Haye reapplies for British licence.

by **hampo17** Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:02 am

First topic message reminder :

Subject to medical checks the board are expected to accept his application, but could this mean a deal with Vitali is close?

Haye has constantly said he would only fight Vitali or retire, and mentioned they've been in talks for a while during his gyms open day. Haye vs Vitali this summer anyone?

by AlexHuckerby Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:11 pm

Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

by Lance Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

you might be surprised alex. id certainly favour myself on the intelligence and looks, bank account might be close. i like haye, i genuinely do. he took up one of the most dangerous sports in the world, got himslef rich, famous and very succesful by the time he was in his mid 20s. it just makes me laugh that some of his die hard fans still cling to the fact hes the only guy in the world who can save the klitschkos careers, and boxing in general

by **ShahenshahG** Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:14 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

That can also be said of the elephant man

by Super D Boon Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:18 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Larry was garbage as was the rest of the 80's.......

You've convinced me......I've got Vitali number 3 now just in front of Johnson and foreman...

More garbage..

Ah resorting to toy throwing. Victory is mine! Cool

by Super D Boon Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:23 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Frank on the front foot with that big jab takes away Wlad's main weapon. Wlad simply cannot fight going backwards and Frank is heavy handed enough to have Wlad back pedalling at the first sign of trouble thus negating any offense. Wlad is highly unlikely to go on the front foot in that match as he'd be wary of Frank's power so I'd suggest Bruno has the advantage.

As for Haye, he may or may not engage Frank but there's not way Frank can counter Haye. Bruno simply wasn't a counter puncher. Haye is unlikely to stand in front of him and let's not suggest Frank was a master at cutting off the ring. When tagged, Haye has enough smarts to get on his bike, Bruno doesn't. Frank wouldn't be scared but he'd certain be wary. Certainly if he watched the way Haye dispatched the Chisora (who took everything Vitali had and more).

Don't get me wrong, if he catches Haye flush, then there's going to be trouble but when you consider Bruno's weakness was that when hit on the chin, his brain shut down and the fight ended fairly soon afterwards, Haye certainly hits hard enough to get the job done

I always felt Bruno's jab, albeit correct was a bit telegraphed. I really can't see that telegraph jab getting to it's destination before Wlad's fast ramrod jab. True that Bruno might have power to trouble the less durable K bro but I can't see anything other than Wlad bossing the fight with his jab and setting up the quick big rights and winning it comfortably one way or another. He's too fast for the robotic and much smaller Bruno.

by Imperial Ghosty Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:29 pm

I agree with Truss and Dave on this, neither brother dominates the 80's and pick up a few losses on the way. The Witherspoon who took Holmes all the way beats both while Bruno could take Wlad out if he establishes his jab. Holmes does a number on the pair showing them up and making everyone realise that their jabs aren't actually that great.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:43 pm

Excellent analysis ghosty... Cool

by Imperial Ghosty Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:45 pm

I still think we should chuck Wlad in with Dempsey, Foreman or Tyson, be interesting to know how many seconds he lasts.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:47 pm

He's only heard of Tubbs, Page and Witherspoon never seen them in shape..

Page was so bad... Holmes vacated so he didn't have to fight him..

by J.Benson II Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:57 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Frank on the front foot with that big jab takes away Wlad's main weapon. Wlad simply cannot fight going backwards and Frank is heavy handed enough to have Wlad back pedalling at the first sign of trouble thus negating any offense. Wlad is highly unlikely to go on the front foot in that match as he'd be wary of Frank's power so I'd suggest Bruno has the advantage.

As for Haye, he may or may not engage Frank but there's not way Frank can counter Haye. Bruno simply wasn't a counter puncher. Haye is unlikely to stand in front of him and let's not suggest Frank was a master at cutting off the ring. When tagged, Haye has enough smarts to get on his bike, Bruno doesn't. Frank wouldn't be scared but he'd certain be wary. Certainly if he watched the way Haye dispatched the Chisora (who took everything Vitali had and more).

