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Post by Alessandro Ciambella Thu 06 Oct 2011, 11:50 am

Bonjourno!

I know why England are so far behind the rest of the world when it comes to International Football success.

International super powers like Brazil and Spain have exported their talent all over the world. Barcelona have bought back most of the Spanish talent now, but the fact that some of them gained experience at other international clubs helped improve these players dramatically.

Look at the French World Cup team. How many of these players were in the French league and how many improved by playing abroad?

Brazil has talent in Europe, Asia, Africa and all over South America. There players when called together have experience of playing all over the world and can use their wealth of experience to counter any tem they play against.

Even Holland, Argentina, Belgium, Portugal and Ivory Coast export more talent abroad than England. Why is this?

Is it because of the money? Probably! Are our players so lazy that they can’t be bothered to learn another language? Likely! Are we convinced that anywhere else in the world except the Premier League is a step down? Most defiantly!

England has now got a league now dominated by International talent from all corners of the globe and there is no room for Overate, over paid and under played English talent. The time has come to flood other leagues with our English players. Take the pay cut like Joe Cole and experience over seas play. Develop as a player and bring this to the International set up.

The only players I have ever seen leave England and do well are David Beckham, Paul Ince, Steve McMananan and Michael Owen. That is it.

English players need to play abroad. Its time to slash wages here and stop the comfy life style and get them out there for work experience. Brazilians are not afraid, neither or the Argies or the rest of Europe. Why is England? WHY!?

Forza International Teams with Players Abroad!

Forza Italy!
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Post by Crimey Thu 06 Oct 2011, 5:02 pm

While I do think there may be something in the idea that English players being stuck in England may have a detrimental effect, I don't think it is as important as you are making out.

A few other points as well:

- Joe Cole won't have taken a pay cut as he has only moved on loan, with Liverpool paying the difference if Lille aren't paying it all. Also, I doubt he'll stay abroad anyway.

- Brazil have struggled internationally for the past 7 years at the very list, underperforming at the last two World Cups being the best example of this.

- The core of the Spanish side, of Casillas, Puyol, Pique, Ramos, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, Pedro and others have spent their entire career in Spain, and most at the same club which would seemingly argue against your own point.

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Post by Duty281 Thu 06 Oct 2011, 6:30 pm

Moving abroad wouldn't help. The English Premier League is the greatest in the world followed closely by La Liga. The other leagues are way behind. In what way would moving to a worse league help English players?

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Post by Guest Thu 06 Oct 2011, 6:35 pm

Didn't Italy win the World Cup in 06 with every player playing at home?

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Post by legendkillar Thu 06 Oct 2011, 8:25 pm

There seems to be this notion that because Spain have won the World Cup and Euro Championship, that they will dominate.

What nonsense!

Look at France as your example. Won World Cup and Euro Championship with some great players, yet did nothing after that. Managed one World Cup final.

Brazil. Last 2 World Cups failed miserably. Granted they win the Copa America. Largely down to other nations under-performing massively.

Look at other countries Holland, Germany, Italy. Well Italy the less said the better. Holland are really running out of time to win anything with their squad.

Germany are on the rise slowly. Young squad that can play together for a few years.

England have had problems, but the youngsters coming through look fantastic. Not all is doom and gloom.

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Post by super_realist Thu 06 Oct 2011, 8:33 pm

Duty281 wrote:Moving abroad wouldn't help. The English Premier League is the greatest in the world followed closely by La Liga. The other leagues are way behind. In what way would moving to a worse league help English players?

The English Premiership might be "the greatest league", but it's got very little to do with any of the English players within it. Think of it not as moving to a lesser league but moving to a league where teams play differently.
English players on the international stage clearly lack basic skills,, patience, discipline, imagination and the ability to play together as a team believing the hype built up around their "individual brilliance" by the gutterpress.


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Post by The Galveston Giant Thu 06 Oct 2011, 10:23 pm

Plus the foriegn players which make the league so great come from different countries with different styles of football, i think it's a reasonable point. The English media never learn or don't want to, yes the English premier is a great league but wouldn't be without foriegn players and managers.
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Post by Thomond Fri 07 Oct 2011, 8:13 am

Spain have been doing great at underage level for some time though. If only 2/3 players from those teams graduate you have 6 new players.

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Post by Riggs Sun 09 Oct 2011, 2:23 pm

I'd like to stress that the one thing England need to do to be a success in football is quite simply not to fear but to respect and play fearlessly! devil

Otherwise there's simply no point in focusing on giving it a go.

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Post by Doon the Water Sun 09 Oct 2011, 6:30 pm

England have always played with fear.
It is because of their fickle fans and media.

Any team that sacks Bobby Robson due to the pressure of its fans will never succeed.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 12 Nov 2011, 7:38 pm

erm rubbish pal- look at the spainish and german squads.

and the premier league is the most multicultural therefore is like 5 leagues in one. we havent done well enough for a few reasons but not the one you mention.

the spainish team has allways preffered home players over ones that play elsewhere- although they have had the odd prem player and still do- they are allways on the bench.

SPAINS STRENGTH and why there are good is due to the complete opposite of your point-its the majority playing club football together at BARCA, playing together in the same team week in week out has aided them 10 fold!

the same thing happens with the german team- bayern muich!

englands team got to an ok level due to a good man u presence- a semi and a few quarters, we did have the occasional bad decision in cups- but we did ok overall-0 not great but ok.

lets hope the top teams keep buying english- then its all good.

basically what i am saying to you OP- You couldnt be MORE wrong

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 12 Nov 2011, 7:40 pm

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English players need to play abroad. Its time to slash wages here
and stop the comfy life style and get them out there for work
experience. Brazilians are not afraid, neither or the Argies or the rest
of Europe. Why is England? WHY!?"


erm its not about being afraid- its about the obvious fact you mention- MONEY. they leave because they isnt the money in there leagues- there is money in our league- is it clear yet!!

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Post by The Galveston Giant Mon 14 Nov 2011, 11:57 am

Why did people wait until England beat Spain in a friendly before posting on this thread.
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Post by mystiroakey Mon 14 Nov 2011, 9:07 pm

The Galveston Giant wrote:Why did people wait until England beat Spain in a friendly before posting on this thread.

it doesnt take a genius to work that out- An england game comes along- people watch it0 they then check out the football forum- people on here mainly post on cricket,rugby or golf. We havent waited we have just come on here- It would be nice to get this football board up so lets not complain

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