You Cannot Keep Blaming The Referee???

by majesticimperialman Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:23 am

Every time your team loses a game. Take the Scotland game today, yes i do agree that Contapomi was off side, but it was not Wayne Barnes fault that he did not spot it, Barnes had his back turned at the time.

That off side should of been picked up by the lines man/touch judge but it wan't.

Maybe this is a case for the TMO to get invloved, should the TMO be able to inform the ref that an off side offence as been commited,If the lines man / touch judge did not spot such an offence?

Maybe this is something to consider after this rugby world cup when they bring in the new rules, especialy if a SH team does not win the RWC.

Do you agree or disagree?

by **Biltong** Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:29 am

I defenitely agree with you. If any person wants to blame the referee then they need to check for every infringement their team got away with as well.

The only way a team avoids a 50/50 scenario is to not be in the compromising situation in the first place, now I know it isn't possible in tough games but all teams lose matches and their fans can go "pick" a penalty somewhere.

Just doesn't wash for me.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:30 am

Who was blaming a referee, majestic?

by **Biltong** Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:32 am

Unlucky Scotland
by dragonator Today at 12:40 pm

.Your World cup is probably end next week even if you beat England. The points difference will be your downfall. Wayne Barnes make a refereeing blunder at the end and the Scottish should of have a penalty straight in front of the posts. The Argentinians were ridiculously offside.

by majesticimperialman Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:34 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Who was blaming a referee, majestic?

If you read some of the post on here, they are saying that Barnes missed Contaponi being off side.

The ref cannot be in 2 places at once, that is why they have linesman touch judges, to help the ref out, so if they missed it maybe, maybe it was not/or did not look like he was off side.

by Redrage Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:37 am

Referees and assistanat do make too many mistakes, but it was our own mistakes that cost us today, more than anything else! We are slowly improving, but the SRU could be doing more.

by mckay1402 Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:27 am

most people have been acknowledging that Scotland should have put the game to bed before that. Yes it was a mistake by the ref but ultimately we lost the game by not finishing chances.

by lostinwales Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:30 am

Watch it again - watch what Contemponi is doing - it might just be that he is watching for when the ball comes out and maybe he knows what Scotland are going to try. He starts running the moment when the scrum half starts to pick the ball up. Given where Barnes is looking (at the ruck) then if it is offside the linesman should pick it up, but its marginal at best not 'miles'.

And as for the DG attempt itself its failure wasnt down to the doc.

by hawalsh Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:34 am

From what I've read here today, it's not been the Scottish supporters that have been blaming the ref for the loss, they've been very honest about why they failed to close out the match.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:45 am

Haven't seen a Scotland fan on here blaming Barnes for the defeat. I think it's mainly Kiwis still smarting from 2007, hoping to pick up on another Barnes error.

It was a big mistake, but Scotland can only blame themselves. We should never have needed those 3 points. On going 6 points clear, we should have caught the restart, killed a couple of minutes with a few physical pick and drives, then used Parks' boot to clear the lines. We could have done that and closed out the game, but we didn't. We gifted Argentina possession, Morrison failed to trust Jim Hamilton and left his man, the overlap was exploited and CP missed the cover tackle. All our own fault and lack of concentration.

Barnes had a good game I thought, other than that one mistake. A couple of dodgy scrum calls, but those went both ways. As for the mistake, it wasn't just Barnes of course, his touch judge could also have raised a flag, although I do think Barnes should have been policing the offside better. It was quite clearly going to be a drop goal opportunity, and refs are supposed to be hot on the offside rule in this tournament. It was a pretty basic error from the officials.

by GLove39 Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:00 am

Frustrating end to the match, and yes Cinterpomi was offside which was missed by Barnes and all the touch judges.

However Scotland needed to be wiser , at the end of the game we were too naive and not clinical enough. When we had the ruck, the forwards needed too secure the ball better, go for a few more drives infield and allow Dan to be properly in the pocket.
Blair really disappointed me, I expected better from a former captain and someone with 70+ caps. It was obvious the Pumas were always going to go for the charge therefore Blair should have dummied the pass ala Matt Dawson 2003 style, caught the Pumas offside, who would have to have retreated. Allowing Blair to give the pass to a perfectly positioned Parks...

by doctor_grey Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:15 am

I agree the offsides should have been caught by the touch judge/assistant referee. Barnes was in the right place, watching the ball coming out of the ruck. It is for situations exactly like this that the touch judges/assistant referees are there. Bad miss by whomever was on the opposite touch line.

by Gatts Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:24 am

Here is the future for technology controlled sport...

The ref calls it as he sees it, no decisions or referrals are made during the game regarding the awarding of points and after the final whistle a computer audits and reviews all the plays and potential scores and comes up with a point allocation and a decision as to who won.

by majesticimperialman Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:29 am

Gatts wrote:Here is the future for technology controlled sport...

