Is bad back a gimmick by Fed

Is bad back a gimmick played by Fed so that he could retire b4 the match against Tsonga and hence not face Rafa b4 AO? or is it a gimmick such a way to counter the shoulder problem gimmick by Rafa?

Or is Fed really having a back problem which could rule his chances of winning the AO this year?

I suspect its a gimmick in either of the two cases.

Did you just declare war?

Well we need some controversial yet un-biased threads, so i decided to raise a genuine question and wait for the likes of SA and troop to give us the final answer , for some reason Amrit is missing in the boards today

Btw wats ur answer LF ?

@LF , well we had enough peace time for some action

Well good to get the exucuses in now. He hasn't won a slam since my granny lost her last teeth so no expectations there. He just makes up the numbers in slams. Nadal was quick to put in his shoulder gimmick already which apparently started before the WTF.
He should tank the match against Tsonga for his own good.

invisiblecoolers wrote:Btw wats ur answer LF ?

He has always had back issues, and they will get worse. Lendl had to retire due to a bad back.

Earlier in the week, he confessed that he has gritted his teeth through plenty of aches and pains in the past. “My body, even if it’s injured, it can still play really well,” he explained.
“Whereas maybe other players, if they are injured, it doesn’t work any more. But that’s because I play offensively.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/8913499/ATP-World-Tour-Finals-2011-Roger-Federer-has-health-warning-for-rivals-as-he-cruises-past-Mardy-Fish.html

invisiblecoolers wrote:well we had enough peace time for some action

We will see enough action at AO.

@ SA, I gotta go with ur views, I guess Fed not interested in this tournament and preparing his excuses for his match against Tsonga, most likely he will lose to avoid Rafa in the finals.

May be if Rafa would have lost today the back problem would have not occurred

invisiblecoolers wrote:Is bad back a gimmick played by Fed so that he could retire b4 the match against Tsonga and hence not face Rafa b4 AO? or is it a gimmick such a way to counter the shoulder problem gimmick by Rafa? ...

I think a bad back trumps a bad shoulder. Let's see how the Rafa camp respond. I would have thought a fever plus a bad shoulder would trump a "bad back". Hence expect to see Rafa wearing that special top that causes him to sweat profusely over the next day or two

hahahaha, good one NS , yea they could bring back that heavy shirt sweating gimmick to convince Rafa has fever shoulder ache etc,.

The french opponents gonna get confused whats happening

Nore Staat wrote:

invisiblecoolers wrote:Is bad back a gimmick played by Fed so that he could retire b4 the match against Tsonga and hence not face Rafa b4 AO? or is it a gimmick such a way to counter the shoulder problem gimmick by Rafa? ...

I think a bad back trumps a bad shoulder. Let's see how the Rafa camp respond. I would have thought a fever plus a bad shoulder would trump a "bad back". Hence expect to see Rafa wearing that special top that causes him to sweat profusely over the next day or two

Poor Fed, he doesn't make a fuss very often - I think we should accept this one

Bad backs are painful but usually muscular...shoulders can be more of a worry as they are the most complex joint in the body. However, its probably muscular with Rafa as well. Not sure we can compare bodily injuries so easily.

Yes TP, Federer doesnt get injured often - he manages his body extremely well, always has (with the aid of modern science of course!).

lydian wrote:Bad backs are painful but usually muscular...shoulders can be more of a worry as they are the most complex joint in the body. However, its probably muscular with Rafa as well. Not sure we can compare bodily injuries so easily.

Yes TP, Federer doesnt get injured often - he manages his body extremely well, always has (with the aid of modern science of course!).

Is that a throwing down of the gauntlet I see before me Lydian?

PS It was the comment in brackets I was referring to........I have tin hat on and have taken refuge under dinner room table!

