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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed 09 Jan 2013, 8:14 am

Morning all.

David Price is aiming for a world title shot of some sort within the next 5 fights according to reports. He has Thompson next but then who? Assuming he beats Thompson, of course.

One thing is for sure, he needs some rounds under his belt, and blowing people away in 2 rounds isn't going to help him much. I know he splits opinion on here, but I, for one, think he has what it takes to make it all the way. Both in talent and attitude. Assuming Vitali retires, I guess Price will be plotting his 5 five route to whomever holds the WBC title at the time. Wladimir is probably a step too far at the moment although who knows, he could hold the WBC belt as well.

Price still sounds keen on a Fury fight as well, and to give him credit, he admits that big Tyson will eventually want the fight as well. Perhaps it could be an all British showdown for the WBC title. Stranger things have happened.

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Post by Rowley Wed 09 Jan 2013, 9:27 am

Read somewhere today that Maloney was still looking to put together Fury vs Price and is looking at Anfield with a purse of around a million. I know there are TV issues to be resolved and Fury is well ranked with the WBC but for a domestic tear up between two guys who have not had 40 fights between them that is a serious pay day. Can only hope it is enough for both sides to find a way through their differences as you can’t beat a good domestic rivalry.

As it goes Tina I also agree with you on Price, think he has the potential to be a decent heavyweight and he is certainly the guy I’d back to prevail in a post Klitschko world.

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed 09 Jan 2013, 9:35 am

Rowley wrote:Read somewhere today that Maloney was still looking to put together Fury vs Price and is looking at Anfield with a purse of around a million. I know there are TV issues to be resolved and Fury is well ranked with the WBC but for a domestic tear up between two guys who have not had 40 fights between them that is a serious pay day. Can only hope it is enough for both sides to find a way through their differences as you can’t beat a good domestic rivalry.


That would be some purse for that fight. Filling a footy stadium sounds a bit optimistic to me at this point but I sure as hell would go if Maloney pulled that one off.

As Price alludes to, Fury is looking in a different direction at the moment and who can blame him. He is clearly a touch further down the road towards a title fight and matching up with Price now would be a massive risk. But, having said that, if Maloney could dangle half a million pounds in front of his face, it would take a brave man to turn it down.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 9:54 am

Why does he need 5 fights??..No one out there to teach him anything...

might as well just say..."I don't fancy the Klit boys so I'm waiting them out"

Very brave....

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:06 am

Perhaps he just wants to work on a few things, Truss. He is still relatively green, hasn't had many fights/rounds and if he can get the right opponents, then of course there are people out there to teach him things.

No need to question his bravery.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:09 am

Work on what and who with???

A loss to Klitsy isn't the end of the world...but a win would certainly catapult him into stardom....

More to gain than to lose from fighting a Klit.....and he's got a great chance.....

Seems weak to me.....

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Post by hampo17 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:10 am

Spot on Tina, what's the rush to get to a world title? He hasn't fought anybody who you would really class as European level yet and is still in the early stages of what could be a long career.

Hopefully Thompson will take him a few rounds and we can see what type of engine he has.

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:13 am

But he hasn't got a fight lined up with a Klitschko anyway? Do you want him to sit around and keep quiet until he eventually gets one. He is being pragmatic and realistic. No problems with that.

I'm not privvy to his training camp, and neither are you. Perhaps they feel there are weaknesses there that need some work? Getting a very durable heavyweight from the US or Europe can't be that difficult. You want him to leap from Skelton to Thompson to Wladimir with nothing in between?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:14 am

"Hopefully Thompson will take him a few rounds"....

nothing like a stiff test hey......

What's the rush.....??

Why tread water..obvious to all he doesn't fancy a Klit.....

Never moan about Haye again If this guy hasn't signed to fight a brother by the end of the year!!!!

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Post by hampo17 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:21 am

He isn't treading water though is he, he's going from Skelton to Thompson and there's a big gulf in class between those two fighters. If his next fight is another step up then there isn't really need for complaints.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:24 am

Skelton to Thompson.....

are you having a laugh..

How old was Skelton?????

He's waiting the Klits boys out......other fighters have taken their shot.....

Sure he'll win a version when they've gone but it won't be forgotten by connoisseurs by me the way he went about it..

He'll learn more from a defeat than fighting Thompson....

Tunney v Greb days are long over it seems..

He's ready now...he isn't gonna change..

