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Post by MtotheC Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 8:02

The final 64 entrants into the v2 GOAT awards has been debated heavily amoung the forum since the first group two weeks ago, the mod and admin teams didnt claim to get the list perfect but that they had done their best to ensure that a variety of spors, era's and genders were represented.

Now for some people there are some glaring omissions and with the wild card option we intended to correct at least one of those omissions.

Please nominate a sports man or woman you believe should be considered for round 2, the nomination period will close at 12 noon with the wild card group of the top four nomination competing shortly after. However only the group winner will progress into Round 2 as the wild card.

Nomination below please.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 8:27


Two glaring ommissions:

1. Kelly Slater, 11 time World Champion.

2. Birgit Fischer, 27 World championship titles, 8 Gold medals from 6 different olympics.

These two have in my opinion a lot more credit than some of the somewhat mediocre nominations in the first 64.


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Post by Diggers Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 8:54

Mark Spitz
Jansher Khan
Ben Ainslie
Mark Todd
Dougie Lampkin

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Post by Duty281 Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 8:59

Lennox Lewis (Possibly the greatest HW of all time)
Ben Ainslie (Probably the greatest sailor of all-time)
Jonny Wilkinson (Possibly the greatest Fly-Half of all time)
Bobby Moore (Possibly the greatest Centre-Back and leader of all time)
Fred Trueman (Possibly the greatest fast-bowler of all time)
Gordon Banks (Probably the greatest keeper of all time)

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Post by Stella Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:06

Jahnigir Khan - Squash
Effren Reyes - Pool
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Post by Stella Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:07

Duty281 wrote:Lennox Lewis (Possibly the greatest HW of all time)
Ben Ainslie (Probably the greatest sailor of all-time)
Jonny Wilkinson (Possibly the greatest Fly-Half of all time)
Bobby Moore (Possibly the greatest Centre-Back and leader of all time)
Fred Trueman (Possibly the greatest fast-bowler of all time)
Gordon Banks (Probably the greatest keeper of all time)

Duty - possibly the greatest patriot of all time Very Happy
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:07

Ingemar Stenmark

Winner of 86 world cup slalom and giant slalom races.
Winner of 19 World Cup titles (8 slalom, 8 Giant Slalom, 3 overall)
Winner of 2 Olympic gold and 3 World Championship Gold medals

Paavo Nurmi

Winner of 9 gold and 3 silver Olympic medals
Set 22 official World Records in distances between 1500m and 20km
Undefeated at distances from 800m up for 121 races at his peak
Never beaten in cross country or 10000m races

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Post by superflyweight Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:10

Maybe some winter sports stars required:

Shaun White
Franz Klammer/Herman Maier
Alberto Tomba/Jean-Claude Kily

I'm no winter sports enthusiasts so may have missed someone.

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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:11


Russell coutts the greatest yachtsman ever...

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Post by Shelsey93 Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:44

Esther Vergeer - Unbeaten in 470 matches!

Mark Spitz - 9 Olympic golds

Sir Ben Ainslie - Greatest sailor of all time

Tanni Grey-Thompson - Greatest wheelchair racer of all time

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Post by Guest Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:45

Jan Zelezny.

The fact they had to change the javelin because of his monsterous throws is astounding.




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Post by VTR Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:50

Ravi Bopara

Ok not really. Spitz, Khan (not Amir, one of the squash players) and Ainslie I will second.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 9:58

W.G. Grace
Virtually invented modern batting
Without him cricket would not be the sport it is today
As far ahead of his contemporaries as virtually any other cricketer before or since
Still one of the most recognisable figures in British sport

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Post by paperbag_puncher Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:02

Aleksandr Karelin - Universally considered the greatest wrestler of all time.

