Frochs Comments about Hatton

I read these comments Froch made and it sounds to me like he is being very disrespectful of Hatton who is making his comeback soon:

"I have not won every single fight every time I have stepped through the ropes but I don't get outclassed. I lose close points decisions but I can put it right against Kessler and Ward - I know I can."

Froch defended his IBF super middleweight by flooring his opponent in the first round before leaving Mack on the canvas again in the third.

He added: "I don't get spectacularly knocked out like some other British fighters who think they are superstars.

"I am in my prime and I am ready for anybody. I have proved that with the people I have fought.

His comments about being knocked out must be a dig at Hatton who he is probably jealous of and what planet is he living on when he said he does not get outclassed?? He has lost twice already! Someone needs to remind Froch how overrated he is thanks to Sky and that he is not in the same league as fighters like Hatton and Calzaghe who he is obsessed with. Hatton was a class act and was only beaten by the two best fighters in the world not by the kind of fighters Froch has lost to. Somebody tell this guy to get a grip!

Or Amir Khan who he has had long and much publicised spats with........

Gordy wrote:I read these comments Froch made and it sounds to me like he is being very disrespectful of Hatton who is making his comeback soon:

"I have not won every single fight every time I have stepped through the ropes but I don't get outclassed. I lose close points decisions but I can put it right against Kessler and Ward - I know I can."

Froch defended his IBF super middleweight by flooring his opponent in the first round before leaving Mack on the canvas again in the third.

He added: "I don't get spectacularly knocked out like some other British fighters who think they are superstars.

"I am in my prime and I am ready for anybody. I have proved that with the people I have fought.

His comments about being knocked out must be a dig at Hatton who he is probably jealous of and what planet is he living on when he said he does not get outclassed?? He has lost twice already! Someone needs to remind Froch how overrated he is thanks to Sky and that he is not in the same league as fighters like Hatton and Calzaghe who he is obsessed with. Hatton was a class act and was only beaten by the two best fighters in the world not by the kind of fighters Froch has lost to. Somebody tell this guy to get a grip!

Maybe he is talking about Khan. I thought he didn't like Khan and sounds like a dig at khan.

yep, pretty sure that was aimed at Khan

Gotta love Gordy.

Did he mention Hatton?

Or is he perhaps having a swipe at the likes of Khan, Haye and Harrison?

Where does he mention Hatton?

Taxi for Gordy.

He doesnt mention anyone by name but it could only be aimed at Hatton. Guys like Haye, Khan and Harrison are not superstars but Hatton was. Sounds like more jealousy from Froch. Maybe Hatton shoul remind him he has lost to fighters far worse or Calzaghe should remind him he beat Kessler and never lost!

Gordy wrote:He doesnt mention anyone by name but it could only be aimed at Hatton. Guys like Haye, Khan and Harrison are not superstars but Hatton was. Sounds like more jealousy from Froch. Maybe Hatton shoul remind him he has lost to fighters far worse or Calzaghe should remind him he beat Kessler and never lost!

i think the key here is he said "who THINK they are superstars" its aimed at Khan, who we all know has a very high opinion of himself. There's no way he aimed that comment at hatton.

Gordy wrote:Guys like Haye, Khan and Harrison are not superstars but Hatton was.

He says fighters who think they are superstars.

I'm going to have to rethink my vote for Most Knowledgeable Poster at this rate.

Gordy wrote:
He added: "I don't get spectacularly knocked out like some other British fighters who think they are superstars.

I used to think this bloke was a WUM but now I think he is genuinely just a little bit simple.

Gordy, I would put a lot of money on that he's talking about Khan as many have said.

It's well known they don't like each other and both have made digs at each other in the past.

Deary me! I have to say i'm surprised this hadn't been mentioned up until now because it was quite a crass dig to make in my book. Didn't need to be said really but hey ho that's boxing I suppose.

How Gordy reached the conclusion he was speaking of Hatton is anyone's guess..but with him I have given up wasting my thoughts on just how he reaches the conclusions he does!