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:26 am

I think it's more to get a bit more buzz going and that he won't freeze if he fights a K Bro

Going from Sexton and Harrison with a pro crowd to fighting Wladamir infront of 50000 fans agaisn you can be overwhelming

His biggest occasion (where he had the most pressure on him) was his loss in the Olympics where he looked like a rabbit in the headlights and get stopped

He wa as good amateur but needs a tougher test and while Thompson isn't great he is pretty tricky and has pedigree

An Adamek or Arreola would be good as they will make him do the rounds that he needs for future fights

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Post by manos de piedra Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:28 am

Although Price seems one of the more honest and grounded pros out there I don’t really know how much stock to put in his 5 fight plan. Unless they are planning to keep him very busy then 5 fights would suggest next year as a more realistic timeframe. Im pretty sure Maloney said he would have failed Price as a promoter if he hadn’t delivered him a world title fight by the end of 2013. I would assume they have a plan for Price but 5 fights is a bit vague and doesn’t really mean much. You have to take it one fight at a time to some extent and assess performance and select the right opponents. In a sense I would agree with TRUSSMAN that its probably more likely a statement to say, hey, I wont be fighting a Klitschko anytime soon so don’t push me too. Takes the pressure off him to jump right in which I think is sensible at least with regards to Wlad who I think Price is nowhere near ready for.

Id be pretty confident this will be Vitalis last year so anyone in the the top 5 ranking of the WBC will probably be keen for Vitali to retire and scramble for the vacant. Certainly in 5 fights Vitali will have retired so Price may be looking at whoever takes over. I doubt it will be Wlad who gets the WBC belt unless Haye beats Vitali and rematches him. The rest will probably want to avoid him if they win it. Fury looks to be the more likely candidate to get in the mix there than Price at the moment so Price v Fury I think is highly unlikely for 2013 unless Fury can upset Vitali or win the vacant.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 10:28 am

How motivated will Thompson be????

One look at Bruno's record shows he learned sack all from having Tillis, Williams, Ribalta shipped over for a few final bucks.........

He's as complete as he'll ever be..

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Post by Mr Bounce Wed 09 Jan 2013, 11:40 am

Truss I don't believe that Price will gain anything from fighting a K bro anytime soon other than humiliation. He's not far enough up the rankings yet and blowing out a few past-their-best Brits won't help him in getting a test.

He needs a Thompson to gauge where he is, then a few more sturdy tests such as (as previously mentioned) Arreola, Adamek or perhaps someone like Chagaev. They're all experienced, previous title challengers/holders and can all take a dig. Doing a good 7-9 round breakdown/workout on these guys would certainly prove more and do more for his confidence than just chucking him in at the deep end.

And why shouldn't he say no to Klitschko fight? He's only had 15 pro bouts and if he's not sure he's ready then he most likely isn't. Nothing to gain yet. Wald will be around a while yet so no great worry.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 09 Jan 2013, 12:24 pm

Thompson will be crushed. Price is going to end up pretty one dimensional at this rate but does that matter in today's heavyweight division?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 1:13 pm

He is what he is Haz....and it's enough......

Beating faded types and stiffs won't change him.......

Only time you adapt is when you have to............

He's ready now as is fury!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by seanmichaels Wed 09 Jan 2013, 1:16 pm

Agreed. Is Price a better fighter after Harrison and Skelton?

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Post by Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake Wed 09 Jan 2013, 1:24 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He is what he is Haz....and it's enough......

Beating faded types and stiffs won't change him.......

Only time you adapt is when you have to............

He's ready now as is fury!!!!!!!!!!

When you talk in real life, do you throw in the daft dramatic pauses?

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Post by Guest Wed 09 Jan 2013, 1:47 pm

As and when Price beats Thompson, there's no-one else who going to help him bridge that gulf between the K's and the chasing pack. Like TRUSS, I think Price needs to get in there and go for broke. As Haye discovered, playing it safe isn't going to win any fights or any admirers (certainly on here). The extremely limited Wach showed that Wlad still doesn't know how to cope with being tagged and I'd wager that Price has more than enough in his arsenal to land that right hand of his and if he does, I think he has enough to end the fight.

If I was Maloney, I'd get Price in there asap because if by some miracle, Fury gets in beforehand and beats Wlad, you can bet you eyes that Fat Mick will make Price and Maloney jump through hoops to get their title shot.

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Post by manos de piedra Wed 09 Jan 2013, 2:15 pm

Price would be foolish to go near Wlad now in my view. If Fury beats him to a shot at Wlad great, grab some popcorn and watch the guy whos been slagging you off get a beating.

