Good Old Larry Big Pants

by Rowley Thu 20 Dec 2012 - 20:37

His name has cropped up on here a bit today and there are those that think Gordy's views on the Klitschko's are a little unfair or extreme. However I think I have found someone who manages to make our good friend look positively effusive in his praise of them, step forward Mr Larry Holmes

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/view-Article.asp?ArticleID=2223

Suffice to say it does not appear old age has done a lot to mellow Holmes, who as someone once said is a well balanced guy, he has a chip on both shoulders. God knows I love the guy but wish he would change the record every once in a while.

by AlexHuckerby Thu 20 Dec 2012 - 20:44

It's like Larry, your 63, you've made millions, you carried on too long anyway, just leave it.

You can't trouble the Klitschko's no matter how much "Stupid Sh*t" they supposedly do.

A comeback at his age really is just gonna be sad.

by bhb001 Thu 20 Dec 2012 - 20:49

A man happy in his bitterness. I'd love to listen in to a conversation between him and "I have a dream" Harrison.

by Super D Boon Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 13:47

It's funny because I actually think the Klitschkos could beat a prime Larry.

I can't see Wlad at 36 struggling against Spinks either.

by Guest Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 13:52

Larry v Shane Mosley in early January just to ensure that boxing couldn't sink any lower for the rest of the year

by Imperial Ghosty Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 14:30

Super D Boon wrote:It's funny because I actually think the Klitschkos could beat a prime Larry.

I can't see Wlad at 36 struggling against Spinks either.

Different fighters age at a different and for what it's worth Spinks would be a massive step up in quality for either brother (Lewis excepted), don't think either has it easy against his awkward style. Prime Holmes does everything either brother does but far better with greater resilience and variety.

by **88Chris05** Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 14:45

It's a bit of an odd one, I suppose. I'd make Larry a favourite over both brothers (verging on the lukewarm at best against Wladimir and only marginal against Vitali, mind you) but I can't see Spinks beating a Klitschko, either. In fact I don't even see him going the distance with either Wladimir or Vitali.

by monty junior Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 19:05

Imperial Ghosty wrote:
Super D Boon wrote:It's funny because I actually think the Klitschkos could beat a prime Larry.

I can't see Wlad at 36 struggling against Spinks either.

Different fighters age at a different and for what it's worth Spinks would be a massive step up in quality for either brother (Lewis excepted), don't think either has it easy against his awkward style. Prime Holmes does everything either brother does but far better with greater resilience and variety.

I'd agree Holmes has a lot going for him in the comparison's but i certainly wouldn't say "everything". Size, weight is a pretty big factor and although Holmes was a pretty big guy himself he'd be fighting guy's 30 pounds heavier who can move and both punch significantly harder than Holmes, especially Wlad. I mean the guy had a ATG heavyweight chin but he was hurt by far lesser punchers, but then again you really had to land flush to hurt Holmes, whether they could do that is another question.

50/50 with Wlad
60/40 with Vitali for Holmes

by Imperial Ghosty Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 19:12

Shavers and Tyson far lesser punchers, get out of Wlads rear end.

by Super D Boon Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 20:36

monty junior wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:
Super D Boon wrote:It's funny because I actually think the Klitschkos could beat a prime Larry.

I can't see Wlad at 36 struggling against Spinks either.

Different fighters age at a different and for what it's worth Spinks would be a massive step up in quality for either brother (Lewis excepted), don't think either has it easy against his awkward style. Prime Holmes does everything either brother does but far better with greater resilience and variety.

I'd agree Holmes has a lot going for him in the comparison's but i certainly wouldn't say "everything". Size, weight is a pretty big factor and although Holmes was a pretty big guy himself he'd be fighting guy's 30 pounds heavier who can move and both punch significantly harder than Holmes, especially Wlad. I mean the guy had a ATG heavyweight chin but he was hurt by far lesser punchers, but then again you really had to land flush to hurt Holmes, whether they could do that is another question.

50/50 with Wlad
60/40 with Vitali for Holmes

Strangely I have Holmes doing better against Vitali than Wlad. Holmes would pepper the jab against Vitali and frequently score given Vitalis defence is sometimes too reliant on his reflexes. With Wlad it's a different matter altogether as it's hard just landing a shot and his jab is always semi extended and he scores punches so often. I don't think either bro knocks out Holmes but one thing I will say with a great degree of conviction, if Holmes trains for a fight against either K2 for 2013 then he's going to get slaughtered!

by **ShahenshahG** Fri 21 Dec 2012 - 20:53

I think they're a bit to classy for that Super D - They wouldn't give Holyfield a fight and he's at least been active and competitive, doubt they'd want to smash up holmes no matter how much of a Tinkywinky he is.

by John Bloody Wayne Sat 22 Dec 2012 - 0:35

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Shavers and Tyson far lesser punchers, get out of Wlads rear end.

Gotta say I think Vitali would be humiliated by a mover of Holmes' ability. Wlad too I couldn't see winning but with Vitali's zombie-ish movement I'd predict a Holmes field day.

