The Scotland Post-Match Incredulity Thread - Daylight robbery

[TJ1]

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[GunsGerms]

A lot of people are saying that Scotland were completly dominant in the scrum. They werent really though. Ireland won a handfull of penalties and frees themselves at the scrum and won one scrum against the head. Scotland may have edged it alright but not by much.

Same with the lineout. Ireland were beaten here but still managed to win 13 of their own lineouts conceding four and winning one against the head. Not terrible.

[flyhalffactory]

Stats from the BBC site

SCRUMS

Scotland
Won 5
Lost (2)

Ireland
Won 5
Lost (2)

The stats don't tell the whole story though, as anyone who was there at the match clearly saw Scotland were overall dominant (not totally I admit) in the scrum, and lineout

[glamorganalun]

Ireland lost a few line outs with squint throws, in fact most their throws were not straight as in their previous matches. Both teams are doing well in the line out and both have solid scrums but Ireland miss Healy and it showed in the first half.

[flyhalffactory]

Ireland lost a few line outs with squint throws, in fact most their throws were not straight as in their previous matches. Both teams are doing well in the line out and both have solid scrums but Ireland miss Healy and it showed in the first half.

Afternoon Alun

Ireland lost 4 maybe 5 out of what 13, the reality was they almost lost 2 more if the ref had blown for blatently crooked throws, their second half throws strategy changed and it became much better, I think we may have lost one. Best was under immense pressure in all their lineouts, O'Callaghan, Ryan, Heaslip are class jumpers but were destroyed by Hamilton and Gray, hence the squint throws.

[RDW]

The 2 scrums we lost werewhen Ryan Grant was in the bin - hardly comparable.

And as been said - anyone who actually watched the match could hardly say we didn't have ascendancy in the set piece!

[GunsGerms]

The 2 scrums we lost werewhen Ryan Grant was in the bin - hardly comparable.

And as been said - anyone who actually watched the match could hardly say we didn't have ascendancy in the set piece!

I think Scotland edged it in the scrum without being completly dominant.

[RDW]

Well De Luca is well and truly ruled out of the 6 Nations - 13 week ban for a spear tackle!

[GLove39]

Well De Luca is well and truly ruled out of the 6 Nations - 13 week ban for a spear tackle!

Not to worry, I've given him the number for Healy's barrister, so he'll probably be playing against the Scarlets this Friday...

[aucklandlaurie]

A lot of people are saying that Scotland were completly dominant in the scrum. They werent really though. Ireland won a handfull of penalties and frees themselves at the scrum and won one scrum against the head. Scotland may have edged it alright but not by much.

Same with the lineout. Ireland were beaten here but still managed to win 13 of their own lineouts conceding four and winning one against the head. Not terrible.

Interesting comment, Just before the 10 minute mark Ireland had an attacking lineout throw in hard on the Scottish line, the ball goes in and not one Irish forward jumped for it, unforgiveable...If any New Zealand team had done that there would have been blood on the floor, of the changing room at half time.

[GunsGerms]

A lot of people are saying that Scotland were completly dominant in the scrum. They werent really though. Ireland won a handfull of penalties and frees themselves at the scrum and won one scrum against the head. Scotland may have edged it alright but not by much.

Same with the lineout. Ireland were beaten here but still managed to win 13 of their own lineouts conceding four and winning one against the head. Not terrible.

Interesting comment, Just before the 10 minute mark Ireland had an attacking lineout throw in hard on the Scottish line, the ball goes in and not one Irish forward jumped for it, unforgiveable...If any New Zealand team had done that there would have been blood on the floor, of the changing room at half time.

I completely agree. It was bizarre. It means they got the call wrong. Cant understand how they could do that in such a important match and at such an important time. Just like the famously disorganised Ireland of the amateur era in the early 90s. It was terrible.

They turned it around toward the end of the match.

[flyhalffactory]

A lot of people are saying that Scotland were completly dominant in the scrum. They werent really though. Ireland won a handfull of penalties and frees themselves at the scrum and won one scrum against the head. Scotland may have edged it alright but not by much.

Same with the lineout. Ireland were beaten here but still managed to win 13 of their own lineouts conceding four and winning one against the head. Not terrible.

Interesting comment, Just before the 10 minute mark Ireland had an attacking lineout throw in hard on the Scottish line, the ball goes in and not one Irish forward jumped for it, unforgiveable...If any New Zealand team had done that there would have been blood on the floor, of the changing room at half time.

I completely agree. It was bizarre. It means they got the call wrong. Cant understand how they could do that in such a important match and at such an important time. Just like the famously disorganised Ireland of the amateur era in the early 90s. It was terrible.

They turned it around toward the end of the match.

GunsGerms

Did you actually watch the whole game?, we have agreed that we weren't 100% dominant in statistically terms but in rugby terms we were dominant

Lineout
Ireland should have lost two others that were so crooked it was untrue (so in effect it should have been lost 6 out of 13, at one stage in the first half they lost more than they won, they pulled it back in the last 25 mins but for that it could have been alot worse

Scrum
Ireland won two scrums when Grant was off for 10 mins otherwise they wouldnt have nicked anything, we won 40% of the Irish scrum and there was an argument for another midway in the first half

So we didnt "edge" the scrum or line out, we were dominant (not totally 100% dominant) but in rugby terms we were

[GunsGerms]

A lot of people are saying that Scotland were completly dominant in the scrum. They werent really though. Ireland won a handfull of penalties and frees themselves at the scrum and won one scrum against the head. Scotland may have edged it alright but not by much.

Same with the lineout. Ireland were beaten here but still managed to win 13 of their own lineouts conceding four and winning one against the head. Not terrible.

Interesting comment, Just before the 10 minute mark Ireland had an attacking lineout throw in hard on the Scottish line, the ball goes in and not one Irish forward jumped for it, unforgiveable...If any New Zealand team had done that there would have been blood on the floor, of the changing room at half time.

I completely agree. It was bizarre. It means they got the call wrong. Cant understand how they could do that in such a important match and at such an important time. Just like the famously disorganised Ireland of the amateur era in the early 90s. It was terrible.

They turned it around toward the end of the match.

GunsGerms

Did you actually watch the whole game?, we have agreed that we weren't 100% dominant in statistically terms but in rugby terms we were dominant

Lineout
Ireland should have lost two others that were so crooked it was untrue (so in effect it should have been lost 6 out of 13, at one stage in the first half they lost more than they won, they pulled it back in the last 25 mins but for that it could have been alot worse

Scrum
Ireland won two scrums when Grant was off for 10 mins otherwise they wouldnt have nicked anything, we won 40% of the Irish scrum and there was an argument for another midway in the first half

So we didnt "edge" the scrum or line out, we were dominant (not totally 100% dominant) but in rugby terms we were

No I only watched the first 2 minutes then I thought I'd just flick over and see if Jeremy Kyle was on. What did I miss?

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