Don't get me wrong, if he catches Haye flush, then there's going to be trouble but when you consider Bruno's weakness was that when hit on the chin, his brain shut down and the fight ended fairly soon afterwards, Haye certainly hits hard enough to get the job done

So Haye counters and KO's Bruno, something he was totally unable to do against Wlad, who's a weaker and inferior version of Bruno.

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by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:59 pm

I imagine Bruno's size and 95% KO ratio may have had Haye a tad intimidated....

by Guest Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:25 pm

So Haye counters and KO's Bruno, something he was totally unable to do against Wlad, who's a weaker and inferior version of Bruno

I imagine Bruno's size and 95% KO ratio may have had Haye a tad intimidated....
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Something slightly less intimidating about Frank after you watched him cross himself to death on the way to Tyson II

Still, just an opinion I hold and haven't stated Bruno stands no chance

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:26 pm

That was Tyson 2.....

Bruno fancied a piece of Lewis pie..so no reason to worry about Haye..

by rycoys Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:54 pm

Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

what a load of rubbish! haye would be a massive fight for vitali in germany alone, for you think otherwise and stereotype people because of your dislike for a boxer makes me think reading nuts mag is your favourite past time.

by AlexHuckerby Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:41 am

Lance wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

you might be surprised alex. id certainly favour myself on the intelligence and looks, bank account might be close. i like haye, i genuinely do. he took up one of the most dangerous sports in the world, got himslef rich, famous and very succesful by the time he was in his mid 20s. it just makes me laugh that some of his die hard fans still cling to the fact hes the only guy in the world who can save the klitschkos careers, and boxing in general

Was actually talking to Gordy, as he is by all intents and purposes an absolute prat.

But you are making me suspicious that you are Lumbering Cack in disguise with answers like that. Laugh

by Super D Boon Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:58 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I imagine Bruno's size and 95% KO ratio may have had Haye a tad intimidated....

A KO ration against scrubs. All the decent fighters stood up.

by Super D Boon Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:01 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I still think we should chuck Wlad in with Dempsey, Foreman or Tyson, be interesting to know how many seconds he lasts.

I aint gonna comment on Dempsey as hold no real knowledge of him. A prime Mike could get tamed by the jab and Foreman was a big bully boy slugger with no head movement and poor footwork. I'm not saying Wlad would emerge victorious but I'd say Wlad he would last rather a lot of seconds against both.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:09 am

All scrubs...................

Carl Williams and Gerrie Coetzee are better than anything Vitali has beat...

by Imperial Ghosty Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:14 am

Super D Boon wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:I still think we should chuck Wlad in with Dempsey, Foreman or Tyson, be interesting to know how many seconds he lasts.

I aint gonna comment on Dempsey as hold no real knowledge of him. A prime Mike could get tamed by the jab and Foreman was a big bully boy slugger with no head movement and poor footwork. I'm not saying Wlad would emerge victorious but I'd say Wlad he would last rather a lot of seconds against both.

Wlad would be terrified of facing Tyson so you can forget him taming Mike. You needed more than a jab to beat Tyson you needed balls something Douglas had that night and something Holyfield had in abundance but something Wlad is severely lacking. Likewise with Foreman, it took the great Ali to beat him and to be honest he's in a different stratosphere to Wlad. The fear he would have all three would result in a swift and conclusive knockout.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:16 am

Be manslaughter Wlad vs Tyson wouldn't it...Ghost

He is so slow and open...

Bit of head movement...get inside and let the hooks go...

If he heard the third bell I'd be surprised!!

by Imperial Ghosty Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:20 am

It's easy to implement your gameplan when you have no fear of your opponent, reminds me of Camacho in many ways had the ability to beat Chavez but didn't have the balls to beat him.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:25 am

Camacho was on the slide when he fought Chavez.............

Certainly ballsed it out against Rosario.....