- 3 time Olympic gold medalist
- 9 time world champion
-12 time European champion
-Was undefeated in international competition from 1987-2000

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:02

Campese, Gary player

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:06

ronaldo(brazilian)- most wc goals.

player- has beaten his age the last 100 times he has played golf.. an immense talent through dedication and the first true fitness freak in golf- that would practise and practise and practise~(also gave me a lecture about giving up smoking at wenty!!)


campese- surely a candidate for goat of rugby union- nuff said.,. silky- exiting


Ian poulter-- greatest ever match player and team golfer- what he can do when he needs to in these formats is beyond plausible...!!! proof that one man can do anything when he sets his mind to it..

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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:06

superflyweight wrote:Maybe some winter sports stars required:

Shaun White
Franz Klammer/Herman Maier
Alberto Tomba/Jean-Claude Kily

I'm no winter sports enthusiasts so may have missed someone.

Horrible little ginger git. Competitively successful, destroyed the soul of the sport though, and leagues behind the influence of Terje Haakonsen, Craig Kelly, Jussi Oksanen, Ingermar Backman, Tom Burt, and a host of others.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:08

Lester Piggott

Multiple Champion Jockey
Rode his first winner at 14.
Won nine Derby's spread over four decades.
Rode classic race winners up until his 60's
Won all the major races across the globe.
Rode with a unique style and grace.

If Tony McCoy qualified then sorry there is a flaw because as jockeys go Piggott wins hands down for longevity and acheivements.
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Post by superflyweight Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:09

super_realist wrote:
superflyweight wrote:Maybe some winter sports stars required:

Shaun White
Franz Klammer/Herman Maier
Alberto Tomba/Jean-Claude Kily

I'm no winter sports enthusiasts so may have missed someone.

Horrible little ginger git. Competitively successful, destroyed the soul of the sport though, and leagues behind the influence of Terje Haakonsen, Craig Kelly, Jussi Oksanen, Ingermar Backman, Tom Burt, and a host of others.

As I said, I'm no winter sports enthusiast and was just putting names I'd heard out there. Happy to stand corrected by those who follow said sports.

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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:12

Kjetil Aamodt would be better than Klammer/Killy or Tomba too.

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:18

Terjie Hakinson should clearly be a nom- however its a judged sport SR Whistle

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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:18

RUSSELL WILSON
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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:19

MATT TUBBS
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Post by superflyweight Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:19

paperbag_puncher wrote:Aleksandr Karelin - Universally considered the greatest wrestler of all time.

Hulk Hogan would have something to say about that, surely?

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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:19

Neymar
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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:21

Richard Sherman
Marshawn Lynch
Steve Largent
Russell Okung
Max Unger
Earl Thomas
Brandon "Aderall" Browner
Bobby Wagner
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce Irvin

Shawn Jalal
Charlie Dnaiels
Miles Addison
Tommy Elphick
Marc Pugh
Harry Arter
Eunan O Kane
FLETCH!!!!!!!!!!
Lewis Grabban

and..................................

Grant Holt
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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:24

mystiroakey wrote: Terjie Hakinson should clearly be a nom- however its a judged sport SR Whistle

I know, I couldn't have him in. Saw him in Les Arcs one year. Different class.

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Post by GSC Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:28

The Rock

10 time world Champ
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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:33

Red Rum

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:34

I could watch him on telly all day long SR..

I wish we had more winter games coverage

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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:46

The real omissions for me are:

Jahangir Khan (rather than Jansher, whose record was great but not quite unbelievable, as Jahangir's was). Ridiculous unbeaten streak of more than 550 matches, record number of British Open titles - a monumental sportsman.

Mark Spitz (retired young, or would be up with Phelps statistically, in all probability).

Nadia Comaneci (The perfect gymnast, first ever to be awarded a 10, and the star of the 1976 Olympics).

Lester Piggott (Probably the greatest flat jockey in history, unparalleled particularly in the most important races).

Yasuhiro Yamashita (great Japanese judoka, undefeated in more than 200 bouts and Olympic champion - supreme in his sport - like fighting a fridge with a head on top, according to opponents).

Eric Heiden (greatest of all speed skaters - won all 5 distances, from sprint to 10000 metres, at the 1980 Winter Olympics, an achievement unlikely ever to be matched).

