Ulster v Glasgow (Friday 19.05) Discussion Thread

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 12:43 pm

Ulster XV & replacements to play Glasgow, RaboDirect PRO12, Fri 31st August (7.05pm), Ravenhill

(15-9): J Payne; M Allen, C Farrell, L Marshall, C Gilroy; P Jackson, M Heaney;

(1-8): C Black, R Herring, J Afoa, J Muller (c), L Stevenson, R Diack, S Doyle, N Williams.

Replacements (16-23): N Brady, T Court, D Fitzpatrick, N McComb, M McComish, P Marshall, N O'Connor, D Cave.

Glasgow team is out:

15. Peter Murchie
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Alex Dunbar
12. Graeme Morrison
11. Sean Lamont
10. Duncan Weir
9. Henry Pyrgos

8. Ryan Wilson
7. Chris Fusaro
6. Rob Harley
5. Al Kellock (c)
4. Tom Ryder
3. Mike Cusack
2. Finlay Gillies
1. Gordon Reid

Replacements:
Dougie Hall, Moray Low, Ryan Grant, James Eddie, John Barclay, Chris Cusiter, Ruaridh Jackson, Peter Horne.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 12:53 pm

Out of that squad I would start with this team and replacements: -

1. Black
2. Herring
3. Afoa
4. Muller
5. Stevenson
6. Diack
7. Williams
8. Doyle

9. Heaney
10. Jackson

11. Allen
12. L Marshall
13. Cave
14. Gilroy
16. Payne

Replacements
16. Brady
17. Court
18. Fitzpatrick
19. McCombe
20. McComish
21. P Marshall
22. O'Connor
23. Farrell

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 12:56 pm

Rava wrote:
19. McCombe
20. McComish

That guy is McCombe. The other guy is only McCombe-ish

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 12:58 pm

He's not though, Jen. If McComish was half as good as McCombe I would be happy Smile

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:08 pm

Rava wrote:Out of that squad I would start with this team and replacements: -

1. Black
2. Herring
3. Afoa
4. Muller
5. Stevenson
6. Diack
7. Williams
8. Doyle

9. Heaney
10. Jackson

11. Allen
12. L Marshall
13. Cave
14. Gilroy
16. Payne

Replacements
16. Brady
17. Court
18. Fitzpatrick
19. McCombe
20. McComish
21. P Marshall
22. O'Connor
23. Farrell

Pretty much seconded, although if Doyle can play blindside (didn't he play both sides in Oz?), I'd have Birch on the bench. Farrell being able to play 12 and 13 makes him a good bench option, actually.

by **Notch** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:09 pm

I don't think Mark Anscombe was very happy with Ali Birch's yellow card last weekend!

I pretty much totally agree on the team. I'd maybe just have Nelson on the bench for versatility.

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:12 pm

Fair enough, had forgotten about that.

I'd stick with Farrell - Payne covers the wings and Gilroy covers fullback.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:13 pm

Don, Birch isn't in the squad. Notch, Anscombe wasn't particularly happy but Birch did take a serious knock. He looked distinctly groggy coming off the pitch.

Would you have Nelson instead of Farrell or lose one of the forward replacements?

by geoff998rugby Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:17 pm

So Court is available - good stuff.

I think Birch took himself out of the running last Friday - my money is on Doyle starting.
Agree re Nelson I think he will make the bench.

We might use this game to rest Fitzpatrick - I understand he is required to not play in 2 Pro-12 games before November. Would mean Macklin on the bench.

That makes it :

1. Black
2. Herring
3. Afoa
4. Muller
5. Stevenson
6. Diack
8. Williams
7. Doyle

9. Heaney
10. Jackson

11. Allen
12. L Marshall
13. Cave
14. Gilroy
15. Payne

Replacements
16. Brady
17. Court
18. Macklin
19. McComb
20. McComish
21. P Marshall
22. O'Connor
23. Nelson

by **Notch** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:18 pm

Instead of Farrell. Hard on Farrell but Nelson and Payne have both played 13 recently and Nelson has played on the wing and at fullback in pre-season too.

Just covering 12 would be the issue. But Jackson could slot in at a push.

by 2bFair Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:21 pm

Good to see that so many new faces - and young players getting a shout. I have watched with interest as the Scottish and Welsh teams evolved during the past couple of seasons - I barely recognise them now - while Ulster seemed to be a bit more conservative.
Obviously the Welsh national team is the best advert for giving youth a chance - but the All Blacks do it too.
Perhaps that is why Geoff mentioned a real buzz in and around the squad.

It would have been a bit of a kick in the teeth if that had only been for pre-season.

Can't wait for it all to kick off - hopefully will be able to find some way of watching the new season!