The ref calls it as he sees it, no decisions or referrals are made during the game regarding the awarding of points and after the final whistle a computer audits and reviews all the plays and potential scores and comes up with a point allocation and a decision as to who won.

I dont like the sound of that.

by bathmad Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:21 pm

lostinwales wrote:Watch it again - watch what Contemponi is doing - it might just be that he is watching for when the ball comes out and maybe he knows what Scotland are going to try. He starts running the moment when the scrum half starts to pick the ball up. Given where Barnes is looking (at the ruck) then if it is offside the linesman should pick it up, but its marginal at best not 'miles'.

And as for the DG attempt itself its failure wasnt down to the doc.

In which case he's not offside as the moment the SH's hands are on the ball, he's in play.

by funnyExiledScot Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:56 pm

He started running long before Blair put his hands on the ball. Blair should have left the ball well alone and pointed out Contempomi's run to the ref, then passed as soon as Barnes instructed the Pumas to retreat, exactly as Dawson did in 2003. It's a textbook play, and Blair fluffed his lines.

by kiakahaaotearoa Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:18 am

Oh yes I can. Especially if that ref is Barnes. ghost

Anyone know when GG gets back from his sinbinning. Won´t take him long to end up on this post me thinks.

by nathan Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:24 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote: Oh yes I can. Especially if that ref is Barnes.

Anyone know when GG gets back from his sinbinning. Won´t take him long to end up on this post me thinks.

didnt know he had been sinbinned, wondered why the chat was a bit more normal than usual! Very Happy

by flyhalffactory Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:30 am

lostinwales wrote:Watch it again - watch what Contemponi is doing - it might just be that he is watching for when the ball comes out and maybe he knows what Scotland are going to try. He starts running the moment when the scrum half starts to pick the ball up. Given where Barnes is looking (at the ruck) then if it is offside the linesman should pick it up, but its marginal at best not 'miles'.

And as for the DG attempt itself its failure wasnt down to the doc.

Are you mad?

You can watch it a 100 times and it will not change the fact that Contepomi was so close to Desperate that he could have done the Military Two Step with him and got marks out of ten for it.

Contepomi began his run before Blair even got his hands on the ball, he was close to 2m offside and whilst Blair made a pigs ear of the pass Parks couldn't have punted on his right.

That is not the reason or an excuse that we lost the game though. Tumbleweed

by Gatts Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:46 am

Fellas

1. Tape shows Contepomi offside
2. Barnes didn't see it as he was poorly placed. A line judge coudl not have called that nor do i believe is that his role
3. Scotland lost the game when they, somewhat typically, lost concentration int he last 10, took a dg to go 12-6 when there was pen awarded and they should have gone for the try, and then let the Argentine winger bend them over

by nganboy Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:41 pm

Didn't the Argies miss quite a few kicks that they should have gotten? Wouldn't that have made a difference? Did Scotland lose it or did Argies win it?

by aucklandlaurie Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:58 pm

Scotland didnt look like they could create a try unless it was an intercept.

by Boyne Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:47 pm

Contepomi was not offside when the Scottish SH had the ball in his hands. The SH delayed passing the ball because one of the Scottish props was ambling his way back and cut off the SH's line to the OH.

No offside.

by caoimhincentre Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:44 pm

Boyne wrote:Contepomi was not offside when the Scottish SH had the ball in his hands. The SH delayed passing the ball because one of the Scottish props was ambling his way back and cut off the SH's line to the OH.

No offside.

Spot on. they showed it on RTE in slow motion. He was definitely on side.

Secondly even if he was off side it should have been the Touch judges call, they are the ones who were instructed by Paddy O'Brien to manage the off side line.

by Boyne Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:46 pm

To be fair though I haven't heard many (if any) Scotsmen complaining about it...

by caoimhincentre Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:26 pm

True again boyne

by funnyExiledScot Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:24 pm

Of course - we're not New Zealanders you know!

by HammerofThunor Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Plenty of Scotland fans have complained about it but not a single one that I've seen has even suggested that the loss was due to the 'mistake'.

There was one article on Barnes by a Welsh fan and few others have suggest Barnes cost Scotland the game but none have been Scottish.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:12 pm

To be fair though how many scotiish people actually post on here? 5?
Of a percentage how many didnt blame the ref in some way before qualifying that with "but Parks is a dick"

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:18 pm

PSW, there's loads of us, but we're very quiet and unassuming!!!

by Hound_of_Harrow Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:04 pm

caoimhincentre wrote:
Boyne wrote:Contepomi was not offside when the Scottish SH had the ball in his hands. The SH delayed passing the ball because one of the Scottish props was ambling his way back and cut off the SH's line to the OH.

No offside.

Spot on. they showed it on RTE in slow motion. He was definitely on side.