Hatton is making his comeback shortly so I dont think its a coincidence about the timing of Frochs comments. He is jealous of Hattons popularity and that more people care bout his comeback thn one of Frochs fights. Khan is an overrated fighter who is not that good so I dont think Froch is talking about him.

Gordy wrote:Hatton is making his comeback shortly so I dont think its a coincidence about the timing of Frochs comments. He is jealous of Hattons popularity and that more people care bout his comeback thn one of Frochs fights. Khan is an overrated fighter who is not that good so I dont think Froch is talking about him.

It's so hard not to post a reply.....

Refrain Owen...Refrain...it's for your own good!!

Wow this guy has a HUGE hate of Froch.

You step on his toes no matter what he says.

He clearly states people who "THINK" they are superstars who got knocked out.

IE. Amir Khan.

But keep thinking that Gordy with your love of JC.

Lest we forget the following:

Frochs last 9 fights:

Andre Ward
Andre Dirrell
Jermaine Taylor
Mikkel Kessler
Glen Johnson
Jean Pascal
Yusef Mack
Lucian Bute
Arthur Abraham

Joe Calzaghe:

Jones Jr
Hopkins
Kessler
Sika
Manfredo jr
Lacy
Ashira
Veit
Salem


HAHA! Brilliant

But lets mention in Frochs

So what Froch lost his two biggest fights. What dya want ........a Blue Peter Badge?!

Calzaghe never lost.

Super D Boon wrote:So what Froch lost his two biggest fights. What dya want ........a Blue Peter Badge?!

Calzaghe never lost...............

anything except his credibilty by fighting the likes of PMJ

Super D Boon wrote:So what Froch lost his two biggest fights. What dya want ........a Blue Peter Badge?!

Calzaghe never lost.

Lucian Bute was bigger then Kessler IMO along with a lot of boxing pundits.

Calzaghe never lost because he fought nobody of real note, and im a massive Calzaghe fan!

But you can not compare their records. One is filled with bums apart from 2 or 3, where as one is filled with top 5/10 fighters constantly back to back for years!

Peter Manfredo Jr or Jermaine Taylor?
Mario Veit or Jean Pascal?
Sakio Bika or Lucian Bute?

Im not saying JC is poor or anything, i think he was a great fighter, just wish he fought real fighters and had he not been owned by Warren, we maybe could have witnessed it.

Super D Boon wrote:So what Froch lost his two biggest fights. What dya want ........a Blue Peter Badge?!

Calzaghe never lost.

Spot on! Some people on here have clearly been fooled by the Sky hype. Froch is not a patch on Calzaghe!

I think Gordy is having some sort of trollgasm.

Gordy wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:So what Froch lost his two biggest fights. What dya want ........a Blue Peter Badge?!

Calzaghe never lost.

Spot on! Some people on here have clearly been fooled by the Sky hype. Froch is not a patch on Calzaghe!

Because being unbeaten is the top mark!

Just like Dimitri Saliti before he fought Khan.

So did Calzaghe fight then in his last 10 fights as SMW CHAMP BEST EVER IN THE WORLD PERIOD??

1. Froch is clearly talking about Khan whom he has a long running spat with. Only a simpleton would conclude otherwise.

2. Given Frochs record, run of tough fights and willingness to travel anywhere and take on the best opposition it is ridiculous to suggest he is not a patch on Calzaghe as Froch may well end his career as a top ten ATG Brit. Only a simpleton would conclude otherwise.

Gordy, I don't think you were dropped at birth, I would guess you were used as a basket ball for a considerable amount of time, thats the only conclusion I can draw from your unstoppable wave of nonsense you spout everytime you trample over this website.

Calzaghe unified the titles and beat Kessler, became the Ring champion at SMW and LH. His wins over Hopkins and Kessler are in my view better than Frochs top wins. Froch has probably fought stronger competition in a shorter stretch but ultimately I think you would have to say Calzaghe acheived more. He did actually fight most of the best SMWs of his era, and beat them. Ottke the only real exception of note. PRoblem with him for me is that its just a very diluted record at SMW with too many below average defences. Cant agree with comments like he didnt fight anyone of note, especially when he holds a solid win aver a guy that beat Froch and a win over a genuine ATG in Hopkins.