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:26 pm

2bFair BBC NI stream most of the games on their website.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:38 pm

Rava wrote:2bFair BBC NI stream most of the games on their website.

Can't even get that a few miles away in Dundalk. Yeh've nay chance in UAE

by 2bFair Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:39 pm

Thanks Rava - it all depends on my "virtual VPN" - whatever the devil that is Headscratch

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:40 pm

Do they have running water in Dundalk? Whistle

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 1:43 pm

2bFair wrote:Thanks Rava - it all depends on my "virtual VPN" - whatever the devil that is

That would be a Virtual "Virtual private network" Smile

They even have them in Dundalk. Everywhere else the just have one virtual Smile

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:03 pm

Suppose I would have a better chance of getting the team right if I read the names in the squad.

Forgot that Jackson could slot in at 12, actually. But I'd stick with Farrell. More chance of Cave being painfully rusty than Payne having a stinker, and having to be subbed for non-injury reasons.

by geoff998rugby Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:35 pm

But Payne would go to 13 and Nelson to 15.

If Farrell covers who goes to 15.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:48 pm

Gilroy

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:51 pm

I'd hate to be from Dundalk, shoite football team useless intercounty side. Still least you only have 5 toes unlike those Drogheda lads.

2bfair, welcome to the boards. I can send on links into your PM inbox that might help you out for Ulster games. The HC ones will be definitely covered, Rabo ones will probably be covered in it alright.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:53 pm

clivemcl wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/19400661?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Yet another BBC article suggesting its a tough call between O'Connor and Jackson. Is it really? Are they just being silly, or do they have reason to believe Anscombe doesn't see much between them?

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:22 pm

Thomond wrote:I'd hate to be from Dundalk, shoite football team useless intercounty side. Still least you only have 5 toes unlike those Drogheda lads.

I'd hate it too. Worse there are only 3 decent looking women in Dundalk. A factor which carries across the border to Newry also.
The 6 toes thing is from Sellafield and extends to Dundalk as well.

by 2bFair Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:25 pm

Thomond wrote:I'd hate to be from Dundalk, shoite football team useless intercounty side. Still least you only have 5 toes unlike those Drogheda lads.

2bfair, welcome to the boards. I can send on links into your PM inbox that might help you out for Ulster games. The HC ones will be definitely covered, Rabo ones will probably be covered in it alright.

Thanks Thomond - that would be greatly appreciated.

by Backrower678 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:26 pm

Managed to get my night shift in work changed to the morning so I will be making a trip to Ravers this Friday. Looking forward to it been reading good reports about the young guys from the pre season games so looking forward to seeing how they perform in the flesh. Also really liking the noises Anscombe is making, promising times ahead.

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:29 pm

Sent 2Bfair,don't know if your into the GAA but it will probably cover you for that if you are, not long left inthat season anyhow.

Do you not live in Dundalk Jen? Their soccer side got a jersey to look like a banana being sponsored by Fyffes, a bit cringey and they are also bankrupt unfortunately!

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:32 pm

Thomond wrote:
Do you not live in Dundalk Jen?

Jaysus No. I just picked it to illustrate my point as it's the closest town to Ravenhill that can't use the BBC iPlayer.

You'll be saying I was born in Cork next Shocked

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:32 pm

You should be so lucky......

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:34 pm

Thomond wrote:You should be so lucky......

Strangely I don't consider it fortunate at all. Sad

by geoff998rugby Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:39 pm

If Gilroy goes to 15 who goes to the wing?

Nelson seems a much better cover and would result in minimum disruption. Farrell on the other hand requires significant changes.

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:44 pm

People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best Wink

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:46 pm

Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best

It's a great place to come from. Wink

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

by clivemcl Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:46 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/19400661?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Yet another BBC article suggesting its a tough call between O'Connor and Jackson. Is it really? Are they just being silly, or do they have reason to believe Anscombe doesn't see much between them?

Sorry about the re-post but it was hidden behind numerous posts about Dundalk!

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:49 pm

geoff998rugby wrote:If Gilroy goes to 15 who goes to the wing?

Nelson seems a much better cover and would result in minimum disruption. Farrell on the other hand requires significant changes.

Maybe. I am starting to weaken.

Take your reasoned logic and get out, Geoff. There's no place for it here.

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:52 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best
It's a great place to come from.

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

It's not sh!t but yeah apologies.

Would like to see Gilroy play full back, think he could do well there, Nelson could do with the expereince I suppose and would add to the stable of talent that the Ulster backline have. 2 ginger ninjas in the backline with Jackson and Nelson!