Bit harsh there...ghosty.

by manos de piedra Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 am

Id back Tyson to stop Wlad. I dont think Wlad would be scared of him though. Wary of his power, as any sensible boxer would be. But from what I have seen hes mentally quite strong and resilient. I think people confuse because his chin is fragile, his mental strength must be also. Mentally stronger than Tyson thats for sure.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 am

Wouldn't get the chance to show he's mentally stronger!!

Would be interesting to see him in against a post incarceration Mike....

.But 87 Tyson is a mismatch...

by Guest Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:47 am

Rowley wrote: He fights with all the regularity that I do .

One fight every two years is still pretty good going for someone who isn't Welsh, Rowley.I do hope you're not taking things out on 'er indoors.

by Imperial Ghosty Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:50 am

I don't think getting big bro to fight for you shows great mental strength personally.

by Super D Boon Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:23 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Be manslaughter Wlad vs Tyson wouldn't it...Ghost

He is so slow and open...

Bit of head movement...get inside and let the hooks go...

If he heard the third bell I'd be surprised!!

For a supposedly knowledgeable poster I cannot fathom how you can say Wlad is slow! Haye for all his faults is known to be quick as a heavyweight yet was visibly shell-shocked at how this supposedly robotic and stationery target was so agile and hard to hit.

I'd say Wlad could possibly beat Tyson as he could be controlled with a good jab and Wlad would lean on him when he got inside. Douglas that night had no inside game whatsoever, all he did was tie Tyson up and frustrate, then keep him on the end of the jab and throw the right bombs when the opportunity presented itself. Over and over again.

As for Foreman, he was a stationery lump that threw bombs and had no head movement of any description. I watched the rumble in the jungle fight last week and of course Ali was great but could not belive how stupid Foreman was that night and echoed the statements of Frazier ringside in that Foreman fought a stupid uncontrolled fight but the amount of jabs he ate up flush without so much as a twitch of his head was beggars belief. Wlad would land at will on Foreman.

Not saying that Tyson and Foreman couldn;t spark him but both Tyson and Foreman had weaknesses that Wlad could exploit.

by Super D Boon Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:27 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:All scrubs...................

Carl Williams and Gerrie Coetzee are better than anything Vitali has beat...

Gerrie Coetzee was pretty much shot and Carl Williams I've never heard of. Bruno only beat one top 10 heavyweight in his career and that was because Oliver raided his grans medicine cabinet before the fight.

by John Bloody Wayne Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:20 am

Super D Boon wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:I still think we should chuck Wlad in with Dempsey, Foreman or Tyson, be interesting to know how many seconds he lasts.

I aint gonna comment on Dempsey as hold no real knowledge of him. A prime Mike could get tamed by the jab and Foreman was a big bully boy slugger with no head movement and poor footwork. I'm not saying Wlad would emerge victorious but I'd say Wlad he would last rather a lot of seconds against both.

Haye reapplies for British licence. - Page 2 Lmao

by Super D Boon Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:20 pm

Thanks for the picture of Trussman and Imperial. I always wondered what they looked like. laughing

by monty junior Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:17 pm

J.Benson II wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Frank on the front foot with that big jab takes away Wlad's main weapon. Wlad simply cannot fight going backwards and Frank is heavy handed enough to have Wlad back pedalling at the first sign of trouble thus negating any offense. Wlad is highly unlikely to go on the front foot in that match as he'd be wary of Frank's power so I'd suggest Bruno has the advantage.

As for Haye, he may or may not engage Frank but there's not way Frank can counter Haye. Bruno simply wasn't a counter puncher. Haye is unlikely to stand in front of him and let's not suggest Frank was a master at cutting off the ring. When tagged, Haye has enough smarts to get on his bike, Bruno doesn't. Frank wouldn't be scared but he'd certain be wary. Certainly if he watched the way Haye dispatched the Chisora (who took everything Vitali had and more).

Don't get me wrong, if he catches Haye flush, then there's going to be trouble but when you consider Bruno's weakness was that when hit on the chin, his brain shut down and the fight ended fairly soon afterwards, Haye certainly hits hard enough to get the job done

So Haye counters and KO's Bruno, something he was totally unable to do against Wlad, who's a weaker and inferior version of Bruno.

