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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 2:35 pm

who are the best 10 part time bowlers, who have bowled and taken wickets in test cricket over the past 10 years?

this is my list what is yours..(not in order, just numbering them)

1)Kevin Piertsen (off spin) has chipped in with crucial wickets over the past few years, the most crucial prob being michael clarke at adelaide during the ashes. ( 5 test wicket at 144) The average is abysmal, but the wickets are crucial

2)Virender Sehwag (off spin) (39 test wickets at 42)

3)Thillian Samaweera (off spin) (15 wickets at 45)

4)Ricky Ponting (medium pace and off spin) Most famous wicket probably was Michael Vaughan during 2005 ashes bowling seam up, he can also bowl off spin as seen in sri lanka (5 wickets at 52) average is poor but has taken crucial wickets

5)Mohammad Hafeez (off spin) (18 wickets at 34)

6)Michael Vaughan (off spin) (6 wickets at 93) could hold up an end

7)Sachin tendulkar (offies, leggies, seam up) (45 wickets at 53)

8)Michael Clarke (slow left arm) (21 wickets at 40) best of 6-9

9)Younis Khan (leg spin and medium pace) (7 wickets at 58) has bowled effectively with the new ball and old ball

10)Graeme Smith (off spin) (8 wickets at 104)

before anyone says that its only players i have seen, it says in the title of the last 10 years.

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Post by Stella Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:02 pm

Paul Collingwood?
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:05 pm

Simon Katich?

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Post by Stella Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:12 pm

Chris Gayle?
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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:37 pm

colly and gayle are allrounders not part timers.

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Post by Stella Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:41 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:colly and gayle are allrounders not part timers.

Colly didn't bowl that much in tests. He was a part timer.
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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:46 pm

well thats a matter of opinon lol, i class him as an allrounder.

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Post by Stella Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:53 pm

Sehwag has bowled a lot more overs than Colly in tests.
Neither is a test allrounder, IMO.
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Post by Liam_Main Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:54 pm

Surprised no Katich.
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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:55 pm

lol im sorry but imo colly is an allrounder, but its only my opinon, we debate thats what this place is for

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Post by GG Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:57 pm

Katich, Dilshan, Raina, North, Ryder

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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 3:58 pm

ryder is an allrounder, as is dilshan.

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Post by Stella Tue 20 Sep 2011, 4:01 pm

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Ryder an allrounder?
He's taken 5 wickets at 56.
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Post by gboycottnut Tue 20 Sep 2011, 4:02 pm

What about Mark Ealham?

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Tue 20 Sep 2011, 4:16 pm

tough one with this is defining what a "part-timer" means exactly. How regularly does someone have to bowl to be considered an all-rounder rather than a part-timer? For what it's worth, here's my list.

Simon Katich - much underrated as a bowler, picked up some crucial wickets, and always surprised he didn't bowl more.

Paul Collingwood - CF has him as an all-rounder, but I don't think he bowled regularly enough for that (in tests). Picked up some key wickets, but his main role was getting through a few overs cheaply so England's main strike bowlers could rest.

Virender Sehwag - Shastri called him "India's best off-spinner" once. has a five wicket haul, and a more than capable bowler.

Mark Butcher - just about qualifies for this (last ten years). Useful swing bowler when the conditions were helpful, and I remember him bowling some offies on occasion too, famously bowling Kirsten for 275 after the latter had painstakingly equaled Cullinan's SA record (since then surpassed by Graeme Smith).

Michael Clarke - famously took 6-9 once, has the useful ability to chip in with the odd wicket here and there.

Mohammad Hafeez - again not too sure if this guy is a genuine all-rounder or not, but I've included him anyway. Took the new ball against the WI recently.

Dilshan - only 24 wickets in 70-odd tests qualify him as a part-timer in my book; Recently outbowled Randiv in the Australia series.

Sachin Tendulkar - his mixture of all sorts has always had the potential to make life uncomfortable for the batsmen.

Mohammad Ashraful - his offies have picked up some useful scalps over the years.

Suresh Raina - India's best spinner on the recent England tour.

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Post by GG Tue 20 Sep 2011, 4:56 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:ryder is an allrounder, as is dilshan.

not in tests

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Post by Liam_Main Tue 20 Sep 2011, 5:13 pm

Dilshan and Ryder aren't all-rounders in Tests. Part-timers at best.
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Post by JDizzle Tue 20 Sep 2011, 6:25 pm

Well, Sachin Tendulkar should have bowled more in the recent Test series in England. I don't know if he doesn't like bowling anymore, or whether Dhoni just doesn't turn to him and doesn't like doing it but he should bowl more!

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Post by Liam_Main Tue 20 Sep 2011, 6:28 pm

At the grand old age of 38 you wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to bowl anymore.
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Post by JDizzle Tue 20 Sep 2011, 6:30 pm

Yeah, it is a good point. If he feels stopping bowling will preserve his batting then he is fully right to do it!