I think it would be smarter to target to easier WBC but Fury seems to be ahead of him in the pack in that regard. I dont think Fury will go near Wlad. He will either fight for the post WBC title or if hes feeling especially brave, take on Vitali for it.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 2:25 pm

That matchup has everything.

1. Liverpool vs Manchester
2. Straight Talker vs Trash Talker
3. Heavyweight title fight
4. Bad Blood

The funny thing is that fight (if it happens) and the Haye vs Chisora fight have had far more appeal worldwide than any of the recent Klitchsko fights. Really shows how bad the Heavyweight division is at the moment.

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Post by manos de piedra Wed 09 Jan 2013, 2:44 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:That matchup has everything.

1. Liverpool vs Manchester
2. Straight Talker vs Trash Talker
3. Heavyweight title fight
4. Bad Blood

The funny thing is that fight (if it happens) and the Haye vs Chisora fight have had far more appeal worldwide than any of the recent Klitchsko fights. Really shows how bad the Heavyweight division is at the moment.

If by wordwide appeal you mean the U.K.....

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Post by Strongback Wed 09 Jan 2013, 4:17 pm

Price would be a very boring world champ. Fury on the other hand is comedy gold.

Did you guys have a thread on the MMA radio station interview with Fury? Laugh

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Post by Lance Wed 09 Jan 2013, 4:37 pm

i dont think price fought skelton or harrison to learn anything. he fought them to earn a living. and he will continue to fights stiffs until he cant sell these fights anymore. then he might go after a big fight. he wont ruin his earning potential by risking a loss to a top fighter just yet. hes not had many fights and he wants a bit more money in the bank before he goes looking for the world straps.

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Post by dragonbreath Wed 09 Jan 2013, 5:09 pm

The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 09 Jan 2013, 5:13 pm

I used to like Price until he faced Harrisson and then Skelton. Two joke fights in a row.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 5:45 pm

dragonbreath wrote:The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

And how exactly would you know that, given that the only clean shot he's taken in the pro-ranks was an un-defended sucker punch after the ref called stop-boxing??

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 09 Jan 2013, 5:50 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
dragonbreath wrote:The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

And how exactly would you know that, given that the only clean shot he's taken in the pro-ranks was an un-defended sucker punch after the ref called stop-boxing??

A 45 year old D grade Skelton had some success against him.

No one knows how he will do against an arreola or a povetkin though. He might do good or bad.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 5:54 pm

victorgarco wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
dragonbreath wrote:The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

And how exactly would you know that, given that the only clean shot he's taken in the pro-ranks was an un-defended sucker punch after the ref called stop-boxing??

A 45 year old D grade Skelton had some success against him.

No one knows how he will do against an arreola or a povetkin though. He might do good or bad.

About 30 secs of success before getting well and truly mullered.

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Post by dragonbreath Wed 09 Jan 2013, 6:22 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
dragonbreath wrote:The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

And how exactly would you know that, given that the only clean shot he's taken in the pro-ranks was an un-defended sucker punch after the ref called stop-boxing??

I don't, its just my opinion which differs from yours, which is also just an opinion. For me he has the look of Frank Bruno, heavy handed but panics when put under pressure. He looked very disorganised and clumsy at times against Skelton. Oh and not to forget his performance at the Olympics where winning Bronze at SH is not much better than coming 3rd in Prizefighter.

Anyway we will see. I don't wish the lad any ill, but hope Thompson arrives with some ambition as I am as interested as anyone else to see how he copes with a live opponent

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Post by Lance Wed 09 Jan 2013, 8:43 pm

i reckon arreola would stop price within a couple of rounds. arreola has become largely underrated. if price walked him down in a straight line, as ive seen him do with others, would hurt him

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Post by azania Wed 09 Jan 2013, 8:46 pm

Price will never get battered. To get battered you have to have the ability to take a punch or two. One stiff jab followed by a cold stare at his chin will be enough to turn him into quivering jelly.

He reminds me of Bruno in that he fights according to a manual on train tracks.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 09 Jan 2013, 9:04 pm

Price beats Arreola easily.......

6ft 8.....and heavy handed.....he'll intimidate quite a few opponents....

have to factor that in..........