Wlad is a "weaker inferior" version of Bruno? i know this is a British board but this is nigh on moronic. Bruno has nothing that's better than Wlad, he's slow, robotic, poorly balanced, no idea how to tie up when hit. It's amazing how guys get some sort of aura about them when they have been retired for a decade or so. It's just a myth, Bruno lost every big fight he had except getting the W against a junkie. It's a shame Wlad get's so little respect when it comes to even average fighters in a past era, Bruno was a big puncher so he's a threat to anyone theoretically but 99/100 he would get outboxed and stopped as soon as Klitschko opens up a bit. He was awful when hurt.

by monty junior Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:24 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I don't think getting big bro to fight for you shows great mental strength personally.

I think when he told him to retire in 2004 and he's came back and has won every fight with ease but one since show's he has a lot of mental strength. He will go down as a top 10 ATG, not by the haters, of which there are many but neutral fans ( doesn't include me of course) who appreciate although he isn't the most exciting since he started with the late Manny, he has become the world's number one heavyweight and dominated the division to the extent unmatched since Joe Louis.

by Champagne_Socialist Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:55 pm

I think Wlad is the worst kind of fighter for Tyson. Tyson hated going against fighters who could jab from distance and grab and hold when tysob got inside.

I think Wlad would jab him all night and grab and hold and lean on him whenever tyson got on the inside.

If tyson manages to land a bomb on Wlad's chin he could KO him but I think Wlad would fight like he did against haye which would stop tyson doing this ie great footwork and defensive work.

Anyway it is pointless doing these match ups as fans of one fighter will say he will win and fans of the other will say he will win.

by Champagne_Socialist Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:56 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

And will probably die younger or get mental health problems a lot younger too though, eh

by **ShahenshahG** Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:59 pm

Although I think you are partially riht Victor I'd favour Tyson because he is fast and throws excellent combos. I imagine he'd get throuh and take out wlad but if it went into the later rounds (big big if) then what you say could come into play. More often than not though wlad gets flattened

by Champagne_Socialist Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:21 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Although I think you are partially riht Victor I'd favour Tyson because he is fast and throws excellent combos. I imagine he'd get throuh and take out wlad but if it went into the later rounds (big big if) then what you say could come into play. More often than not though wlad gets flattened

Before the Wlad v haye fight i would have said tyson would win cos he has too much speed. But wlad was excellent at avoiding haye and neutralising haye's speed.

Also Tyson bobs and weaves a lot to get into punching range and I think wlad would just lean on him and tire tyson out. Wlad is 6ft6 and 18 stone and him leaning on tyson would really tire tyson out. tyson suffered from stamina issues so the leaning and holding would be a tactic wlad would employ a lot.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:52 pm

True - but Haye is Poopie in the grand scheme of things - despite Tysons frailties he was blessed with excellent talent. Haye is very quick but doesnt do anything with it except run away and lunge in and out. Tyson slipped the jab well and moved well to throw Combos relelnlessly charging forward. Wlads jab miht give him trouble but a few times at least he gets through and lands the forceful punches. Wlad moves very well for a big man but he moves straight back initially which might put him on or near the ropes which traps him - against many other heavies this might not be a problem because he'd have enough time to move. Against Tyson he'd have little time to breathe so it could be his undoing.

Haye doesnt throw enough, move effectively or hit hard enough to exploit wlads frailties, Tyson is one of the few i'd back to have an easyish night against wlad.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:57 am

Wlad wont be going down as a top ten heavyweight at any point, great fighters like Tyson, Frazier, Holyfield and Liston barely get in at all. If you're putting Wlads chin in against the power of a Liston, Foreman, Tyson or Lewis it is going to end early, they will land early and when they do it's good night.

