Haye reapplies for British licence.

by **hampo17** Thu 17 Jan 2013, 3:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

Subject to medical checks the board are expected to accept his application, but could this mean a deal with Vitali is close?

Haye has constantly said he would only fight Vitali or retire, and mentioned they've been in talks for a while during his gyms open day. Haye vs Vitali this summer anyone?

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:14 pm

I have no doubt in my mind at all Victor that I know significantly more about boxing than you. You may well think it's nonsense but on the flip side I find it nonsense that you think any of Wlads opposition are as good as Bruno or Berbick let alone the great pair of Holmes and Spinks.

On a side note it may help me take you more seriously if you managed to spell boxers names right, it's BERBICK.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:21 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I have no doubt in my mind at all Victor that I know significantly more about boxing than you. You may well think it's nonsense but on the flip side I find it nonsense that you think any of Wlads opposition are as good as Bruno or Berbick let alone the great pair of Holmes and Spinks.

On a side note it may help me take you more seriously if you managed to spell boxers names right, it's BERBICK.

Does that help you sleep at night that you THINK you know more about boxing than someone you're debating with? Must be embarrassing for you that I am outclassing you then.

How many people are there called Wladamir who are HW champs? last time I checked it was one. It's not Wlads it is Wlad's.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:29 pm

You couldn't outclass anybody on here, Gordy got the better of you Victor that in itself says it all.

Out of interest who was the most highly regarded british heavyweight in the late 1980's?

If you do insist on trying to correct my grammar at least spell his name right, it's Wladimir.

by azania Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:41 pm

victorgarco wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:I have no doubt in my mind at all Victor that I know significantly more about boxing than you. You may well think it's nonsense but on the flip side I find it nonsense that you think any of Wlads opposition are as good as Bruno or Berbick let alone the great pair of Holmes and Spinks.

On a side note it may help me take you more seriously if you managed to spell boxers names right, it's BERBICK.

Does that help you sleep at night that you THINK you know more about boxing than someone you're debating with? Must be embarrassing for you that I am outclassing you then.

How many people are there called Wladamir who are HW champs? last time I checked it was one. It's not Wlads it is Wlad's.

Sorry son. I've had many run ins with Ghosty in the past and no doubt we will lock horns again in future. But to say you are remotely winning this debate is simply laughable. No offense.

by Super D Boon Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:47 pm

Gee whizz! How she has grown since I planted my seeds a couple of days ago! Very Happy

by azania Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:50 pm

Wums are on board.

by Super D Boon Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:54 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I don't think wlad has ever shown the ability to pull off a performance like Douglas. The jab, the movement, the power, the variation and the heart were all better than wlad is capable of.

A miserable statement based on no thing at all. How could you possibly know what Wlad is capable of given he's never had to face anyone like Tyson. As far as I can see Wlad has dealt with everything he's faced, (even a supposeldy lethal puncher like Tyson in Haye) with consummate ease.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:57 pm

Dealt with the one handed Sanders well..............

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 20 Jan 2013, 10:57 pm

It's based on what i've seen Boony, i've not seen a fight of his where he's shown anything that Douglas did that night and to beat Tyson you would need to put in an extra special performance. Doing it against the Hayes of the world is all well and good but Tyson is a different beast altogether.

by Super D Boon Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:03 pm

monty junior wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Frank on the front foot with that big jab takes away Wlad's main weapon. Wlad simply cannot fight going backwards and Frank is heavy handed enough to have Wlad back pedalling at the first sign of trouble thus negating any offense. Wlad is highly unlikely to go on the front foot in that match as he'd be wary of Frank's power so I'd suggest Bruno has the advantage.

As for Haye, he may or may not engage Frank but there's not way Frank can counter Haye. Bruno simply wasn't a counter puncher. Haye is unlikely to stand in front of him and let's not suggest Frank was a master at cutting off the ring. When tagged, Haye has enough smarts to get on his bike, Bruno doesn't. Frank wouldn't be scared but he'd certain be wary. Certainly if he watched the way Haye dispatched the Chisora (who took everything Vitali had and more).