Would agree the comments made by Froch are most likely aimed at Khan and not Hatton. As long as its not aimed at Lennox Lewis though, eh.

Clearly they are aimed at Khan not Hatton, given the history

Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

JC already said he wished the S6 concept was around in his time so you can't blame him for that.

Froch has lost to the best he's faced. There's no shame in losing to Ward though. I think it would be 50/50 between Ward and Calzaghe. Ward likes to coast a bit too mcuh so many ship rounds against a machine like Calzaghe and wouldn't have enough power to stop him. For all his skills Ward hasn't the nasty wallop of say RJJ.

I actually think Froch beats Calzaghe if they fought. I think Froch is awkward enough and has enough power on his punches to hurt Joe. Might not stop him but could well take it on points. Massively over rated for me is Calzaghe.

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

he HAD to face him though for the tourne...and Glen was coming off a KO win

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Or a non pensioner Hopkins, maybe a decent Jones, or Toney. Funny how they all fought each other. He was far to happy selling tickets at tin pot venues.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Or a non pensioner Hopkins, maybe a decent Jones, or Toney. Funny how they all fought each other. He was far to happy selling tickets at tin pot venues.

like ice rinks! what a champ.

richiebrew23 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

he HAD to face him though for the tourne...and Glen was coming off a KO win

talking about Calzaghe. He pulled out of a fight with Johnson twice.

Classic Gordy above, I see.

With regards to Froch, I'm actually a little disappointed that he's felt the need to stick the boot in like that. When he was in the dark days of 'Fat Mick', I could, to an extent, understand his constant need to try and shout his way in front of the more recognised and better-paid, but also (arguably) less deserving, British contemporaries such as Khan. But he's now at the forefront of any fight fan's mind, has been getting superb exposure both in the ring and studio from Sky, and is arguably at the greatest peak of his career to date. At the very least, he's without doubt the established number one fighter on these shores, pound for pound.

He doesn't need to be making such crass comments, least of all when the feud which apparently existed between him and Khan is meant to have been eded a couple of years ago, and also when Khan has been conducting himself extremely well in recent times, particularly in his appraisals of other fighters. Between this and his "write off" comment regarding Khan's career a few months back, which I also thought was below the belt, it seems there is still a fair bit of resentment in Froch's head towards Khan, which isn't good.

Calzaghe's record in no way reflects his actual ability. If they fought "peak for peak" I'd look at Calzaghe doing to Froch what Ward did to him. No disrespect to Carl but Calzaghe was a much more skilled fighter.

Daruisz M may have been one tough nut but RJJ was always going to run rings around him if they fought. It's all about levels and I believe that whilst no-one is getting widely outclassed, Calzaghe has the edge for me.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Or a non pensioner Hopkins, maybe a decent Jones, or Toney. Funny how they all fought each other. He was far to happy selling tickets at tin pot venues.

They werent ever really in his division while he operated though. I think he could have done more to force fights with Taylor/Jones/Hopkins but its like saying Froch is dodging Dawson/Martinez/Hopkins etc now because he hasnt moved up to LH or tried to get a fight with Martinez.

For me Calzaghe beats him on work rate alone. Calzaghe on points for mr, no way does he ko Froch.

In response to the article I think Froch is talking about the deluded 1 Amir Queen Khan. Froch would not say that about Hatton.

Hatton knows bare gun man blud

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Glen Johnson was a light heavyweight though and besides GJ has lost to anyone that was half decent. One fluke year in 2004 is all he had. GJ would have had rings run around him. Wide UD for Calzaghe.

gordy. Most people on here have been big fans of Froch since before he moved to Sky. So it's only the casual fan that has been taken in by the 'sky hype train'. But cheers for telling everyone that is a fan of boxing that they are stupid. Remind me are you only on here to teach us all as you seem to have no interest in anyone elses opinion.

I must stop biting!

Gordy probably never even knew Froch and Khan had fell out before so he just guessed froch was talking about hatton. However Gordy now that you have been informed of froch and khans falling out surely you must agree that froch is talking about khan and not hatton.