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Post by SharkSoul Wed 09 Jan 2013, 11:05 pm

Lance wrote:i reckon arreola would stop price within a couple of rounds. arreola has become largely underrated. if price walked him down in a straight line, as ive seen him do with others, would hurt him

Amazing. This is up there with the best. A consummate professional athlete who is blessed with heavy hands verses Mexicos Butterbean who gases getting his gloves laced up? Behave Lance whether you're a Man Utd fan and/or a Fury fan don't let that dictate your opinion of Price.

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Post by Lance Wed 09 Jan 2013, 11:50 pm

SharkSoul wrote:
Lance wrote:i reckon arreola would stop price within a couple of rounds. arreola has become largely underrated. if price walked him down in a straight line, as ive seen him do with others, would hurt him

Amazing. This is up there with the best. A consummate professional athlete who is blessed with heavy hands verses Mexicos Butterbean who gases getting his gloves laced up? Behave Lance whether you're a Man Utd fan and/or a Fury fan don't let that dictate your opinion of Price.

amazing??? wtf. i like price, certainly more than i do fury anyway. but arreola is massively underrated. i thought he beat Adamek, and that would have been a better win than any current british heavy has on their record. id rank arreola behind the klits, povetkin and solis only. the stiverne fight is a good match up too

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:09 am

SharkSoul wrote:
Lance wrote:i reckon arreola would stop price within a couple of rounds. arreola has become largely underrated. if price walked him down in a straight line, as ive seen him do with others, would hurt him

Amazing. This is up there with the best. A consummate professional athlete who is blessed with heavy hands verses Mexicos Butterbean who gases getting his gloves laced up? Behave Lance whether you're a Man Utd fan and/or a Fury fan don't let that dictate your opinion of Price.

Sorry you think that a novice who has had 15 fights against old grade D domestic level opposition would be able to beat Arreola, a guy who has fought at the top level for over half a decade? Behave!

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Post by SharkSoul Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:32 am

Who has he fought at this supposed 'Top Level' you talk about? Yes taking nothing away from getting in the ring with Vitali but aside from Adamek who is a blown up Cruiserweight who Arreola lost to are you talking about guys like Brian Minto, Manuel Quezada, Joey Abell, Nagy Aguilera, Kendrick Releford, Friday Ahunanya, Raphael Butler?

Some 'Top Level' Vic. Price v Arreola my money would comfortably go on Price.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:40 am

SharkSoul wrote:Who has he fought at this supposed 'Top Level' you talk about? Yes taking nothing away from getting in the ring with Vitali but aside from Adamek who is a blown up Cruiserweight who Arreola lost to are you talking about guys like Brian Minto, Manuel Quezada, Joey Abell, Nagy Aguilera, Kendrick Releford, Friday Ahunanya, Raphael Butler?

Some 'Top Level' Vic. Price v Arreola my money would comfortably go on Price.

jameel mcline, weatherspoon.

But Price wont fight arreola because arreola is under 40.

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Post by Lance Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:43 am

SharkSoul wrote:Who has he fought at this supposed 'Top Level' you talk about? Yes taking nothing away from getting in the ring with Vitali but aside from Adamek who is a blown up Cruiserweight who Arreola lost to are you talking about guys like Brian Minto, Manuel Quezada, Joey Abell, Nagy Aguilera, Kendrick Releford, Friday Ahunanya, Raphael Butler?

Some 'Top Level' Vic. Price v Arreola my money would comfortably go on Price.

adamek is a quality heavyweight. you also missed off walker, mccline and witherspoon who are all much better than the likes of audley and sexton. you wouldnt be the only putting your money on price im sure, but to suggest arreola beating him is ridiculous is pure arrogance. price hasnt been tested yet, and hasnt been near anybody of arreolas calibre

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Post by SharkSoul Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:52 am

To think Arreola would stop Price in a couple of rounds is also arrogant and ridiculous. Adamek isn't a quality heavyweight, Very good Cruiserweight but to small for Heavyweight in my opinion. Technically he is a very good boxer also but just caught inbetween Crusier/Heavyweight and forced to move up after fighting in the nothing category of Crusierweight.

As much as I don't particularly like David Haye I believe that he would also beat Arreola along with Povetkin and Solis yeah.

Technically Price is the superior boxer and granted he is still in his 'infancy' of his heavyweight career but based on what I've seen of him and the same going for Arreola I do believe he would beat him regardless of the opposition he has been in with.

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Post by Lance Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:57 am

SharkSoul wrote:To think Arreola would stop Price in a couple of rounds is also arrogant and ridiculous. Adamek isn't a quality heavyweight, Very good Cruiserweight but to small for Heavyweight in my opinion. Technically he is a very good boxer also but just caught inbetween Crusier/Heavyweight and forced to move up after fighting in the nothing category of Crusierweight.