Don't get me wrong, if he catches Haye flush, then there's going to be trouble but when you consider Bruno's weakness was that when hit on the chin, his brain shut down and the fight ended fairly soon afterwards, Haye certainly hits hard enough to get the job done

So Haye counters and KO's Bruno, something he was totally unable to do against Wlad, who's a weaker and inferior version of Bruno.

Wlad is a "weaker inferior" version of Bruno? i know this is a British board but this is nigh on moronic. Bruno has nothing that's better than Wlad, he's slow, robotic, poorly balanced, no idea how to tie up when hit. It's amazing how guys get some sort of aura about them when they have been retired for a decade or so. It's just a myth, Bruno lost every big fight he had except getting the W against a junkie. It's a shame Wlad get's so little respect when it comes to even average fighters in a past era, Bruno was a big puncher so he's a threat to anyone theoretically but 99/100 he would get outboxed and stopped as soon as Klitschko opens up a bit. He was awful when hurt.

I watched the Tyson v Bruno II fight last night and forgot just how lame Bruno was that night. It was a shocker given it was Sky's first PPV fight ever and there was uproar and campaigns to get the PPV cost of £10 lifed. I remember it well!

Anyway Bruno absolutely bricked it from start to finish and looked like a body builder who'd overdone the juice rather than a boxer. Had no pop in his jab and his inside work comprised of grabbing hold of Tyson for dear life or throwing the odd weak uppercut whilst back peddling furiously. Yet, this man apparently beats the hell outta Wlad withing 3 rounds and beats Vitali too! Probably both on the same night according to many posters on here.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:04 pm

Because he was scared of Tyson.....Corrie Sanders would probably have been too!!

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:05 pm

He wasn't scared stiff of Lewis though was he Boon so don't quite see your point.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:11 pm

I cannot believe we are talking about a one dimensional plodder that got destroyed off Corrie sanders beating Tyson.. who for me you can only pick Ali beating with any certainty...

Joke..................

by azania Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:13 pm

Super D Boon wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:I don't think wlad has ever shown the ability to pull off a performance like Douglas. The jab, the movement, the power, the variation and the heart were all better than wlad is capable of.

A miserable statement based on no thing at all. How could you possibly know what Wlad is capable of given he's never had to face anyone like Tyson. As far as I can see Wlad has dealt with everything he's faced, (even a supposeldy lethal puncher like Tyson in Haye) with consummate ease.

How the hell can you compare Tyson with Haye? Do you see Haye doing anything other that ambush hits against Wlad? Do you think Tyson would employ hit and run tactics?

by azania Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I cannot believe we are talking about a one dimensional plodder that got destroyed off Corrie sanders beating Tyson.. who for me you can only pick Ali beating with any certainty...

Joke..................

Hold on Trussy. Tyson beats Wlad with ease for me. But Wlad is not a one dimensional plodder. Good at what he does, just not in Mike's league.

by Champagne_Socialist Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:19 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I cannot believe we are talking about a one dimensional plodder that got destroyed off Corrie sanders beating Tyson.. who for me you can only pick Ali beating with any certainty...

Joke..................

You are the joke. Tyson lost many fights so to say only Ali can beat him is stupid.

if you are talking about ptime buster douglas beat him.

by azania Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:23 pm

Ali lost many fights also. In fact Ali lost to Leon Spinks when he was 35. Seeing as you like to look at ages to see how great a fighter is. I can't see Wlad losing to Leon at the same age. Can you? Ali must be over-rated then.