Secondly even if he was off side it should have been the Touch judges call, they are the ones who were instructed by Paddy O'Brien to manage the off side line.

Contepomi has gone on record admitting he went offside because the ref had his back him. Then went for Parks' right side to make the drop difficult.

Still, there have been worse decisions/non-decisions.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:34 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:PSW, there's loads of us, but we're very quiet and unassuming!!!

Ah Id heard youd all started dressing as empty seats for Magners games Wink

by HammerofThunor Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:36 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:PSW, there's loads of us, but we're very quiet and unassuming!!!

You're Scottish?!

Whistle

by funnyExiledScot Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:40 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:PSW, there's loads of us, but we're very quiet and unassuming!!!

Ah Id heard youd all started dressing as empty seats for Magners games

There's not that many of us......

by red_stag Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:40 pm

Asbo - you should get like us Irish. You can't but notice us whether you'd like to or not Smile

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:43 pm

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:
caoimhincentre wrote:
Boyne wrote:Contepomi was not offside when the Scottish SH had the ball in his hands. The SH delayed passing the ball because one of the Scottish props was ambling his way back and cut off the SH's line to the OH.

No offside.

Spot on. they showed it on RTE in slow motion. He was definitely on side.

Secondly even if he was off side it should have been the Touch judges call, they are the ones who were instructed by Paddy O'Brien to manage the off side line.

Contepomi has gone on record admitting he went offside because the ref had his back him. Then went for Parks' right side to make the drop difficult.

Still, there have been worse decisions/non-decisions.

Just because he thought he might be offside doesnt mean he was. You think hed sat down and studied the tape in detail for that moment or just heard the media outpourings that he was?
I havent so Ill sit on the fence but it wouldnt be the first time a decision has been assumed wrong and proven not to be after a million re watches ( Cuetos 11 point try for exapmle). It certainly looked offside at the time but who knows.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:52 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:PSW, there's loads of us, but we're very quiet and unassuming!!!

You're Scottish?!

Naughty Thunor?!?! Laugh

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:19 am

Wayne Barnes should drop the E from his forename and adopt KER as his surname - cause that is what he is. Robinson and Townsend are too but we all knew that.

by Gatts Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:21 am

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Wayne Barnes should drop the E from his forename and adopt KER as his surname - cause that is what he is. Robinson and Townsend are too but we all knew that.

stunning analysis

by lostinwales Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:53 am

Could be worse - at least the games which Barnes refs are watchable. Watched any games with Bryce Lawrence as ref yet?

by Great White Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:30 pm

Sports fans have asked Scotland that if they cannot be good can they at least be unusual. After a rugby world cup defeat to Argentina that was predicted in cave paintings from around 12,000 BC, many are now wondering whether Scotland could at least try to be dangerously bad at beach volleyball or even ping-pong.

While Eskimos may have 50 words for snow, Scots have more than 800 words for abject humiliation. There's 'goalkeepered', 'Gazzafied', 'Perued', 'utterly-Brazilianed', 'last-minuted' and now 'Argentinised'.

There comes a point at which it would be easier if the headline was a just a special symbol, like the Batman logo, but for total failure. The rest of the article could be just a big photo of somebody pale, looking hacked off.

Sport Scotland has now pledged to use its £4 annual budget to look at new activities for Scotland's 37 and a half athletes in the hope that, by some genetic freak, one of them turns out to be good at something.

The Scottish football team has already been given a surfboard and are currently trying to turn it into a bar. Meanwhile Scotland's top cricketers were asked to leave the Commonwealth Pool in Edinburgh after using it to deep fry a giraffe they had stolen from the local zoo.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:49 pm

Great White wrote:Sports fans have asked Scotland that if they cannot be good can they at least be unusual. After a rugby world cup defeat to Argentina that was predicted in cave paintings from around 12,000 BC, many are now wondering whether Scotland could at least try to be dangerously bad at beach volleyball or even ping-pong.

While Eskimos may have 50 words for snow, Scots have more than 800 words for abject humiliation. There's 'goalkeepered', 'Gazzafied', 'Perued', 'utterly-Brazilianed', 'last-minuted' and now 'Argentinised'.

There comes a point at which it would be easier if the headline was a just a special symbol, like the Batman logo, but for total failure. The rest of the article could be just a big photo of somebody pale, looking hacked off.

Sport Scotland has now pledged to use its £4 annual budget to look at new activities for Scotland's 37 and a half athletes in the hope that, by some genetic freak, one of them turns out to be good at something.

The Scottish football team has already been given a surfboard and are currently trying to turn it into a bar. Meanwhile Scotland's top cricketers were asked to leave the Commonwealth Pool in Edinburgh after using it to deep fry a giraffe they had stolen from the local zoo.

Andy Murray is British not Scottish right?

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