Ongoing NFL discussion thread part 2

by GSC Thu 7 Mar 2013 - 17:02

First topic message reminder :

Since threads seem to go to 1000 posts

Free Agency:
Mike Wallace, Daniel Ellerbe to Miami
Martellus Bennett to Chicago
Paul Kruger to Cleveland
Greg Toler + 3 head to Colts
Andy Levitre to Tennessee

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 20:52

Ball is in niners court with Woodson. He isn't the first choice but it is the team he wants to join. Same with Abraham too apparently. Delmas and Asomugha is what I want. Throwing in Woodson or Abraham would just be a bonus although I'm not Abraham's biggest fan

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 20:54

I'm not sure I like what Eagles are doing, not going to succeed using FA for everything, I think they will still struggle next year tbh with such a big personnel turnover. Draft will have big say

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 20:55

They're building depth. I agree they won't build Rome in a day, but you can't start 10 new rookies either. Have the vets versed in the 3-4, then draft their replacements to develop hopefully.

I'm sure they don't view Sopoaga or Barwin as long term starters

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 20:57

Also gives you the freedom to go BPA at 4.

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 20:59

Louis Delmas and Richard Sherman are twins!

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:31

Manningham agrees to half his base salary thus opening up almost 2m more. So now Delmas and Asomugha, plus the ST guy from the Bengals and all draft picks affordable

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:37

Better have a solid backup plan with Aso. That's all I'll say.

Also a parking lot.

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:42

Wait and see, Eagles ruin players, 49ers improve them, will be pro bowler next year if he signs. Plus I think we'll draft a corner in first three rounds and very deep position this year. T Brown is brilliant, Culliver had very good regular season, shocking playoffs. Rogers above average

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:43

Thats a bit of a cocky statement that probably gets reversed 3 years ago.

Lets not turn into Cherries with spellcheck here.

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:46

Really wonder how much longer Trent Cole will be an Eagle

by Colan (niner) Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:48

Nah, I'm kidding but the 49ers do take vets who struggled a little and turn them into good players again. All about the coaching. Don't know what was up with Eagles last season but I think the guys they have released will show something was up. Asomugha and DRC in particular will have great seasons imo. Aso won't be pro bowler but will be more than serviceable, will be a different player in surroundings he likes in right system. He went to Eagles for money, he would be coming home if he signs for SF, mindset a factor too

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:51

Somehow they played worse with the DB coach in charge.

Would've liked to keep DRC, he flashed. More than happy to push Aso out the door

Ugh, gave Barwin 6m a year for 6 years. Has to be an out there somewhere

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 21:58

Barwin was shocking last season. Too much, IMO.

by BamBam Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:03

Dan Graziano ‏@espn_nfceast

This is the NFL. Eagles could announce an 800-year deal for Barwin and it would basically mean the same thing.

Sounds about right, I think he's a good player

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:07

Well the Eagles always leave themselves an out lol.

Well we overpaid, banking on a return to form. 2m per less than Kruger got though iirc and hes younger with more sacks Wink

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:19

Leon Washington to NE

8m guaranteed in Barwins deal.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:29

End of Woodhead in NE one would imagine. Gonna miss him, underrated player imo

Washington's is a 1 year deal.

by cherriesfna Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:31

GSC wrote:Thats a bit of a cocky statement that probably gets reversed 3 years ago.

Lets not turn into Cherries with spellcheck here.

ive been better lately

by cherriesfna Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:32

GSC wrote:Leon Washington to NE

8m guaranteed in Barwins deal.

good luck little leon,

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:33

I suppose it's okay with only $8m guaranteed.

by cherriesfna Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:34

Colan (niner) wrote:Louis Delmas and Richard Sherman are twins!

Spoiler:

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:39

I do find the differing opinions weird.