Using Wlads fight against Haye as a means of saying how he beats Tyson is ridiculous, different fighters completely.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:32 am

Think people forget how fast and hard to hit Tyson was in his prime.....

Wlad is no quicker than Holmes was at 38...he lost all three rounds before being squashed in the 4th...

Holmes was a schooled type..

by John Bloody Wayne Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:18 am

Super D Boon wrote:Thanks for the picture of Trussman and Imperial. I always wondered what they looked like.

It was certainly my facial expression when I found out Foreman had poor foot work!

by John Bloody Wayne Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:20 am

victorgarco wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

And will probably die younger or get mental health problems a lot younger too though, eh

From all the clean punches he takes?

by **ShahenshahG** Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:23 am

John Bloody Wayne wrote:
victorgarco wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

And will probably die younger or get mental health problems a lot younger too though, eh

From all the clean punches he takes?

Probably by just being himself.

by milkyboy Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:38 am

Although he was losing the fight, Holmes was competitive and showed how to beat Tyson... Gave buster the blue print.

Not impossible to me that wlad could beat Tyson, but he'd have to negotiate a very tricky 5 rounds to do so. As tyson threw combo's not one off lunges like haye, im unconvinced that wlad could consistently avoid punches 2 and 3.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:51 am

With no chin and no survival instinct you can't beat Tyson.

by Strongback Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:53 am

You would think I would take pleasure in being so right about Haye, going right back to before the Valuev fight.

I called it early.

Haye completely and utterly fulfilling my prophecy should make me happy but all it leaves me with is an emptiness, a longing for a better time when heavyweight boxing ruled the roost.

Come on Vitali,
For the sake of boxing,
Give Haye a chance.
So he can be beaten back into the shadows,
And just maybe we might,
Never hear of his kind again.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:07 am

Strong back, why
did you eat that pie
no reason no rhyme
gloating all the time
no explanations save
that he left you for dave.

or

Poor Haye couldnt emulate
any past great
surrendered to wlad
strongback was glad
and has now an enmity with dave

by Champagne_Socialist Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:21 am

John Bloody Wayne wrote:
victorgarco wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:
Gordy wrote:
Lance wrote:adamek was more of a defining fight for vitali than haye would be. adamek has a better record at heavy and at cruiser if that is supposed to count. adamek was also better supported by his home nation, so much so that vitali was able to go to poland and cash in on adameks fanbase, meaning he could fight again in germany as soon as he wanted without fear of over selling himself there. the only people that think haye is a massive fight for vitali live in england, read nuts magazine and watch sky sports news as their favourite past time.

Spot on. Haye is a fraud.

More succesful, intelligent, better looking, bigger bank account than you though, eh?

And will probably die younger or get mental health problems a lot younger too though, eh

From all the clean punches he takes?

You have to remember all the punches he takes in sparring. It is sparring that does the damage rather than actual fights.

by Strongback Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:23 am

ShahenshahG wrote:Strong back, why
did you eat that pie
no reason no rhyme
gloating all the time
no explanations save
that he left you for dave.

or

Poor Haye couldnt emulate
any past great
surrendered to wlad
strongback was glad
and has now an enmity with dave

High end poetry, the good stuff like, it doesn't rhyme.

Truss used to argue with me about Haye just as much as Dave. At least Dave has the courage of his convictions.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:26 am

True but truss does it to annoy people when hes sulking about being served salad rather than prime american beef

by azania Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:27 am

milkyboy wrote:Although he was losing the fight, Holmes was competitive and showed how to beat Tyson... Gave buster the blue print.

Not impossible to me that wlad could beat Tyson, but he'd have to negotiate a very tricky 5 rounds to do so. As tyson threw combo's not one off lunges like haye, im unconvinced that wlad could consistently avoid punches 2 and 3.

Sorry but Wlad is perfect for Tyson. Holmes and Buster used exceptional movement and gave Tyson angles. Wlad for all his brilliant footwork is good and range but doesn't have the same type of footwork to keep a rampaging Tyson off him. Tyson in 2 without much fuss.

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