As much as I don't particularly like David Haye I believe that he would also beat Arreola along with Povetkin and Solis yeah.

Technically Price is the superior boxer and granted he is still in his 'infancy' of his heavyweight career but based on what I've seen of him and the same going for Arreola I do believe he would beat him regardless of the opposition he has been in with.

i said what i thought would happen and stand by it, i wasnt criticizing anybody elses opinions, thats arrogance. they are both heavy hitters, who are good at finishing opponents off, and neither are particularly blessed with great footwork, i would be surprised if it went past 3 rounds either way. price is yet to be a competitive fight and it seems fair to put arreola as the favourite.

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Post by SharkSoul Thu 10 Jan 2013, 1:04 am

I can respect that you stand by your opinion Lance and wouldn't want you to amend it on my behalf and that's what makes this a forum where we debate and discuss the reasoning behind our very opinions.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 10 Jan 2013, 9:55 am

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dragonbreath wrote:The first time he comes up against a decent operator who doesn't fold when he hits them Price is in big trouble. Hasn't a clue how to defend himself and will be battered probably sooner rather than later. Thats not the end of the world but he has a hell of a lot of work to do IMO

And how exactly would you know that, given that the only clean shot he's taken in the pro-ranks was an un-defended sucker punch after the ref called stop-boxing??

I don't, its just my opinion which differs from yours, which is also just an opinion. For me he has the look of Frank Bruno, heavy handed but panics when put under pressure. He looked very disorganised and clumsy at times against Skelton. Oh and not to forget his performance at the Olympics where winning Bronze at SH is not much better than coming 3rd in Prizefighter.

Anyway we will see. I don't wish the lad any ill, but hope Thompson arrives with some ambition as I am as interested as anyone else to see how he copes with a live opponent

A phrase like "hasn't a clue how to defend himself" is much more statement than opinion. And an opinion has to be based on something, even Az who loves a good rant against Price at least has some (I'd say rubbish) examples/evidence to support his view that Price is chinny. I'm not countering your assertion by saying I think Price has good defence, I'm not forwarding that opinion because I have nothing to base it on. He simply hasn't been tested apart from 30 secs of rough-housing from Skelton therefore it is impossible to draw conclusions as to how good his defence is. Who knows, he may fight Fury, a guy who can match him for height/reach, and we may see he has excellent ability to slip the jab for example, it may also show that he has none and gets tagged repeatedly. We just don't know.

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Post by eddyfightfan Thu 10 Jan 2013, 12:23 pm

i think lance is on to something with arrerola, whilst i think price is a talent, and beats many top class heavys (solis, wach, boystov), i think price will struggle with come forward fighters (skelton doesnt count because he could hardly throw a proper punch) who have a solid chin. haye, arrerola, puluev and possibliy even chisora would give price huge problems imo, i think chisora or adamek will make good opponents as neither of them can dig that hard really, but pressure well. price really does need his chin tested, the amatuer knockouts will always leave people wandering if he can take a shot untill he proves himself in pros.

no matter how good you seem 14 fights against faded domestic opponents will never ready you for top class opponents, and price needs experience if he plans on winning a k bro. i know he knocked skleton out but he looked poor until he did so.

his saving grace despite his (possibly unfounded) flaws is he can knock anybody in the world out and nobody i know of has a longer reach, which is a huge advantage when you box long like he does.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 10 Jan 2013, 1:17 pm

Tyson Fury's reach is actually longer, longest in the world I believe.

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Post by Guest Thu 10 Jan 2013, 2:54 pm

Only problem is that I believe it will extend his actual grasp by some considerable distance

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Post by Union Cane Thu 10 Jan 2013, 3:13 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tyson Fury's reach is actually longer, longest in the world I believe.

85 inches, the same as Valuev and Primo Carnera.
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Post by Union Cane Thu 10 Jan 2013, 3:26 pm

Manute Bol once fought William "The Refrigerator" Perry in a celebrity match, does that count?

Bol's reach was 102 inches.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 10 Jan 2013, 3:34 pm

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TopHat24/7 wrote:Tyson Fury's reach is actually longer, longest in the world I believe.

85 inches, the same as Valuev and Primo Carnera.

So I was right then.

V impressive to be as long as the big freak was. Also, didn't realise Primo was THAT big!

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