar average but more fifers.And when you take into consideration the nature of pitches that he has bowled on and the way he has troubled the likes of Tendulkar you surely HAVE TO rate him above Lindwall.If Steyn retired today wouldnt he be rated higher than Lindwall?More wickets at a similar average,on flatter pitches.


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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 8:21 am

So Shanks.

What is your ten?
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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:17 am

I will tell later mate.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 15 Sep 2011, 9:53 am

Must admit that Steyn is a decent shout.
Only McGrath has a lower average among fast bowlers who've taken 100+ wickets in the period Steyn has been playing, and, among such bowlers, only McGrath, Steyn and Asif average under 25, with the rest averaging 28+.
Steyn also has, by far, the best strike rate.

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Post by Guest Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:01 am

not in any order just numbering them anyway

1)Trueman
2)Dale Steyn
3)Wasim Akram
4)Glenn McGrath
5)Waqar Younis
6)Malcolm Marshall
7)Courtney Walsh
8)Curtly Ambrose
9)Chaminda Vaas
10)Dennis Lillee

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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:19 am

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Must admit that Steyn is a decent shout.
Only McGrath has a lower average among fast bowlers who've taken 100+ wickets in the period Steyn has been playing, and, among such bowlers, only McGrath, Steyn and Asif average under 25, with the rest averaging 28+.
Steyn also has, by far, the best strike rate.

Yes, Steyn is a good shout and I wouldn't disagree to much with him being in anybody's top 10.

I nearly put waqar in due to his s/rate and his early career where he was awesome.
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Post by Guest Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:20 am

stella what do you think of my list?

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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:24 am

cricketfan90 wrote:stella what do you think of my list?

Vaas is an odd choice but who am I to criticise.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:29 am

tough one to narrow down to ten, but I'll try anyway

McGrath
Marshall
Holding
Wasim Akram
Garner
Trueman
Barnes
Hadlee
Ambrose
Lindwall

honourable mentions: Donald, Lillee, Spofforth, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, and too many others to go through here...

Actually Stella, having looked at yuor list it's the same with Lillee swapped out for Garner....

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:30 am

cricketfan90 wrote:not in any order just numbering them anyway

1)Trueman
2)Dale Steyn
3)Wasim Akram
4)Glenn McGrath
5)Waqar Younis
6)Malcolm Marshall
7)Courtney Walsh
8)Curtly Ambrose
9)Chaminda Vaas
10)Dennis Lillee

wouldn't have Vaas in there. Great bowler, but top ten ahead of Lindwall, Holding, Hadlee? Can't see it...

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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 15 Sep 2011, 10:36 am

where would Jimmy rank?
in the top 30 maybe?

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Thu 15 Sep 2011, 11:21 am

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:where would Jimmy rank?
in the top 30 maybe?

Top 50 maybe.

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Post by LondonTiger Thu 15 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

Based purely on the players I saw, decade specific shortlist:

70s
Lillee
Roberts
Holding
Garner
Willis

80s
Marshall
Botham
Van der Bijl
Imran
Hadlee
Kapil Dev

90s
Wasim
Waqar
Donald
Ambrose
Walsh

00s
McGrath
Steyn


And my top 10 in order from best:

Garner
Marshall
Lillee
Holding
Wasim
Hadlee
McGrath
Donald
Willis
Waqar

Note: Pretty sure that once his career is over, Steyn will have made this list.

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Post by Stella Thu 15 Sep 2011, 2:17 pm

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I'm surprised you have Garner top.
Awesome bowler though.

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Post by Liam_Main Thu 15 Sep 2011, 3:55 pm

In no particular order

Marshall
McGrath
Steyn
Wasim
Barnes
Holding
Hadlee
Donald
Garner
Trueman
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Post by Guest Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:26 am

im suprised donald is in there mate

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Post by Leff Mon 19 Sep 2011, 2:10 pm

I see what's coming up..
top ten spinners, top ten captains, top ten tail-enders, top ten medium-pacers, top ten defense players, top ten 12th men, top ten nightwatchmen...

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Post by Stella Mon 19 Sep 2011, 2:11 pm

Leff wrote:I see what's coming up..
top ten spinners, top ten captains, top ten tail-enders, top ten medium-pacers, top ten defense players, top ten 12th men, top ten nightwatchmen...

Great idea, Leff Smile
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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 4:59 pm

Leff wrote:I see what's coming up..
top ten spinners, top ten captains, top ten tail-enders, top ten medium-pacers, top ten defense players, top ten 12th men, top ten nightwatchmen...