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Post by Liam_Main Tue 20 Sep 2011, 6:32 pm

Very true. Least thing he needs to worry about is his bowling.
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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011, 7:18 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:tough one with this is defining what a "part-timer" means exactly. How regularly does someone have to bowl to be considered an all-rounder rather than a part-timer? For what it's worth, here's my list.

Simon Katich - much underrated as a bowler, picked up some crucial wickets, and always surprised he didn't bowl more.

Paul Collingwood - CF has him as an all-rounder, but I don't think he bowled regularly enough for that (in tests). Picked up some key wickets, but his main role was getting through a few overs cheaply so England's main strike bowlers could rest.

Virender Sehwag - Shastri called him "India's best off-spinner" once. has a five wicket haul, and a more than capable bowler.

Mark Butcher - just about qualifies for this (last ten years). Useful swing bowler when the conditions were helpful, and I remember him bowling some offies on occasion too, famously bowling Kirsten for 275 after the latter had painstakingly equaled Cullinan's SA record (since then surpassed by Graeme Smith).

Michael Clarke - famously took 6-9 once, has the useful ability to chip in with the odd wicket here and there.

Mohammad Hafeez - again not too sure if this guy is a genuine all-rounder or not, but I've included him anyway. Took the new ball against the WI recently.

Dilshan - only 24 wickets in 70-odd tests qualify him as a part-timer in my book; Recently outbowled Randiv in the Australia series.

Sachin Tendulkar - his mixture of all sorts has always had the potential to make life uncomfortable for the batsmen.

Mohammad Ashraful - his offies have picked up some useful scalps over the years.

Suresh Raina - India's best spinner on the recent England tour.

suresh raina is an awful test bowler, even as a part timer, he is good in limited overs cricket but in tests, he got smashed around

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Post by Liam_Main Tue 20 Sep 2011, 7:21 pm

Raina's better than half of Indians spinners. So if he's bad than christ knows what there like.

He's a better part- time spinner than Tendulkar and Sehwag.
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Post by ShankyCricket Tue 20 Sep 2011, 8:03 pm

Cf
you just cant say it is only my opinion and wind up others.
someone made a fair point by showing you statistically that sehwag is a better test bowler than colly.
so would you care to explain why you think otherwise?
Apart from sehwag's lower bowling average he also has 2 or 3 fifers.Colly has none.
so would you plz care explain the logic behind your opinion?

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Post by LondonTiger Wed 21 Sep 2011, 7:42 am

Shane Warne.

In between drug bans, playing poker, liposuction, botox, tweeting and shagging Liz Hurley he managed to bowl a little bit.


Being serious, anyone who was a good part time bowler probably gets ranked as an all-rounder. In the last 10 years Kallis has been a batsmen who bowled sometimes (he always seemd rather unwilling a few years ago). SA have used him as a part time bowler - but we will classify him as an allrounder.

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Post by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 21 Sep 2011, 1:14 pm

Are we counting Watson as an all rounder?
North was often picked as the frontline spinner, he might be rubbish but he ws a but more than a part time bowler in the side.

Collingwood Id call very much an all rounder in limited overs but was only a fill in changeover bowler for tests.

I wouldnt have Pietersen in the list, 5 wickets at 144 should disqualify him!


Is Raina always as bad as he was against England?

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Post by Guest Wed 21 Sep 2011, 5:26 pm

yes peter he is in test cricket, raina is useful limited overs bowler, but his test bowling is useless.

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Post by LondonTiger Wed 21 Sep 2011, 5:40 pm

I thought in the tests against England Raina looked a better bowler than Mishra.

However Mishra looked the better batsman.

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Post by Liam_Main Wed 21 Sep 2011, 5:52 pm

Weird how things go like that LondonTiger.
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Post by Guest Wed 21 Sep 2011, 6:53 pm

mishra looked very useful with the bat to be honest.

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Post by Liam_Main Wed 21 Sep 2011, 7:08 pm

Could well be a genuine all-rounder or even a batting one.
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Post by Liam_Main Wed 21 Sep 2011, 7:09 pm

Still a way to go to prove himself as either though.
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Post by Guest Wed 12 Oct 2011, 10:21 am

mishra wont be a genunie all rounder, cos he cant bowl.

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Post by dummy_half Wed 12 Oct 2011, 2:42 pm

All this talk about Indian spinners brings up the question of whether Harbijan should be considered a batsman or a batting all-rounder based on recent Test form.

To be honest, I think the last 10 years has rather seen the death of the part time bowler other than perhaps as someone to fill in for 5 overs and just prevent the scoreboard going crazy.
20 years ago you had the likes of Gooch and the Paksitani bastman (Mudrassar Nazar) who could be a challenging bowler in suitable conditions and would have matches where they'd take 3 or 4 wickets, but now it seems only the specialist bowlers are capable of getting a decent batsman out.

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Post by liverbnz Wed 12 Oct 2011, 3:05 pm

Vaughan used to be very good in his younger days for Yorkshire but injuries put paid to that coming through at international level.