Wlad's advantage is that you'd have two of the top jabbers in history trying to outdo each other at their own game, difference for me being Holmes' more varied arsenal and superior ability to fight at pace which I always see as a downfall in fantasy matchups involving the Klistchkos.

Even a detractor like myself would back either of them to swat Holmes today though.

I wouldn't back Spinks to trouble either Klistchko, but I wouldn't pick Henry Cooper to ever trouble Tyson yet I see Iron Mike losing to Ali...

by monty junior Sat 22 Dec 2012 - 16:13

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Shavers and Tyson far lesser punchers, get out of Wlads rear end.

I was talking about compared to Holmes you clown!

Anyway,he was doing the chicken dance after being tagged by Snipes, hardly an ATG puncher.

by John Bloody Wayne Sat 22 Dec 2012 - 21:10

...and came back to win.

Whereas Wlad was stopped by such ATG power hitters as Ross Purrity.

by monty junior Sun 23 Dec 2012 - 17:21

Through exhaustion. Also Purrity could bang, he had something like an 85% KO ratio although against modest opposition.

by John Bloody Wayne Sun 23 Dec 2012 - 17:25

I think with the chin and recuperative abilities/variety/heart of Holmes he could've overcome exhaustion, but when backed into a corner Larry was something special.

Ross was Paulie in comparison to Shavers.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 23 Dec 2012 - 17:35

Purritys KO ratio was closer to 50% than 85%, does amaze me that people only ever take into account fights that a boxer won conveniently overlooking the countless losses they have.

by Guest Sun 23 Dec 2012 - 17:43

Super D Boon wrote:
monty junior wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:
Super D Boon wrote:It's funny because I actually think the Klitschkos could beat a prime Larry.

I can't see Wlad at 36 struggling against Spinks either.

Different fighters age at a different and for what it's worth Spinks would be a massive step up in quality for either brother (Lewis excepted), don't think either has it easy against his awkward style. Prime Holmes does everything either brother does but far better with greater resilience and variety.

I'd agree Holmes has a lot going for him in the comparison's but i certainly wouldn't say "everything". Size, weight is a pretty big factor and although Holmes was a pretty big guy himself he'd be fighting guy's 30 pounds heavier who can move and both punch significantly harder than Holmes, especially Wlad. I mean the guy had a ATG heavyweight chin but he was hurt by far lesser punchers, but then again you really had to land flush to hurt Holmes, whether they could do that is another question.

50/50 with Wlad
60/40 with Vitali for Holmes

Strangely I have Holmes doing better against Vitali than Wlad. Holmes would pepper the jab against Vitali and frequently score given Vitalis defence is sometimes too reliant on his reflexes. With Wlad it's a different matter altogether as it's hard just landing a shot and his jab is always semi extended and he scores punches so often. I don't think either bro knocks out Holmes but one thing I will say with a great degree of conviction, if Holmes trains for a fight against either K2 for 2013 then he's going to get slaughtered!

Obviously

Such throwaway comments are not meant to be taken seriously

by Super D Boon Sun 23 Dec 2012 - 21:05

It wasn't taken seriously! picard

by hogey Mon 24 Dec 2012 - 16:30

Holmes was totally different level to the Klits, he was the full package and he would have boxed their ears off before scoring a KO against Wlad and a wide UD against Vitali. One of the most underated ATG fighters of all time.

by Gordy Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:13

Rowley wrote:His name has cropped up on here a bit today and there are those that think Gordy's views on the Klitschko's are a little unfair or extreme. However I think I have found someone who manages to make our good friend look positively effusive in his praise of them, step forward Mr Larry Holmes

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/view-Article.asp?ArticleID=2223

Suffice to say it does not appear old age has done a lot to mellow Holmes, who as someone once said is a well balanced guy, he has a chip on both shoulders. God knows I love the guy but wish he would change the record every once in a while.

Ha! so now will you listen to what I have been saying about Klitschko. Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:22

Larry would be jealous of himself if he could.

by Rowley Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:23

Gordy wrote: Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

Holmes who knows his boxing (your words)

Holmes on Lennox Lewis

"He's a joke- a big athletic guy who's strictly a front runner. Put him in against a fighter who stands up to him - like say Ray Mercer did - and Lewis is exposed as a man who doesn't like a real fight. Lennox Lewis is just a heavyweight wanna-be"

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:24

Rowley wrote:
Gordy wrote: Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

Holmes who knows his boxing (your words)

Holmes on Lennox Lewis

"He's a joke- a big athletic guy who's strictly a front runner. Put him in against a fighter who stands up to him - like say Ray Mercer did - and Lewis is exposed as a man who doesn't like a real fight. Lennox Lewis is just a heavyweight wanna-be"

by bhb001 Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:27

Rowley wrote:
Gordy wrote: Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

Holmes who knows his boxing (your words)

