Ulster v Treviso Match thread 23rd November 2012

by clivemcl Wed 21 Nov - 12:24

First topic message reminder :

FORWARDS (14)
Herring, Brady, Black, Fitzpatrick, Court, Afoa, McComb, Simpson, Diack, Joyce, McComish, Birch, Wilson, Williams.

BACKS (10)
Heaney, McIlroy, O’Connor, Olding, Wallace, Payne, Allen, Cochrane, Andrew, Nelson.

Adam D'arcy is again a notable absentee yet again. This really is mind boggling considering the performance last week. Ricky Andrew is very far off the pace. And our back three in general were very inexperienced. As I mentioned before, D'Arcy is definitely in full training. Yet Anscombe seems to have him at the very bottom of the pile. Headscratch

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:41

Aye go for the line out, that's a sure winner...

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:41

And there we go

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:41

Great clearance by Limavady man NOC. Good lad.

Flip another botched lineout!

by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:42

Shocking line out again!

by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:43

Phew!

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:43

Let off there

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:44

Flip!

by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:45

Citing coming up!

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:45

Actually, he wasn't looking. Don't think it's as bad as I originally thought.

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:46

Hmm silly by McComish.... lucky boy.... mind you yer man looked like he'd been shot with an elephant gun.....

by Rava Fri 23 Nov - 19:46

Out of jail there but wouldn't you like to throttle Neely some times.

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:46

AHHHHHH penalty!

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:47

Good break from Trimble initially. Forwards are losing this for us.

by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:47

Lets hope their line out is as bad as Ulsters!

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:48

Time for cool heads..... the players need to keep calm too....

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:48

Drop goal territory now. Peeking through my fingers...

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:48

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:48

Ah Afoa!

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:49

by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:49

I think it rhymes with clucking bell!

by Rava Fri 23 Nov - 19:50

Jeez lads. That is some let off.

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:50

I do not believe it!!!!!!!!!!

Hallelujah!!!! angel

by neilthom7 Fri 23 Nov - 19:51

If we had lost that then I would be quicker to blame stupidity than anything else. Yes we had a bad line out but we knew that Diack is not a lock, but some plan daft decisions at the end from the lads and the back row doesn't look even close to being balanced.

by clivemcl Fri 23 Nov - 19:51

Thank you paul!

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 19:52

Wow!!

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by Irish Londoner Fri 23 Nov - 19:52

If playing badly and winning is the sign of a championship winning side after tonight we should send them down to play the Pumas tomorrow guinness

by MrsP Fri 23 Nov - 19:57

Okay lads.

Who ordered the "Get Out of jail Free" cards for this season?

We need to put in another order!

Phew doesn't even come close.

Really could do with a lineout.

by Rava Fri 23 Nov - 19:58

Two away wins on the road without the bulk if the team. Both were fortunate but at the end of the day we have the points in the bag.
They will be glad to get home and prepare for a tough one next Sunday.

by MrsP Fri 23 Nov - 20:18

I really don't look on either of those results as "wins".

More that we somehow managed to contrive to fail to lose despite looking like we were really trying to. I didn't think we could get any worse than last week but, we did!

Still, 4 more and 11/11.

SUFTUM!

Do you think McCommish will be getting a wee rest for a week or 2?

by neilthom7 Fri 23 Nov - 20:32

Well with our internationals coming back I suspect you are right on that MrsP

by MrsP Fri 23 Nov - 20:36

I suppose if either or both of those TMO decisions had been different it might have put that performance in a different light.

Not saying they were wrong as I couldn't see the ball either but I mean if they had been able to be awarded.

by Artful_Dodger Fri 23 Nov - 20:52

MrsP wrote:I really don't look on either of those results as "wins".

More that we somehow managed to contrive to fail to lose despite looking like we were really trying to. I didn't think we could get any worse than last week but, we did!

Still, 4 more and 11/11.

SUFTUM!

Do you think McCommish will be getting a wee rest for a week or 2?

Really really stupid late hit from McComish on the Treviso player. Was very little contact but when you are closing out a game with a few minutes on the clock its just stupidity to make any contact with an opposition player after the ball is gone.

by The Great Aukster Fri 23 Nov - 22:23

It easy to slate McComish but he made the most tackles last game and he won't be far from the front in this one either.

The singular biggest problem was the lineout and giving away possession in that fashion is a killer. Ulster only had McComb and to a lesser extent Diack to throw to, so if they were both covered there was no option. Williams, McComish and Wilson simply isn't an option from the side so why did O'Connor keep kicking for touch so much? The penalty he missed to touch actually wasn't the worst outcome and Treviso didn't look too clever with the ball in hand.