On here we're disliking the Barwin and Avril deals. On NFLUK they're loving them

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:40

OAKLAND RAIDERS ‏@RAIDERS
Tuck Rule? It’s been 11 years, 1 month and 23 days…but who’s counting? pic.twitter.com/63DqAPlWeb

haha quality

by BamBam Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:44

I don't think either is a bad deal tbh, both are at positions of need for their respective teams, both players are young with potential to grow, arguably in the top 2 or 3 free agents at those positions, and neither is a ridiculous contract

by cherriesfna Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:49

Olly wrote:I do find the differing opinions weird.

On here we're disliking the Barwin and Avril deals. On NFLUK they're loving them

im loving the avril d eal,he not the best but he fills a need and took less than he would have taken from other to join us, because surprise(no homerism at all here) surprise, we are contenders.

by BamBam Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 22:58

If Avril was that in demand he would have been signed up on day 1, not day 3

This is probably just about his pay level, any more and he would be overpaid

by **Derbyblue** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:00

GSC wrote:Well the Eagles always leave themselves an out lol.

Well we overpaid, banking on a return to form. 2m per less than Kruger got though iirc and hes younger with more sacks

But we weaken a division opponent and get someone who knows how to play in our defense, plus Banner is smarter with the contracts if we cut Kruger don't carry any dead money forwards to count against other caps.

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:01

Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP
At this rate, the Jets’ defense next season is going to be Antonio Cromartie and 10 of his children.

Laugh

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:02

Also, Roseman is Banners protege, but less dbaggy. We've guaranteed only 8m of a 36m deal.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:03

GSC wrote:Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP
At this rate, the Jets’ defense next season is going to be Antonio Cromartie and 10 of his children.

Best tweet of free agency so far

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:04

Avril and Barwin are in the same boat. Both are good players that took a step back last season. They aren't being signed on 2012 but rather what can happen in 2014.

by **Derbyblue** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:09

GSC wrote:Also, Roseman is Banners protege, but less dbaggy. We've guaranteed only 8m of a 36m deal.

Whatever, I felt you were asking for a response so wrote something! I'm happy with what we've done so far in free agency, don't really see the need for signing the TE Barnidge (that's likely wrong) we could have just kept Alex Smith for the blocking role but Chud probably wanted his own people, issue is the CB's seem to be disappearing off the market.

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:13

Few points I find interesting on the Eagles signings (likely nobody else does)

-6/8 came from teams that made the postseason (Fletcher didn't on the Rams, Phillips on the Giants)
-Nobody except Barwin got more than 3 years, and even then theres just 8m tied to him.
-Cary Williams missed 3 tackles last year. Fletcher has missed 3 in his career. Combined its still higher than the amount of attempts Nnamdi and DRC made last year.
-They all appear to fit the mold of gritty, hard working players

by GSC Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:16

Derbyblue wrote:
GSC wrote:Also, Roseman is Banners protege, but less dbaggy. We've guaranteed only 8m of a 36m deal.
Whatever, I felt you were asking for a response so wrote something! I'm happy with what we've done so far in free agency, don't really see the need for signing the TE Barnidge (that's likely wrong) we could have just kept Alex Smith for the blocking role but Chud probably wanted his own people, issue is the CB's seem to be disappearing off the market.

Fair enough, just found the comparison interesting. Kruger coming off a good year, Barwin a bad one.

Still plenty of depth at CB. Talib, Winfield, Grimes around.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:34

Michael Bennett to Seattle on a 1 year deal, 5m

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:36

That's a great signing for Seattle. Why only 1 year though?

by **Derbyblue** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:40

NYJ wrote:That's a great signing for Seattle. Why only 1 year though?

Maybe he didn't feel he was getting the offers he deserves so is taking a prove it contract to hit FA next year and make more? Expect Tampa fans will be upset that they couldn't retain him if that's the deal he has accepted.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:42

He's a bit banged up ain't he? Again a low market for DE's, Abraham is gonna be round for pennies

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:43

Derbyblue wrote:
NYJ wrote:That's a great signing for Seattle. Why only 1 year though?
Maybe he didn't feel he was getting the offers he deserves so is taking a prove it contract to hit FA next year and make more? Expect Tampa fans will be upset that they couldn't retain him if that's the deal he has accepted.