Super D Boon wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Glen Johnson was a light heavyweight though and besides GJ has lost to anyone that was half decent. One fluke year in 2004 is all he had. GJ would have had rings run around him. Wide UD for Calzaghe.

Nah Clazaghe was signed to fight him at least once (johnson claims 3x) and pulled out through 'injury'.

Calzaghe is the better fighter, Froch is the more admirable fighter. Can I lock this one now?

please rowley. every froch thread becomes a froch v calzaghe thread. If only people could be happy that we have had two great fighters

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:Same could be said of Marciano though, wek era but remembered cos of the 0.

Apart from Ottke who let's face it , no-one can blame JC for that! Ottke ran a mile ! Then who did JC not face at super middle that he really needed to? Syd Vanderpool? Thomas Tate? Anthony Mundine?

Glen Johnson

Glen Johnson was a light heavyweight though and besides GJ has lost to anyone that was half decent. One fluke year in 2004 is all he had. GJ would have had rings run around him. Wide UD for Calzaghe.

Nah Clazaghe was signed to fight him at least once (johnson claims 3x) and pulled out through 'injury'.

Yeah hand trouble. So why should a boxer fight when he's busted a hand?

Bearing in mind the ever so brave Carl Froch wanted to do a catchweight with a now ancient BHop when Calzaghe moved straight up to face him???

spencerclarke wrote:please rowley. every froch thread becomes a froch v calzaghe thread. If only people could be happy that we have had two great fighters

It's only when people keep saying his record/legacy is better than Calzaghe's now ya ya ya. They started it Miss!

If Froch avenges Kessler and Ward then he's got a better legacy, no contest! But now, by simple virtue he aint even the man in his division he hasn't. What's so hard to see in that?!

I thought he meant Lewis.

NathanDB10 wrote:I thought he meant Lewis.

Super D Boon wrote:

spencerclarke wrote:please rowley. every froch thread becomes a froch v calzaghe thread. If only people could be happy that we have had two great fighters

It's only when people keep saying his record/legacy is better than Calzaghe's now ya ya ya. They started it Miss!

If Froch avenges Kessler and Ward then he's got a better legacy, no contest! But now, by simple virtue he aint even the man in his division he hasn't. What's so hard to see in that?!

I'm a big fan of both of them. Obviously there are going to be comparrisons it's just we keep going over the same arguments for both! Would be nice to have a thread on one of them without the other being brought up!

For the record I think he avenges Kessler then gets beat again by Ward but much closer. Then he retires, he can be content with what he's done but none of us have a definitive conclussion over who is the best! So the debate will go on infinite!

Super D Boon wrote:

spencerclarke wrote:please rowley. every froch thread becomes a froch v calzaghe thread. If only people could be happy that we have had two great fighters

It's only when people keep saying his record/legacy is better than Calzaghe's now ya ya ya. They started it Miss!

If Froch avenges Kessler and Ward then he's got a better legacy, no contest! But now, by simple virtue he aint even the man in his division he hasn't. What's so hard to see in that?!

Because we're pleased to see an English boxer who is genuinely admired around the world (US)

MOST-CONVINCING VICTORY

Carl Froch: Yusaf Mack (31-5-2, 17 KOs) was never destined to give Froch (30-2, 22 KOs) much trouble Saturday in Nottingham, England, Froch’s hometown. The Philadelphian is a good fighter but has made a habit of coming up well short in his biggest fights. He seemed to fight with little confidence on Saturday. That’s not Froch’s problem, though. One of the sport’s most-exciting figures overwhelmed another capable opponent with his controlled savagery, quickly gaining Mack’s respect with his underrated boxing ability and power before ending matters with a debilitating left to the gut in the third round. Froch’s performance couldn’t match his stunning destruction of Lucian Bute but, as usual, it was fun to watch. I hope a rematch with Mikkel Kessler or Bute arrives quickly.

I like that last comment in bold. Calzaghe (I think he's a better boxer than Froch) was continually rather dull to watch after his hand problems becuase it was all about volume and not power. I want to see guys getting KO'd. Calzaghe landed a monstrous amount of punches on Jones but was unable to put him down. Something others have not struggled with.