19 international class kiwi fly halfs: any ideas.

Aprrently we have 19 1st fives capable of challanging for the England team (http://talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/aviva-premiership/northern-hemisphere-getting-bashed-again). I'm guessing it's a bit of a urine take. However I am curious as to who they might be. Can anyone name 19 professional kiwi no. 10's:

blackcanelion wrote:Aprrently we have 19 1st fives capable of challanging for the England team (http://talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/aviva-premiership/northern-hemisphere-getting-bashed-again). I'm guessing it's a bit of a urine take. However I am curious as to who they might be. Can anyone name 19 professional kiwi no. 10's:

I read the orginal article, and they were counting Quade Cooper as a kiwi #10 . And I'm sure it was 10 #10s not 19

At a guess,
Carter
Cooper
Cruden
Slade
Evans
Sopoaga
Barrett
Bleyendahl
Anscombe
Mike Harris
Hobbs
Berquist
Weepu
Donald
Delaney
Pisi

There's 16 "Kiwi" 10s of varying abilities. Anyone got 3 more?

Kiwi

If thats off the top of your head thats pretty impressive!!!

But Harris? isn't he ozzy?
Cooper might be whatever he is but commited and can not challenge anything! Neither can Slade, Weepu, Donald, Cruden, Carter etc...

Lets go to semi proffesional, there are prob some who stand a chance at an England call up!

thebluesmancometh wrote:Kiwi

If thats off the top of your head thats pretty impressive!!!

But Harris? isn't he ozzy?
Cooper might be whatever he is but commited and can not challenge anything! Neither can Slade, Weepu, Donald, Cruden, Carter etc...

Lets go to semi proffesional, there are prob some who stand a chance at an England call up!

That was off the top of my head - it helps that I did some research a few weeks back for my Super XV preview. The original article was talking about players talented enough to play for England, not qualified to play.

Harris is NZ-born, playing at the Reds. I suspect he's well on the way to being dual-qualified.

I forgot about Kirkpatrick at the 'Canes, and that bloke who got the sack from the Force for raiding his team-mates' lockers.
If I include utilities who've played 10
Toeava,
Lachie Munro,
Tom Taylor

Gopperth (sorry GeordieFalcon) and McAllister?

LondonTiger wrote:Gopperth (sorry GeordieFalcon) and McAllister?

Nice work, I forgot them too.

Oh and i am sure that Grant Fox and Andrew Merhtens could still make a passable living up her

Foxy's getting on a bit (I still remember the day at Uni when I bumped into him in the hallway of my flat at 4am, he'd pulled my flatmate ). Mehrts is still playing 3rd division rugby in France though.


Carter
Cooper
Cruden
Slade
Evans
Sopoaga
Barrett
Bleyendahl
Anscombe
Mike Harris
McAllister
Hobbs
Berquist
Weepu
Donald
Delaney
Pisi
Goppeth
Munro
Kirkpatrick
Nacewa
Toeava

are probably the top 22 "Kiwi" #10s playing professionally. While I don't think they'd all be challenging for England berths were they qualified most of them would slot pretty comfortably into teams in the Jeff

Oh talented enough to play...

Ben Blair is probably still in with a shout then

thebluesmancometh wrote:Oh talented enough to play...

Ben Blair is probably still in with a shout then

I didn't know he'd ever played 10

Must be a urine take

Carter - world class
Cruden - maybe
Slade - maybe
Evans - world class
Sopoaga - nah
Barrett - very good
Bleyendahl - meh
Anscombe - very good
Mike Harris - ok
McAllister - very good 10 (world class 12)
Hobbs - crap
Berquist - crap
Weepu - crap (at 10)
Donald - meh
Delaney - crap
Pisi - crap
Goppeth - average aviva prem player
Munro - crap
Kirkpatrick - crap
Nacewa - bad 10
Toeava - bad 10

Bowden?

Bathite wrote:Bowden?

I forgot about him too.