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Post by The Special Juan Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:49

Heskey *cough*

Seriously, I second Esther Vergeer.
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Post by cherriesfna Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:52

The Special Juan wrote:Heskey *cough*

Seriously, I second Esther Vergeer.

oh yes Emile

around 70 england caps,
world class in his prime
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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 10:54

Oh, I forgot to add Heather Mackay, Jahangir's female squash equivalent, but even more dominant. Unbeaten for 15 years from the early 60s to her retirement, still champion, in the late 70s. Her retirement was basically due to a lack of suitable challenges, which she remedied by taking up the sport of racketball and destroying all-comers in that as well. A true great.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:02

captain carrantuohil wrote:Oh, I forgot to add Heather Mackay, Jahangir's female squash equivalent, but even more dominant. Unbeaten for 15 years from the early 60s to her retirement, still champion, in the late 70s. Her retirement was basically due to a lack of suitable challenges, which she remedied by taking up the sport of racketball and destroying all-comers in that as well. A true great.

Hmmm, it'd be tough deciding between Mackay and Susan Devoy who was similarly dominant in the 80s-90s

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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:09

Come now, Pete, I know you're a New Zealander, but really. Similarly dominant? Less than nine years against 16? 7 British Opens against 16? defeats rare, but sprinkled around that time against Opie and Le Moignan, among others. Mackay simply NEVER lost after 1962, winning every British Open from 62-77 inclusive, usually for the loss of a handful of points, and retiring from the British Open in 77 with an undefeated streak running at nearly 20 years. She finished with squash finally in 1981, having lost two games, at the beginning of her career, EVER. She had also won the World Open of 79 before turning to racketball, which she similarly dominated. Just as an aside, Mackay also represented Australia at hockey.

Devoy was a great, but Mackay was the female equivalent of a colossus.

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Post by paperbag_puncher Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:12

superflyweight wrote:
paperbag_puncher wrote:Aleksandr Karelin - Universally considered the greatest wrestler of all time.

Hulk Hogan would have something to say about that, surely?

I knew there'd be one Superfly and you were one of the leading candidates...

Seriously though Karelin deserves a spot. His dominance, achievements and ability were remarkable.

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Post by super_realist Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:15

mystiroakey wrote:I could watch him on telly all day long SR..

I wish we had more winter games coverage

Screw winter games Oakey, that's whats killing it. It's all about the powder and back country.

Off to Austria on Saturday to get some.

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:16

Paper isnt that like saying we should put Rocky balboa in the 64!!


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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:17

super_realist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:I could watch him on telly all day long SR..

I wish we had more winter games coverage

Screw winter games Oakey, that's whats killing it. It's all about the powder and back country.

Off to Austria on Saturday to get some.


lucky!!

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Post by paperbag_puncher Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:22

mystiroakey wrote:Paper isnt that like saying we should put Rocky balboa in the 64!!


Ha in what way? Karelins a real person and we're not talking about wrestling as in WWE. He is the GOAT in his own sport which for me is a big thing when assessing a candidate. Is wrestling less of a sport than darts? Phil Taylor made it...

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Post by Spaghetti-Hans Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:31

LeBron James should have been an instant inclusion on this list.

King James is currently the greatest team sportsman in the world - 3 time NBA MVP at the age of only 28. His personal acheivements are so outstanding that the fact that he's also double Olympic Gold medalist is a mere afterthought.

Kurt Angle is an obvious choice - 12 time World Heavyweight Champion, only ever Triple Crown Champion in both the WWE and TNA, King of the Ring and King of the Mountain, one of only 4 men to do the Amateur Wrestling Grand Slam. A legend who won the Olympic Gold Medal with a broken frikkin neck.

Other notable absantees: Manning, Kahn, Spitz, Stenmark.

No more boxers or golfers please.


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Post by fenusvlytrap Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:41

mystiroakey wrote:Paper isnt that like saying we should put Rocky balboa in the 64!!