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Post by Stella Wed 12 Oct 2011, 3:11 pm

Gatting was ok, he did once got rid of Martin Crowe.

Atherton was like Vaughan. A decent enough part time spinner but had problems with injuries.
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Post by Guest Thu 13 Oct 2011, 2:01 pm

dummy_half wrote:All this talk about Indian spinners brings up the question of whether Harbijan should be considered a batsman or a batting all-rounder based on recent Test form.

To be honest, I think the last 10 years has rather seen the death of the part time bowler other than perhaps as someone to fill in for 5 overs and just prevent the scoreboard going crazy.
20 years ago you had the likes of Gooch and the Paksitani bastman (Mudrassar Nazar) who could be a challenging bowler in suitable conditions and would have matches where they'd take 3 or 4 wickets, but now it seems only the specialist bowlers are capable of getting a decent batsman out.


erm: JP Duminy, KP, Sachin Tendulkar, etc, there is plenty of decent part timers still around.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 14 Oct 2011, 11:45 am

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Sachin has taken 45 wickets in 181 Tests - one wicket every 4 matches.
Pietersen has 5 wickets in 78 tests - one wicket every 15 matches

I'm not saying they are awful bowletrs, but more that batsmen have got better at playing this type of non-specialist bowler. I'd argue that Bopara (for example) is a better bowler in absolute terms that Gooch ever was, but RB has proven entirely ineffective at Test level whereas Gooch was sometimes very useful.

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Post by ReallyReal Fri 14 Oct 2011, 1:28 pm

Sachin, just like Vaughan and Atherton was a useful part-timer until a minor injury prevented him from bowling anything at all for a year or so, he then had the simple choice, continue being a useful part-timer and risk more injuries, or give it up (unless the team has no other options) and bat forever.

On a side note, it may be quite a while ago, but Sir Viv was a really useful part-timer as a youngster, one of those who if he'd practised more, he may have become a true allrounder, the same as Warne, but with him it was his batting obviously and IMO, Broad fits into this category too.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Fri 14 Oct 2011, 5:35 pm

Stella wrote:Gatting was ok, he did once got rid of Martin Crowe.

Atherton was like Vaughan. A decent enough part time spinner but had problems with injuries.

Martin Crowe opened the bowling for New Zealand a couple of times (in Sri Lanka IIRC - there were some injuries amongst the seamers). Before knee problems kicked in he was a useful fast-medium 3rd seamer.
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Post by msp83 Fri 14 Oct 2011, 6:18 pm

Chris Gayle, even in test, has to be considered an all-rounder.
But Paul Collingwood and Dilshan, are regular parttimers.
Sachin Tendulkar, Has turned a few test matches with the ball. Kolkata 01, and Adelaide 03 among them.
Simon Katich is another one. Injury prevented him bowling much, but he was good as a parttimer.
Virender Sehwag also, like Sachin, has turned test matches with the ball, again, the 07 Australia tour comes to mind.
The Australian captain Michael Clarke has had moments with the ball, particularly against India, ones picking 6 for 9, and in the sydnygate match, got 3 in an over to finish the drama off.
Sourav Ganguly did a decent job, even opening the bowling at times.
Remember Michael Vaughan bowling Sachin Tendulkar with an absolute ripper when Tendulkar was batting on 92.

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Post by Guest Sat 15 Oct 2011, 8:26 pm

dilshan is an allrounder.

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Post by Stella Sun 16 Oct 2011, 5:33 am

Kiwireddevil wrote:
Stella wrote:Gatting was ok, he did once got rid of Martin Crowe.

Atherton was like Vaughan. A decent enough part time spinner but had problems with injuries.

Martin Crowe opened the bowling for New Zealand a couple of times (in Sri Lanka IIRC - there were some injuries amongst the seamers). Before knee problems kicked in he was a useful fast-medium 3rd seamer.

I remember Crowe being classed as almost an allrounder when he first came into your side. Injuries unfortunately ruined him as a bowler and then as a batsman.
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Post by Stella Sun 16 Oct 2011, 5:35 am

Going back to the 1980's, Border once took 7 wickets in an innings.
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Post by msp83 Sun 16 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

cricketfan90 wrote:dilshan is an allrounder.
Chris Martin is the best batsman of his generation!.

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Post by Guest Tue 18 Oct 2011, 11:01 am

dilshan is an allrounder, look at the amount of overs he bowls, and he is better than a part timer

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Post by Stella Tue 18 Oct 2011, 12:14 pm

24 wickets in 71 tests suggests he is a part timer.
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Post by Guest Tue 18 Oct 2011, 12:18 pm

he's getting better, and no longer is he a part timer.

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Post by Fists of Fury Tue 18 Oct 2011, 12:19 pm

Part timer, in my opinion. Hardly threatening in Test matches when batsmen aren't forced to play shots against him.

Anyway, I notice the input of some of you fine fellows is missing from both the ODI discussion that is up and the central contracts discussion, they're both topics that it'd be good to get a general opinion on as I'm really not sure in either case.

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