Funny thing about Bowden is he might well end up playing for England. But with Lancaster in charge i doubt he would pick him, which is a good thing IMO

What about the old Blues 10 as well, who went to Japan? Can't remember his name, but was really flakey in defence

Bathite wrote:What about the old Blues 10 as well, who went to Japan? Can't remember his name, but was really flakey in defence

Stephen Brett. Him I've been trying to forget

I think Bowden has been signed to mainly play at 12 and cover 10. Tigers have Flood and Ford at 10 but only Allen at 12 (though Forsyth is coming through well). If Bowden starts to play regularly for England he may find that his Tigers contract is not renewed.

Bathite

Blues or Blues?

KRD

I've seen him cover the position every now and then, his conversion rate is up there with the best, out of hand excellent and an excellent runner ball in hand.

He might not have played 10 much but he has enough talent to play there for England

What about the ex Dragons 10, the current Japanese int 10, Arlidge, is he Kiwi or ozzy?

Auckland blues mate and the fella is Stephen Brett. I only count 3 or 4 that I'd have in an EPS squad though. Carter and Evans for sure, maybe Cruden and Slade, but not sure they are better options than Flood, Ford, Heathcote

thebluesmancometh wrote:Bathite

Blues or Blues?

KRD

I've seen him cover the position every now and then, his conversion rate is up there with the best, out of hand excellent and an excellent runner ball in hand.

He might not have played 10 much but he has enough talent to play there for England

What about the ex Dragons 10, the current Japanese int 10, Arlidge, is he Kiwi or ozzy?

Arlidge is a Kiwi. Good provincial player, never really starred at Super Rugby level

thebluesmancometh wrote:Bathite

Blues or Blues?

KRD

I've seen him cover the position every now and then, his conversion rate is up there with the best, out of hand excellent and an excellent runner ball in hand.

He might not have played 10 much but he has enough talent to play there for England

What about the ex Dragons 10, the current Japanese int 10, Arlidge, is he Kiwi or ozzy?

Not regularly though. Overall a very hit and miss kicker.

Ah Brett, did he go to Japan after? I didn't thoroughly hate him like a lot of people did.

Carter sails into TH let alone 10. Slade and Cruden definately, I disagree with Evans, he is decent but I don't see all the fuss. And yes I see him all the time.

On his Bath form I think Donald too.

Also for all the hype on Ford I think he's pretty ok. He's good at goal and out of hand but he is far from Floods ability at present, and the likes of Lambie puts him into perspective!

Got to give Arlidge credit for the WC though he was excellent.

Not so great for the Dragons though!

Tasesa Lavea - born in NZ played for under NZ 21s, played tests for the NZ league team and for Manu Samoa at the WC. Plays for Sale I think.

Flutey is a good fly-half and has played for England. Surely he's the best candidate?

Morgannwg wrote:Flutey is a good fly-half and has played for England. Surely he's the best candidate?

Tony Brown.. have boots will travel/play
T.J.Perenara.Wellington.
Chris Noakes..Highlanders.

Didnt Mike Harris play last year for North harbour? where he shared the job with Frano's son.

Also the boy that got the sack from the Western Force for pinching his team mates wallets from the changing sheds a couple of months ago, he was in the outer Maori squad.

I'm sure John Hayes could fill in at 10. He played in New Zealand once upon a time.

Benji Marshall and James OConner might be useful. Pretty tenuous but I'll take them.

Gopperth is getting a bit desperate given hes not even good enough for the worst team in the premiership

Perenara is a half back
Willy Ripia is the crim that got sent home in disgrace - he was also fairly hopeless.

Kiwireddevil wrote:

thebluesmancometh wrote:Oh talented enough to play...

Ben Blair is probably still in with a shout then

I didn't know he'd ever played 10

He has done when the regular n10 has been injured or binned in a game.

I remember it happening at least once - so that counts

You could do a lot worse at 10 than Blair (eg. Sam Norton Knight, Ceri Sweeney, Dan Parks) + Blair is a better kicker than most 10s.