How is it like that? You're comparing a multiple Olympic Gold medalist to a fictional movie character.

I'm with Paper on this though. I think Karelin should absolutely be included. To be that dominant in a sport where it's so physical and such a widely practiced sport is an incredible achievement.

To be honest some of the people who have made it through so far have done so on popularity not merit. Even if the winner is crowned here there's no enough knowledge of sport by the people voting for there to be a definitive true G.O.A.T.

The fact he hasn't been mentioned let alone added to a poll shows the level we're dealing with here.

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Post by superflyweight Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:42

No more boxers or golfers please.

Unless they become inter-continental champion or form a tag team called "Hell Yeah".

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:42

fenusvlytrap wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Paper isnt that like saying we should put Rocky balboa in the 64!!


How is it like that? You're comparing a multiple Olympic Gold medalist to a fictional movie character.

I'm with Paper on this though. I think Karelin should absolutely be included. To be that dominant in a sport where it's so physical and such a widely practiced sport is an incredible achievement.

To be honest some of the people who have made it through so far have done so on popularity not merit. Even if the winner is crowned here there's no enough knowledge of sport by the people voting for there to be a definitive true G.O.A.T.

The fact he hasn't been mentioned let alone added to a poll shows the level we're dealing with here.

laughing

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Post by fenusvlytrap Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:43

Spaghetti-Hans wrote:LeBron James should have been an instant inclusion on this list.

King James is currently the greatest team sportsman in the world - 3 time NBA MVP at the age of only 28. His personal acheivements are so outstanding that the fact that he's also double Olympic Gold medalist is a mere afterthought.

Kurt Angle is an obvious choice - 12 time World Heavyweight Champion, only ever Triple Crown Champion in both the WWE and TNA, King of the Ring and King of the Mountain, one of only 4 men to do the Amateur Wrestling Grand Slam. A legend who won the Olympic Gold Medal with a broken frikkin neck.

Other notable absantees: Manning, Kahn, Spitz, Stenmark.

No more boxers or golfers please.


James isn't even the greatest basketball player of all time let alone the greatest sportsman.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:47

captain carrantuohil wrote:Come now, Pete, I know you're a New Zealander, but really. Similarly dominant? Less than nine years against 16? 7 British Opens against 16? defeats rare, but sprinkled around that time against Opie and Le Moignan, among others. Mackay simply NEVER lost after 1962, winning every British Open from 62-77 inclusive, usually for the loss of a handful of points, and retiring from the British Open in 77 with an undefeated streak running at nearly 20 years. She finished with squash finally in 1981, having lost two games, at the beginning of her career, EVER. She had also won the World Open of 79 before turning to racketball, which she similarly dominated. Just as an aside, Mackay also represented Australia at hockey.

Devoy was a great, but Mackay was the female equivalent of a colossus.

A point. Though Devoy retired aged just 28 (to start a family) and held the the Australian, British, French, Hong Kong, Irish, New Zealand, Scottish, Swedish and World open titles at retirement. She won 8 British opens from 8 attempts. The World Open was only held every 2nd year in the 80s/90s but in Devoy's 5 World Opens she lost one match (the 1989 final).

One suspects the field was stonger in the 80's as well.
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Post by fenusvlytrap Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:48

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Two glaring ommissions:

1. Kelly Slater, 11 time World Champion.

2. Birgit Fischer, 27 World championship titles, 8 Gold medals from 6 different olympics.

These two have in my opinion a lot more credit than some of the somewhat mediocre nominations in the first 64.


Yeah Fischer's achievements are pretty stand-out. She definitely deserves inclusion.

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:49

check out bridgets world champ golds!!!!!

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Post by captain carrantuohil Tue 29 Jan 2013 - 11:56

As I said, Pete, no doubt that Devoy was a great - there's just no comparing her dominance with that of Mackay, who was still beating, into her 40th year, some of the opponents that Sue would come up against at the start of her own career. This is one sport where the number 2 is leagues behind the number one.

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