How could you miss top 10 haircuts! Malinga for no.1
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Post by guildfordbat Mon 19 Sep 2011, 6:40 pm

Liam_Main wrote:How could you miss top 10 haircuts! Malinga for no.1

Another contender here would be Australian test cricketer Colin Miller. He was better known for regularly changing the colour of his hair than his bowling. In a test match against the West Indies in 2001, Courtney Walsh had to take time to compose himself and stop laughing when he saw Taylor's dyed blue hair! Very Happy

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Post by GG Mon 19 Sep 2011, 6:51 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:not in any order just numbering them anyway

1)Trueman
2)Dale Steyn
3)Wasim Akram
4)Glenn McGrath
5)Waqar Younis
6)Malcolm Marshall
7)Courtney Walsh
8)Curtly Ambrose
9)Chaminda Vaas
10)Dennis Lillee

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Haven't really seen footage of many old fast bowlers but my ten in no particular order would be:

Malcolm Marshall
Michael Holding
Joel Garner
Curtly Ambrose
Glenn McGrath
Dennis Lillee
Wasim Akram
Imran Khan
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 6:56 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Liam_Main wrote:How could you miss top 10 haircuts! Malinga for no.1

Another contender here would be Australian test cricketer Colin Miller. He was better known for regularly changing the colour of his hair than his bowling. In a test match against the West Indies in 2001, Courtney Walsh had to take time to compose himself and stop laughing when he saw Taylor's dyed blue hair! Very Happy

Yeah i've seen a video of that! laughing

Certainly would be up there.
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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:21 pm

You lads and lasses will need to bear with me, I fear, since the extent of my knowledge of cricket is limited to having played quite a bit at school, and that was the best part of forty years ago.

Anyway, as somebody who aspired to be a fast bowler I was always fascinated by the ability of Lillee's partner, Bob Massie, to swing a ball on a humid day.

Not suggesting he's a top ten pick, but an honourable mention, perhaps ?

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:37 pm

Nice to see you posting on here Windy.

Massie only played a few test matches which is a shame because he was a brilliant bowler. Not the ruthlessness and pace of Lilee but his swing and control could put any batsman worrying.
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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:38 pm

Certainly could be something like the case of Graeme Pollock.
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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:40 pm

Thank you, Liam.

I'm afraid that what I know about cricket could be written on the end of a cricket bat handle, so I just wanted to see how you experts rated Massie.

Remember Pollack very well. Bowled off the wrong foot, didn't he ?

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:42 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:Thank you, Liam.

I'm afraid that what I know about cricket could be written on the end of a cricket bat handle, so I just wanted to see how you experts rated Massie.

Remember Pollack very well. Bowled off the wrong foot, didn't he ?


Pollock was a batter mate, your thinking of Mike Procter who bowled off the wrong foot.
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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:46 pm

That's the one, Liam.

Ah well, this was an interesting thread, but I dare say that before I make myself look an even bigger idiot I'll skulk off back to the boxing board where I actually know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening, folks.

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Post by Fists of Fury Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:46 pm

Jesus, Windy makes his cricketing board debut at the ripe old age of 104. Go easy on him, fellas, he once got WG Grace out LBW.


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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:50 pm

Not quite, Fists.

The appeal was turned down.

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:51 pm

Easily mixed up Windy. You too mate.

Umpires in them days, hey!
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Post by Fists of Fury Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:52 pm

Shame, you could have been someone.

Anyway, my last 2 comments have involved a put down to you, so I'll scuttle off back under my rock now and find something to be constructive about Wink

In all seriousness, it'd be good to see you post here more often if you have even a remote interest in cricket.

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:53 pm

Too right, Liam.

Now I really am off. Thanks for going easy on me, lads and lasses. What a nice bunch you are to treat an old halfwit so well.

Have a great evening, one and all.

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Post by HumanWindmill Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:54 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Shame, you could have been someone.

Anyway, my last 2 comments have involved a put down to you, so I'll scuttle off back under my rock now and find something to be constructive about Wink

In all seriousness, it'd be good to see you post here more often if you have even a remote interest in cricket.

Why thank you, Fists.

I owe you two. Watch your back.

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 8:55 pm

You mean compared to the boxing section Windy? Wink
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Post by Guest Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:05 pm

McGrath surely has to be the best of the lot.

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:06 pm

McGrath or Barnes/Marshall
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Post by Leff Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:51 pm

Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Roberts
Walsh
Garner
Bishop
Croft
Hall
Gilchrist

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:58 pm

Roy Gilchrist and Colin Croft?
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Post by Guest Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:58 pm

relle leff??

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:59 pm

Roy and Colin were very respectable bowlers but not world class by any means.
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Post by Leff Mon 19 Sep 2011, 10:00 pm

Maybe I should have picked Sylvester Clarke instead of Croft so we could have two mean mean fellas (Gilchrist being the other) throwing beamers. laughing

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Post by Leff Mon 19 Sep 2011, 10:04 pm

So, I see that my ten had something in common.

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Post by Liam_Main Mon 19 Sep 2011, 10:05 pm

Is that in order btw Jeff?
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Shocked?
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Post by Leff Mon 19 Sep 2011, 10:14 pm

IMO, among the great WI bowlers of the golden era (76-92), Marshall, Holding and Ambrose were the best, and with different styles. Garner was also quite different in that it was hard to score runs. Roberts bowled lethal bouncers. Bishop was lively too.

OK now, if we also consider the ones outside the Caribbean, this is my top ten:

Marshall
Holding
Ambrose
Lindwall
Lillee
Trueman
Barnes
Akram
Hadlee
Procter/Steyn

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