TP, if you so chose to pick up said gauntlet

I was merely making reference to BEMER gadget The FedMeister likes to use, as discussed here.
"Roll out the magnetic mattress" - Times Online
www.timesonline.co.uk

I dont subscribe to The Times but the article starts..."So Roger Federer has a secret weapon. It stands to reason. Rarely is he injured or below par in fitness despite his rigorous schedule on the tennis tour. It has been suggested widely on the web – though not by any medical practitioner - that one element that contributes to Federer’s supreme physical condition is his alleged use of bio-electric-magnetic technology. He is said to be one of a number of athletes and sports teams that carry a portable pulsed magnetic therapy unit on tour. According to Bemer, who make the unit, and sporting professionals such as Karin Mobes, Federer’s Swiss compatriot and world winter triathlon champion, it enhances performance, aids faster regeneration and helps to prevent injuries. Bemer stands for bio-electric-magnetic-energy-regulation and is a completely non-invasive alternative treatment for a whole host of injuries and ailments from arthritis to psoriasis. The technology is licensed in Germany and manufactured in Lichtenstein. It works like this:"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/alternative_medicine/article7068678.ece

EDIT: This also....

"Of course, Roger Federer is a gifted athlete, but could he have a secret weapon that gives him an edge on the tennis court? You might be surprised to know that Roger Federer makes use of gadget called a BEMER. This is a portable pulsed magnetic field device which speeds healing of muscle and tendons after tough tennis matches."
http://www.mynewsletterbuilder.com/tools/view_newsletter.php?newsletter_id=1409618906

Infact...I see we have had this discussion before TP on 5 Sep 2011

Yeah I know - of course I didn't think you were suggesting that the Fedmeister was indulging in nefarious activities............

I am, however, still sitting under dining room table with tin hat on waiting for a Lydian and Tenez conversation!!!!

s to both you and Tenez - I enjoy them, learn a lot from them but I will be sitting at a safe distance before I've had at least another two cups of coffee! :

Well they do say Federer has a magnetic personality...

lol TP, I think Tenez and I have reached a mutual understanding - we just dont agree with each other
We'd probably get on better if I wasnt a Nadal fan.

If you're making coffee, mine's a Rosabaya Nespresso please

Is that a pink capsule? I have decaff nespresso (kept for wimpy best friend!!), vivalto lungo, Arpeggio and Ristretto - any of those do you?

How did I function without my nespresso machine - my life can definitely be divided into two parts: pre nespresso and post..................oh, and the joys of 'working' from home, and I use that term loosely

time please wrote:Is that a pink capsule? I have decaff nespresso (kept for wimpy best friend!!), vivalto lungo, Arpeggio and Ristretto - any of those do you?

I used a BEMER machine to treat my vivalto lungo.

lol...yes its pinkish...sounds good - I go for the mid-range vivalto please?

I also have the two Red decaff's (matt and gloss - those arent the two brothers out of 80s band Bros BTW), vivalto (of course), Volluto, Cosi (for those who like it weak...coffee and weak seem an oxymoron to me), and a dark green one I cant remember the name of! I bought the Nespresso Aerochino machine from Selfridges a couple of days back too...makes fantastic milk for the latte's or cappuccino's, you must get one!

I bought my machine about 8 yrs when you really felt part of an exclusive club...now they're doing ads with George Clooney and opening stores in the Trafford Centre!

Oh....you're "working" from home hey? So there's absolutely no way you could accidentally switch on the TV to watch FedMeister vs Songer later?

Could be a tough match that one...you wont need any Nespresso to keep you wired through that one I suspect!

JuliusHMarx wrote:I used a BEMER machine to treat my vivalto lungo.

That's quite enough of that sort of talk from you Julius - I am still haunted by the vision of you with the masseur and the tennis raquet!!! And no nespresso capsule in the world can make it go away

Lydian wrote:h....you're "working" from home hey? So there's absolutely no way you could accidentally switch on the TV to watch FedMeister vs Songer later? Wink

Could be a tough match that one...you wont need any Nespresso to keep you wired through that one I suspect!

Unfortunately Broadband chooses not to work in front of TV, so depends on what stage 'work' is at. Think I will be flitting, particularly if Fed in pl*nker mode!!!! Seriously I like Tsonga - why does he have to beat up TMF sometimes - it's not nice! You're quite right - definitely will be wired enough!

In the meantime - cheers!

There were war cries on the board last year after it was revealed Djokovic uses a Pressure chamber for improving circulation, boosting oxygen rich red blood cells amongst others. Federer also uses modern technology. Who would have thought so? I had the impression, Mirka just massages him every night and his body is as good as new.

It is free to watch on the ATP website TP

time please wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:I used a BEMER machine to treat my vivalto lungo.

That's quite enough of that sort of talk from you Julius - I am still haunted by the vision of you with the masseur and the tennis raquet!!!

