Alvarez v Kirkland

Apparently this is going to be Alvarez next opponent. Personally, I thought he looked good v Mosely, and was amazed by Shanes chin as he took a some savage shots.

Alvarez v Kirkland would be a great matchup and I hope it gets made. Canelo KO for me.

Canelo KO 6-9

Still waiting for Erislandy Lara to get his chance although it seem him and Rigondeaux have had their fifteen minutes of fame.

Canelo by early KO, Kirkland seems so vunerable early doors that it's inevitable he'll get caught.

I'll second you on that, Sean. Canelo really impressed be v Mosely. If Canelo lands the same shots he did v Mosely on Kirkland, I can't see him lasting the distance.
Obviously though, Kirkland can bang, though quite crude. What's Canelo's chin like? Hasn't taken too many shots when I've seen him.

Another step up for Canelo,

Kirkland is one dimensional but has a lot of power. Canelo took shots from mosley, Kirkland should be able to land a couple bog shots. Kirkland may have been losing the Molina fight, but had the momentum and was hitting Molina more with every round.

Both are entertaining so it should be a good fight. Canelo KO round 9 after being hurt early

Canelo early KO I think. I'm still of the opinion that Lara and Molina would beat both of these two though. Lara vs Kirkland would be a real short painful night for Kirkland.

I had a feeling this fight would happen. Punchers chance for Kirkland but thats about it I think.

Would like to see Lara in the mix more he's been left out for obvious reasons, did he not only have his first fight since Williams a few weeks ago, missed it anyways but sure he was good.

At last. Great match-up. Canelo will have t prove himself against a ranked fighter. Yes Kirkland is vulnerable and from what I've seen from Canelo, he should take him out early. But if it goes past 3 rounds, anything can happen.

Kirkland should warm up by getting punched and shaken up. Pretend he's entering the fight in the 4th and duke it out. Canelo is also chinny so should be fun to watch.

What would it take to convince you that Canelo is not chinny out of curiosity? Or will the Cotto fight forever condemn him as being glass jawed?

Manos, i've never known a young fighter be condemned so much for being slightly rocked by one punch, not as if he was knocked out or it's a common occurrence.

manos de piedra wrote:What would it take to convince you that Canelo is not chinny out of curiosity? Or will the Cotto fight forever condemn him as being glass jawed?

I dont want to go through this again, but Cotto is a lightweight and he badly rocked Canelo. I will put that in the chinny category. Just my take on it.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Manos, i've never known a young fighter be condemned so much for being slightly rocked by one punch, not as if he was knocked out or it's a common occurrence.

You like him and you don't want to hear any criticism of one of your favourites. That#s about the long and short of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fl6j0XDlY

1 min 19 secs into the vid, he's not sightly shaken but badly wobbled. Didn't look a big punch either.

Credit to him for recovering quickly.

He was what? 18 years old and at welterweight when he was hurt by Cotto? Hes obviously grown and improved since then and most likely to continue to do so. Im just curious as to what would have to happen for you to consider him no longer chinny. If Kirkland doesnt put him over or rock him will you change your mind?

manos de piedra wrote:He was what? 18 years old and at welterweight when he was hurt by Cotto? Hes obviously grown and improved since then and most likely to continue to do so. Im just curious as to what would have to happen for you to consider him no longer chinny. If Kirkland doesnt put him over or rock him will you change your mind?

That may be the case. But I dont think your chin improves with age. Your experience does.

If Kirkland lands and he doesn't put him over, then I will take it back.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:He was what? 18 years old and at welterweight when he was hurt by Cotto? Hes obviously grown and improved since then and most likely to continue to do so. Im just curious as to what would have to happen for you to consider him no longer chinny. If Kirkland doesnt put him over or rock him will you change your mind?

That may be the case. But I dont think your chin improves with age. Your experience does.

If Kirkland lands and he doesn't put him over, then I will take it back.

If your a kid its bound to. Alvarez was a teenager. By the time hes filled out as a man I would imagine hes alot stronger and sturdier.

He isn't one of my favourites at all but deem it fanciful to condemn a young man based on one punch. Personally think he loses to all of Mayweather, Cotto, Lara and Molina.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:He was what? 18 years old and at welterweight when he was hurt by Cotto? Hes obviously grown and improved since then and most likely to continue to do so. Im just curious as to what would have to happen for you to consider him no longer chinny. If Kirkland doesnt put him over or rock him will you change your mind?

That may be the case. But I dont think your chin improves with age. Your experience does.

If Kirkland lands and he doesn't put him over, then I will take it back.

If your a kid its bound to. Alvarez was a teenager. By the time hes filled out as a man I would imagine hes alot stronger and sturdier.

His chin has not been tested since then.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He isn't one of my favourites at all but deem it fanciful to condemn a young man based on one punch. Personally think he loses to all of Mayweather, Cotto, Lara and Molina.

I am not condemning him. He is a very good boxer. Very exciting. But he got badly rocked by a fat lightweight.

Mosley landed a lot without rocking Canelo once, I'm fairly confident that he hits a lot harder than Cotto.

Don't forget the weight may have been an issue when Cotto rocked him, he is looking a lot stronger at the current weight and is taking shots a lot better.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:He was what? 18 years old and at welterweight when he was hurt by Cotto? Hes obviously grown and improved since then and most likely to continue to do so. Im just curious as to what would have to happen for you to consider him no longer chinny. If Kirkland doesnt put him over or rock him will you change your mind?

That may be the case. But I dont think your chin improves with age. Your experience does.

If Kirkland lands and he doesn't put him over, then I will take it back.

If your a kid its bound to. Alvarez was a teenager. By the time hes filled out as a man I would imagine hes alot stronger and sturdier.

His chin has not been tested since then.

It has. Maybe not by a concussive puncher, but my biggest criticism of Canelo so far has been hes not the hardest to hit. Rhodes, Hatton and even Cinton and Mosley landed on him with no lasting effect.

hampo171 wrote:Mosley landed a lot without rocking Canelo once, I'm fairly confident that he hits a lot harder than Cotto.

Don't forget the weight may have been an issue when Cotto rocked him, he is looking a lot stronger at the current weight and is taking shots a lot better.

The weight was an issue when Cotto rocked him. Cotto was a fight lightweight. The weight was not an issue for Canelo though.

You know that for certain do you?

Yes I do. I'm taking a leaf out of your book by passing my opinion as fact.

Until I see him against a live opponent and taking one on the chin without too much of a chicken dance, then my opinion will remain.

Do you feel the need to turn every discussion into a personal tirade?

I personally would consider a shot to pieces Mosley to be a far bigger puncher than Cotto but I suppose being past his best means he has no power either.

Called this one 3 weeks back, I'm starting to feel like some mystical boxing analyst.

Anywho, this fight is a real good match up. I'm a little shocked at the amount of people who think this will be an easy night for Alvarez. Kirkland has a high motor and despite his chin, can take punishment to dish it...

Alvarez doesn't throw enough, Kirkland could swarm him.

I think if Kirkland can handle the early rounds he will go on to win via late KO.

Alvarez should win simply because he's the better boxer. Kirkland has the equaliser though and Alvarez is not that hard to hit. Should be a fun night.