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:52 pm

I'm starting to wish he'd stayed away Very Happy

Clive I see what you mean about Dundalk though I might just have fuelled that a wee bit earlier.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:54 pm

Thomond wrote:

Would like to see Gilroy play full back, think he could do well there, Nelson could do with the expereince I suppose and would add to the stable of talent that the Ulster backline have. 2 ginger ninjas in the backline with Jackson and Nelson!

And Notch looking on from the Prom thumbsup

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:58 pm

Unless he is going to get suited up and throwing death stars (only way to stop Zebo in Ravers....) Notch sadly doesn't qualify as a ninja.

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:05 pm

I'm not saying that there should be, like, a special pen in the stands for "people like Notch" or anything, but surely by allowing more than one on the pitch at a time, we are basically saying that being ginger is okay?

Now I'm not gingerist, but we have to have standards. I've no problem with them being ginger in the privacy of their own home. But all this shameless flaunting of it - rubbing it in our faces. Wear a hat, people.

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:07 pm

I think I'll start a "Mandatory Scrumcaps for PJ and Nelson" petition.

by Kingshu Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:07 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best
It's a great place to come from.

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

Not bigger or better than the Ulster team Donegal at the weekend there. boxing

To be fair I've always said, if I wasn't from the Glens of Antrim, I'd want to be from Cork. (Cork, 2nd only to the Glens of Antrim [the tourist board can use that if you want to really promote Cork])

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:08 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:I think I'll start a "Mandatory Scrumcaps for PJ and Nelson" petition.

It's written into Tom Denton's contract.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:10 pm

Kingshu wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best
It's a great place to come from.

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

Not bigger or better than the Ulster team Donegal at the weekend there.

To be fair I've always said, if I wasn't from the Glens of Antrim, I'd want to be from Cork. (Cork, 2nd only to the Glens of Antrim [the tourist board can use that if you want to really promote Cork])

What I was inferring was, it's a great place to come from....... It's going to it that's the problem.

by Kingshu Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:10 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:I'm not saying that there should be, like, a special pen in the stands for "people like Notch" or anything, but surely by allowing more than one on the pitch at a time, we are basically saying that being ginger is okay?

Now I'm not gingerist, but we have to have standards. I've no problem with them being ginger in the privacy of their own home. But all this shameless flaunting of it - rubbing it in our faces. Wear a hat, people.

To be fair with the population aging we are getting a lot more grey headed people than red. Red headed people are going the way of the squirels it appears

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:11 pm

Kingshu wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best
It's a great place to come from.

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

Not bigger or better than the Ulster team Donegal at the weekend there.

To be fair I've always said, if I wasn't from the Glens of Antrim, I'd want to be from Cork. (Cork, 2nd only to the Glens of Antrim [the tourist board can use that if you want to really promote Cork])

Pathetic tactics and decision making from management means the team are underperforming, a couple of lads playing poor, I think that chestnut is well known on these boards!

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:12 pm

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:I think I'll start a "Mandatory Scrumcaps for PJ and Nelson" petition.
It's written into Tom Denton's contract.

Eminently sensible. Others admire their academy; personally I've always applauded Leinster's no-nonsense attitude to the encroaching tide of gingerness.

by Rava Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:13 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:I think I'll start a "Mandatory Scrumcaps for PJ and Nelson" petition.

Once the dark nights come in and the Floodlights are switched on then I suspect there will be a clamour for a cover up.

by Kingshu Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:15 pm

Thomond wrote:
Kingshu wrote:
Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:
Thomond wrote:People who are from Cork are the only ones who appreciate how great it is, we're pioneers really like. We're only an arrogant shower as we're the biggest and the best
It's a great place to come from.

Edit: Sorry Ulster fans for disrupting your thread with this sh1t

Not bigger or better than the Ulster team Donegal at the weekend there.

To be fair I've always said, if I wasn't from the Glens of Antrim, I'd want to be from Cork. (Cork, 2nd only to the Glens of Antrim [the tourist board can use that if you want to really promote Cork])

Pathetic tactics and decision making from management means the team are underperforming, a couple of lads playing poor, I think that chestnut is well known on these boards!

Don't forget the Ref, thats a favourite on these boards

by Thomond Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:19 pm

We Irish don't blame the ref Wink

Unless it involves Stephen Ferris....... I was talking about the Iirsh side of things, we all know the story Cork have. Oddly enough, the two team in question are led by Corkmen. We mightn't be the greatest after all, still the Master Race obviously has flaws Whistle

by **Notch** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:19 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:I'm not saying that there should be, like, a special pen in the stands for "people like Notch" or anything, but surely by allowing more than one on the pitch at a time, we are basically saying that being ginger is okay?

Better than that... it's an advantage.

by Don Alfonso Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:28 pm

Really? I thought the only scientifically proven links were to problems with anger and alcohol?

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