It was a stringing machine not a racket. Now I know why the call them Hurricane Pro.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

time please wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:I used a BEMER machine to treat my vivalto lungo.

That's quite enough of that sort of talk from you Julius - I am still haunted by the vision of you with the masseur and the tennis raquet!!!

It was a stringing machine not a racket. Now I know why the call them Hurricane Pro.

you are incorrigible Sir!



Hey Legend - thanks, but don't tempt me......going to sign off in a minute and try to rush what I'm doing through and see if I can legitimately sneak off for a bit!

Well, I know which player has a negligable record of retiring with injury, so if he's gone because of that I'd say it must be kosher.

Pretty obvious really.

lydian wrote:Bad backs are painful but usually muscular...shoulders can be more of a worry as they are the most complex joint in the body. However, its probably muscular with Rafa as well. Not sure we can compare bodily injuries so easily.

Yes TP, Federer doesnt get injured often - he manages his body extremely well, always has (with the aid of modern science of course!).

But not including blood platlet treatment or anything to do with "specialist" Spanish doctors with shady records.

lol BB...chill out, I was making an obvious statement - ALL modern top tennis players use techniques of modern science to manage their bodies on what is a grinding tour. We have moved beyond leeches, the rubbing of dock-leaves and Deep Heat spray you know

BTW - PRP, like BEMER machines, is not against WADA rules and has been deemed to be not performance enhancing. Its a small injection into the joint, not an uploading of large blood volume into the whole vascular system - it only merely accelerates the healing power of what the body can achieve on its own anyway. Thats why its not really conceptually different to the BEMER machine...quicker healing.

Federer withdraws from Doha 2012.

as expected Fed withdraws

TP you made the gimmick thread a coffee thread .

Anyways I think its a master move by Fed not to play Tsonga, first of all he is not 100% fit and secondly he doesnt wanna lose to Nadal before AO and ofcourse doesnt wanna show his game plan againsst Rafa before AO. I am pretty sure Fed and Annacone have worked some strategies for Rafa if they are said to meet in AO finals.

Fed is playing his cards clear, dont show the trumps till AO be it exhibitions or 250's.

Unless back problem is real serious right now, i see this as gimmick and they have worked some strategy for AO.

Well your theory is comforting IC, but I fear it is anno domini just beginning to creep up on the Mighty One.

Still, it's been a great run, and it's hopefully not the end yet.

yea, hopefully, one side i want him to retire rather than taking humiliation against the player whom he beats at midnight sleep at prime years, on the otherside i like to see him play coz tennis without him is unimaginable.

Lets hope he bring his best to table come AO

Let's hope he does indeed IC

The good thing of the bad thing is that the Streak continues

In my view it's not really a proper streak if there's a mid-tourney w/o in the middle of it.

Agreed BS , lets talk about Rafa streak, coz the loss today against Monfils dont count either as Rafa is unfit, now here are the questions

1]how many times has Rafa lost when he is fit?
2]whats the streak?

invisiblecoolers wrote:Agreed BS , lets talk about Rafa streak, coz the loss today against Monfils dont count either as Rafa is unfit, now here are the questions

1]how many times has Rafa lost when he is fit?
2]whats the streak?

1. Never
2. A novelty record by Ray Stevens

JuliusHMarx wrote:

invisiblecoolers wrote:Agreed BS , lets talk about Rafa streak, coz the loss today against Monfils dont count either as Rafa is unfit, now here are the questions

1]how many times has Rafa lost when he is fit?
2]whats the streak?

1. Never
2. A novelty record by Ray Stevens

, you got the apple pie for the correct answer

Simple_Analyst wrote:Well good to get the exucuses in now. He hasn't won a slam since my granny lost her last teeth so no expectations there. He just makes up the numbers in slams. Nadal was quick to put in his shoulder gimmick already which apparently started before the WTF.
He should tank the match against Tsonga for his own good.

And Andy's got a bad knee!! Or is it his groin?

I've also heard that the conditions at Melbourne are more dusty than ever and the local health authorities have put out a special alert, for those attending, who are asthma sufferers. So I suppose we need to factor in Nole's forthcoming "breathing difficluties" when he goes out in the second round to Tomic, Raonic or Harrison - given that these youngsters are now so much better than him and Andy

@Banbro is that the reason our good old GJ missed in these forums?