I couldn't believe Wilson opting to go for the lineout where Ulster were hopeless only to be reprieved by Peter Allan who said the scrum (where Ulster were imperious) had already been called!

Ulster are playing for Nevin this year, and maybe they deserve a few breaks?

by **rodders** Fri 23 Nov - 22:37

The Great Aukster wrote:Ulster are playing for Nevin this year, and maybe they deserve a few breaks?

Well said Aukster guinness

Look you make your own luck. I'm delighted to have 8 points from these two games. A lot to work on but it's the points that count and a lot of fringe players have gained valuable experience and game time which will stand us in good stead down the line.

I thought our general play was much better this week and it was mainly the line out which let us down. Credit to Treviso who played some good attacking rugby and were very unlucky not to get the win at the end.

by **Notch** Sat 24 Nov - 0:07

Rava wrote:Two away wins on the road without the bulk if the team. Both were fortunate but at the end of the day we have the points in the bag.
They will be glad to get home and prepare for a tough one next Sunday.

I didn't see the game, I had to do a recording session for a friend tonight, but saw the last few minutes on someones iPhone... I'll take it, is all I'll say!

Internationals can't get back soon enough. Tuohy, Henderson, Jackson, L. Marshall and Cave will all come back into the 23 and maybe Henry, Gilroy and Bowe too. Just having Tuohy and Henderson back will already make such a huge difference to the lineout. Isn't Muller going to be in contention soon too? A much changed pack for next week please!

We keep winning- what else is there to say? Except

a) Never play monopoly against Mark Anscombe, because he has a big supply of get out of jail free cards
b) Well done Peter Nelson on your first senior try! First of many I hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy6y4mqgVBY&feature=g-all-u

by neilthom7 Sat 24 Nov - 0:46

Ok Notch I will help you out
Basically
Lineouts don't work with 1 lock
When we see that lineouts don't work we have great leaders on the pitch who keep going to them well we are bound to get it right this time
Marshall proved his worth...... again
Nelson did pretty well on his debut
Tom Court realised Nelson probably quicker than him to get in the corner good call Tom
Nick Williams Possibly/probably scored 2 tries but it was impossible to tell from the cameras so they were not given
Scrum was good again
Back row didn't look very balanced
McComish may be cited although it wasn't as bad as what the italian made out
Finally at the end we did our best to give the referee a chance to send one of us to the bin or to let Treviso win via a penalty but luckily the ref didn't feel like it and neither did the Trevisio Kicker and we held on
Think that pretty much covers it

by **LondonTiger** Sat 24 Nov - 8:48

Blimey, only just seen this score. Treviso missing more players due to Ints?

by MrsP Sat 24 Nov - 9:06

It was pretty close indeed LT.

We were missing 14 twixt injury and call-ups and Treviso were missing even more I think.

I really think most of the problem was our total inability to win our own lineout. If that had been even just bad instead of shockingly bad the result would have looked better.

The really bad thing is that Nick Williams crossed the line twice but the ref, quite appropriately asked the "Try, yes or no?" question and the ball could not be seen. If the TMO had been able to give those tries the scoreline would have been incredibly flattering to us.

Mind you, as I say the lineout was just... picard

by **LondonTiger** Sat 24 Nov - 9:23

I am worried about our matches with Treviso next month

by Don Alfonso Sat 24 Nov - 11:06

Are we in crisis agan?

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 24 Nov - 11:16

We couldn't get Tuohy and Henderson back sooner, they will hopefully be released for the next fixture.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Sat 24 Nov - 11:32

LondonTiger wrote:I am worried about our matches with Treviso next month

they do have 26 internationals in their squad. mostly Italian and mostly missing yesterday .
that's one of the problems in having 4 nations in a 12 team league. the number of internationals you lose.

by **Notch** Sat 24 Nov - 11:48

Don Alfonso wrote:Are we in crisis agan?

Of course! Very Happy

by Don Alfonso Sat 24 Nov - 12:02

Thank God for that. At least when we're in crisis, I know where we stand.

Saw snatches of this last night, and bits and bobs of the Leinster/Glasgow game this morning. Going to watch Ireland vs Argentina this afternoon.

By Monday, I may have started following volleyball instead...

by **rodders** Sat 24 Nov - 12:07

Tough crowd....I remember a time, not long ago, when we couldn't buy a win outside Belfast.... now we can't buy a loss no matter how hard we try! Shocked

Enjoy the game Don guinness

by Don Alfonso Sat 24 Nov - 12:20

Ha ha! I was talking to a guy in work yesterday, and when someone mentioned our winning streak, we both said, on cue, "it's got to end some tme".

Welcome to Ulster, where success is just failure having the week off.

(Ireland by four today, Ulster to do the double. Tell no-one.)

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