Actually I can't believe I'm responding to an obvious wum, albeit a slow witted one.

by TheMackemMawler Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:46 pm

Well if we are having an age debate. Tyson was finished at 23 year old.

by TheMackemMawler Sun 20 Jan 2013, 11:59 pm

And a 38 year old Holmes would have been the oldest heavyweight champ in history had he won (but he did the square route of nothing and lost)

by Imperial Ghosty Mon 21 Jan 2013, 10:29 am

No answer to my question then Victor?

by milkyboy Mon 21 Jan 2013, 10:37 am

Not sure re all this heated debate about wlad v Tyson. Marciano takes both out in the same evening and twice on Sundays.

by Rowley Mon 21 Jan 2013, 10:42 am

milkyboy wrote:Not sure re all this heated debate about wlad v Tyson. Marciano takes both out in the same evening and twice on Sundays.

Pah, put em all in a fight to the finish bare knuckler with the Boston Strong Boy, lets see what they're made of.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 11:06 am

Boston strong boy.....

I'm retired.

by Rowley Mon 21 Jan 2013, 11:13 am

Truss I would dearly love to see you in a fight to the finish with either Wlad or Tyson, would happily pay the £15 for that PPV

by milkyboy Mon 21 Jan 2013, 11:50 am

... And for A proud Yorkshireman, to pay £15 per second of action, that's saying something.

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 21 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm

Hahaha

by Super D Boon Mon 21 Jan 2013, 3:29 pm

victorgarco wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I cannot believe we are talking about a one dimensional plodder that got destroyed off Corrie sanders beating Tyson.. who for me you can only pick Ali beating with any certainty...

Joke..................

You are the joke. Tyson lost many fights so to say only Ali can beat him is stupid.

if you are talking about ptime buster douglas beat him.

Losing to Douglas was a howler in fairness. As much as people laud his perfromance what I saw was a man that looked flat being out-jabbed by a good but limited fighter. Holyfield decided his main tact would be to outjab Douglas, when he implemented that plan Douglas was clueless.

Thing is Tyson looked spectacular against mostly the dregs of the 80s and fat Larry and a completely disinterested Spinks. Some qulaioty like Tucker and of course the menace that is Frank Bruno but not too much really.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 4:45 pm

Douglas was limited yes.....

Outboxed Tucker, Mccall and Tyson.....and the up and coming Mike williams...

Canon fodder for the great Klits...

Shut up...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 4:47 pm

I grew up watching the Tubbs, Witherspoon, Douglas types...some as Amateurs before the pro ranks...

Stop demeaning guys you've never seen more than twice......

by milkyboy Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:08 pm

Hmmm, super, interesting take on Douglas Tyson and Douglas Holyfield. You seem to be picking Douglas as the constant. Others see a uniquely motivated Douglas in one fight, and a lardy disinterested one in the second.

by **88Chris05** Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:11 pm

milkyboy wrote:Others see a uniquely motivated Douglas in one fight, and a lardy disinterested one in the second.

I love that quote by a certain American writer covering the Holyfield-Douglas fight (can't remember who exactly, though!).

"Ali used to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Here, Douglas floated like a buffalo and stung like a gnat."

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:12 pm

Saw a lot of Douglas Milky.....I think had he had Holmes desire and Holy's commitment he'd have been a great heavy champ..

Had great talent and a wonderful jab....

In shape Douglas beats Holy for me...like Bowe did...

by Super D Boon Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

milkyboy wrote:Hmmm, super, interesting take on Douglas Tyson and Douglas Holyfield. You seem to be picking Douglas as the constant. Others see a uniquely motivated Douglas in one fight, and a lardy disinterested one in the second.

I can't help but think the Douglas Tyson fight, whilst being a huge upset at the time has grown legs and started doing the lambada. Tyson was off that night and Douglas fought his heart out. Douglas was similar to Wlad in that he boxed behind a good jab and tied and frustrated Tyson when he got in. Seeing the fight again and again I thought Tyson was flat and Douglas whilst implementing the perfect plan just did the same thing over and over. I fail to see the sheer mastery in his perfromance. It's not like he needed to change tact during the fight he stuck to the script.