Sounds about right.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:46

Derbyblue wrote:
NYJ wrote:That's a great signing for Seattle. Why only 1 year though?
Maybe he didn't feel he was getting the offers he deserves so is taking a prove it contract to hit FA next year and make more? Expect Tampa fans will be upset that they couldn't retain him if that's the deal he has accepted.

Gur Samuel ‏@FredTheGur
Frak RIGHT OFF RIGHT NOW. MICHAEL BENNETT SIGNED A ONE-YEAR 5 MILLION CONTRACT. HOW THE Frak Frak Frak DID WE NOT MATCH THAT. FFS

And there we go Derby haha

by **Derbyblue** Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:49

GSC wrote:
Derbyblue wrote:
GSC wrote:Also, Roseman is Banners protege, but less dbaggy. We've guaranteed only 8m of a 36m deal.
Whatever, I felt you were asking for a response so wrote something! I'm happy with what we've done so far in free agency, don't really see the need for signing the TE Barnidge (that's likely wrong) we could have just kept Alex Smith for the blocking role but Chud probably wanted his own people, issue is the CB's seem to be disappearing off the market.

Fair enough, just found the comparison interesting. Kruger coming off a good year, Barwin a bad one.

Still plenty of depth at CB. Talib, Winfield, Grimes around.

Yeah expect Kruger really earnt most of that money with his post season performances.

Barwin deal looks good for Eagles: @RapSheet
More on Connor Barwin's deal: He gets $8 million guaranteed over 2 years. In the first 3 years, he gets $13.5 million. And $36M over 6 years

by NYJ Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 23:52

So they can cut him after year 2 with no dead money. I like.

by Colan (niner) Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 0:07

I'm guessing Clemons is gone then. Shows you the team doesn't see Irvin as ready to start then, a situational pass rusher. I like Bennett more than Avril but as a 49er fan I wouldn't say they are elite guys. Not going to lose sleep over them, would have been more worried if they kept Branch and the big interior. They look even more exposed to the run game on paper

by Number-25 Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 0:18

GSC wrote:Thats a bit of a cocky statement that probably gets reversed 3 years ago.

Lets not turn into Cherries with spellcheck here.

".... Cherries on spellcheck...."

Probably my favourite quote on here ever! Nice work GSC.

Tell you what though, the NFC West fans have really become a bit cocky have they not?? Well, Cherries always has been but we've got used to that and put up with it but what's with these 9ers fans???

I'm going to show a bit of solidarity with my fellow NFC East fan here... I like what the Eagles are doing. They've signed some low risk/high reward guys and I really like the Kenny Phillips move. I was gutted to see it though cos he was a guy I was hoping the Redskins might manage to grab.

by BamBam Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 0:36

Freeney and Umenyiora almost make too much sense for Atlanta now, haven't really heard any teams chasing either

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 1:43

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Former #Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson is set to visit with the Patriots, according to a source. Interesting...

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 2:20

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
In addition to Adrian Wilson, Patriots will host ex-Falcons DE John Abraham on a visit tomorrow.

by GSC Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 10:26

A few more thoughts

I like the Greg Toler deal. He's a good #2 and underrated CB.
That said, Erik Walden. What on earth was that.

No idea what the chargers are doing. King Dunlap was one of the worst OL I've ever seen and they make him a priority.

I like the pickup of Harvin. It's a move a team a few pieces away can make. That said Avril and Bennett are very meh. Clemons needs to get healthy.

Lets hope the Miami dream team is more heat than Eagles. Gives them a spark at least.

Paging Geno Smith to Buffalo. The Bills are coming up for him.

The Jets would be wise to sign Kolb. Dude can play with protection.

by cherriesfna Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 10:28

I like the pickup of Harvin. It's a move a team a few pieces away can make. That said Avril and Bennett are very meh. Clemons needs to get healthy.

a lot of meh can become quite scary if used in the right way, expecialy in seattles unorthadox defense

by GSC Fri 15 Mar 2013 - 10:29

The wide 9 is pretty similar to where Clemons lines up. Avril is a meh player.

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