Holmes on Lennox Lewis

"He's a joke- a big athletic guy who's strictly a front runner. Put him in against a fighter who stands up to him - like say Ray Mercer did - and Lewis is exposed as a man who doesn't like a real fight. Lennox Lewis is just a heavyweight wanna-be"

Will you stop putting up well informed comments that refute idiotic comments. It just isn't the right forum!

by TopHat24/7 Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:41

Rowley wrote:
Gordy wrote: Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

Holmes who knows his boxing (your words)

Holmes on Lennox Lewis

"He's a joke- a big athletic guy who's strictly a front runner. Put him in against a fighter who stands up to him - like say Ray Mercer did - and Lewis is exposed as a man who doesn't like a real fight. Lennox Lewis is just a heavyweight wanna-be"

by Gordy Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:47

Rowley wrote:
Gordy wrote: Other fighters like Holmes who now their boxing are just confirming what I have been saying.

Holmes who knows his boxing (your words)

Holmes on Lennox Lewis

"He's a joke- a big athletic guy who's strictly a front runner. Put him in against a fighter who stands up to him - like say Ray Mercer did - and Lewis is exposed as a man who doesn't like a real fight. Lennox Lewis is just a heavyweight wanna-be"

Have you proof that he ever said this? Even if he did say it, which Im not convinced, its more likely to be jealousy because Lewis is rated as a far better heavyweight than Holmes is and would have knocked him out. He has nothing ot be jealous of Klitschko because Klitschko is not a great heavyweight. Notice how even though he is in his 60s he still says he could comeback and beat Klitschko. Funny how he never tried to fight Lewis when Lewis was fighting!

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:49

http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_80_best.htm

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=52

Wrong as per usual Gordy, i'll repeat it again, bugger off you're dragging this forum down with your idiotic stupidity.

by Rowley Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:49

It's in his autobiography, page 272 if you want to get hold of a copy. I'd send you mine to prove it but firstly I don't like you well enough to do so and also don't really care enough whether you believe me or not.

by Gordy Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 15:56

Rowley wrote:It's in his autobiography, page 272 if you want to get hold of a copy. I'd send you mine to prove it but firstly I don't like you well enough to do so and also don't really care enough whether you believe me or not.

Well see what I said afterwards. Holmes was probably jealous of Lewis but it would not make sense for him to be jealous of Klitschko.

by Imperial Ghosty Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 16:05

Check the links I posted, Holmes is in fact rated a fair bit higher than Lewis not the other way round. To my mind Holmes' jealousy has on the whole been directed towards Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Marciano not Lewis.

by Rowley Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 16:15

So if Holmes says something you agree with he knows what he is talking about, if you disagree you dismiss his opinion. Good system.

by thebawwse Sat 29 Dec 2012 - 16:37

larry holmes reminds me of denver the last dinosaur for some reason and not for his skateboarding skills

by milkyboy Sun 30 Dec 2012 - 0:37

Imperial Ghosty wrote:http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_80_best.htm

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=52

Wrong as per usual Gordy, i'll repeat it again, bugger off you're dragging this forum down with your idiotic stupidity.

Hear hear, stop this idiotic stupidity Gordy... Come up with some stupidity that's less idiotic.

by **88Chris05** Sun 30 Dec 2012 - 0:56

I tell thee, if there was a world Heavyweight championship for smack talking then Big Lar would definitely get his wish of being at the top of everyone's all-time list by a country mile!

There's a good interview of Holmes and John Rawling from 2004 which is still available on YouTube, actually, where he offers his glowing appraisal of Lennox Lewis once more. When asked if he felt Lewis was / is overrated, he more or less answered with "What's he even done to be rated in the first place? He basically beat a load of guys he was supposed to beat anyway, and then got knocked out by two guys who can't even fight!"

Mind you, his Hall of Fame induction speech in 2008 was worth Larry Big Pants' current weight in gold! Delightful stuff, even if it did have undertones of his jealousy of Foreman's popularity.

Anyway, Larry would have had trouble with both brothers, for my money. As great as his jab was, he was susceptible to a good jab himself and got frustrated when he was tied up and smothered, which Wladimir in particular does well. He probably wears Wladimir out but would doubtless drop the odd decision to Vitali in a long enough series, I think, though he still comes out marginally on top.

by Super D Boon Sun 30 Dec 2012 - 1:00

milkyboy wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_80_best.htm

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=52

Wrong as per usual Gordy, i'll repeat it again, bugger off you're dragging this forum down with your idiotic stupidity.

Hear hear, stop this idiotic stupidity Gordy... Come up with some stupidity that's less idiotic.

I saw the other day in Morrisons a DVD of "Gordy", which is a film about a talking pig. Now a user who names himself after a talking pig is unlikely to be setting out his stall as a well informed and balanced poster.

by milkyboy Sun 30 Dec 2012 - 1:19

Super, i was teasing ghosty's tautology... Never taken Gordy seriously enough to care whether he stays or goes, bless him, or whoever's alter ego he is.

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