As for Douglas Holyfield, any version of Douglas would have lost to Holy. Holyfield took away his jab and Douglas was shown up to be the no more than decent operator he was. As for Douglas outboxing, Tucker, Tyson etc etc......so? I never knew Tucker was anything more than a bloated 80s titleist. Could be wrong though!

by Super D Boon Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Saw a lot of Douglas Milky.....I think had he had Holmes desire and Holy's commitment he'd have been a great heavy champ..

Had great talent and a wonderful jab....

In shape Douglas beats Holy for me...like Bowe did...

Douglas goes nowhere near Holy whatever version shows up!

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:28 pm

Go away..

by Champagne_Socialist Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:35 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Go away..

Why don't you go away!

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:38 pm

Because you two wallies just make statements without backing them up......

I'm saying Douglas was as compact as Bowe...Just as quick with a better jab.....slightly smaller...

Now last time I looked Holy struggled with Bowe....

But two can play......No way Tyson gets near Tommy Burns!! Cool

by **ShahenshahG** Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:42 pm

I think Buster was a little too soft usually even that night he was soft as his eyes held sorrow even as he beat Tyson to a pulp.

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by Champagne_Socialist Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:43 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Because you two wallies just make statements without backing them up......

I'm saying Douglas was as compact as Bowe...Just as quick with a better jab.....slightly smaller...

Now last time I looked Holy struggled with Bowe....

But two can play......No way Tyson gets near Tommy Burns!!

Douglas beat tyson. Holy beat douglas. Holy beat tyson. What is there to debate?

by Rowley Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

But two can play......No way Tyson gets near Tommy Burns!!

Finally after 300+ posts on this thread we get someone talking some sense.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:47 pm

by azania Mon 21 Jan 2013, 5:55 pm

Rowley wrote:
milkyboy wrote:Not sure re all this heated debate about wlad v Tyson. Marciano takes both out in the same evening and twice on Sundays.

Pah, put em all in a fight to the finish bare knuckler with the Boston Strong Boy, lets see what they're made of.

Sounds like a frequent visitor to the Oyster.

by Imperial Ghosty Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:00 pm

Still waiting for an answer Victor...

by azania Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:00 pm

Tyson was very flat that night in Tokyo. Little to no head movement and zero side movement from the hip. But having said that, Douglas put on a masterclass. Brilliance. The Tyson of that night would have been too much for Wlad. Even the Tyson of round 1 against Williams would have KO'd Wlad. No slight on Wlad but he wouldn't have taken those punches and returned.

by azania Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:00 pm

Give it up Ghosty. You're never going to get an answer.

by Super D Boon Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:01 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Because you two wallies just make statements without backing them up......

I'm saying Douglas was as compact as Bowe...Just as quick with a better jab.....slightly smaller...

Now last time I looked Holy struggled with Bowe....

But two can play......No way Tyson gets near Tommy Burns!!

Last time I looked Holy annihilated Douglas. And don't give me that Douglas was fat rubbish on the night because that's no excuse. That's kids' stuff! It's like saying I'm better at physics than you even though you got a better exam mark it's just I didn't revise!

Bowe was much bigger and a damn sight more power than Douglas anyway.

by Super D Boon Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:02 pm

azania wrote:Give it up Ghosty. You're never going to get an answer.

Wait.........since when have you and Ghosty been mates??!!

by azania Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:02 pm

victorgarco wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Because you two wallies just make statements without backing them up......

I'm saying Douglas was as compact as Bowe...Just as quick with a better jab.....slightly smaller...

Now last time I looked Holy struggled with Bowe....

But two can play......No way Tyson gets near Tommy Burns!!

Douglas beat tyson. Holy beat douglas. Holy beat tyson. What is there to debate?

If only life were that simple.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:03 pm

Douglas was thin on that night...

You're a wum....You've seen Douglas twice.......

Go on youtube and watch his career instead of wumming....

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 6:05 pm

Corrie Sanders was limited he knocked Wlad out..Wlad is the worst Heavyweight of alltime..... Doh

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