Burns v Gonzalez

I don't know too much about Gonzalez, but think Burns should be good for a pts victory in this one. What do you guys think?

I'm always a little wary when a Mexican or Puerto Rican with a puch, but apparently not much pedigree against top-class opposition, comes to these shores. Gonzalez can biff a bit, it's clear, and his record reminds me a bit of someone like the Mexican Goyo Vargas, who was meant to be a warm-up for Paul Hodkinson before Hoko took on Kevin Kelley and zoomed into the stratosphere. Vargas handed him a beating from which Hoko's career never really recovered.

I remember another Puerto Rican named Rafael del Valle with a bit of pop in his fists but no record to speak of, who came over here and demolished Duke McKenzie inside one round.

My point is - beware of this one. While I agree that Burns is a worthy favourite and the percentage call to take a decision, I have a slightly eerie feeling about this fight. I can't shake the idea that Ricky, who I think needs to fight more regularly than every nine months, might get caught cold. Hope I'm wrong.

Always a risk with the unknown quantity types and your analysis, as always, is sound. With that said, Burns is usually tight defensively speaking, so hopefully he weathers any early pressure and works his way to a victory. Once every nine months isn't enough boxing, especially if you aren't in with the very best (I appreciate he has fought good opponents)

Think that Burns will try to replicate the Moses performance. Keep it long using his footwork and catch his shots on his guard, them when he comes forward to throw clinch, try to push him back and rough him up frustrating him

Burns isn't the hardest to hit flush so Gonzales won't just be able to throw wide telegraphed shots as that won't bother burns

I've never seen him box but he looks quite similar size to Burns, maybe a little smaller, but I think burns should try to be very cagey from the off. Has this guy been the full 12, as Burns has a good engine and a solid chin

The thing with these guys who've got great looking records but haven't fought anyone with a pulse, is that 3 times out of four they're rubbish. It's that occasional one that's a bit tasty but has slipped under the radar that's the worry.

Gonzales was very late to boxing anyone know why? There's a few youtube clips of him..and Looking at him, I'm not thinking it was a long successful amateur career. Looks like a bit of a Prescott meets mcclellan, wide open and a bit crude but fast right handed banger. Certainly not someone to take liberties with.

Ginzo via lko

Chelo 'Gonzalez' is a massive puncher and Billy Nelson (Burns' trainer) says he fancies Burns to stop Gonzalez so it should be an exciting fight, I think decision will be more likely. Gonzalez hasn't really faced a fighter who could seriously stand up to him up until now, so it is very hard to tell what his weaknesses might be. He comes straight forward without a lot of head movement. He's right there to be hit, and a sturdy opponent who can hit and move and turn him at an angle might give him a lot of problems. He may have more wrinkles to his game than he's shown so far. This is his first time fighting away from his native Island, in front of a partisan crowd, is a heck of a time to have to find them.

After this 'if Burns wins' Burns and Vasquez (although I would like to see it) could be a bit of a technical snooze-fest so the Abril fight could be the best bet for an exciting unification.

Good luck to Burns tonight, beat this lad, then sort out the loud-mouth Yank Broner.

Do you think Broner can drop down to lightweight?

Yes.

I like Burns, but twice he has avoided a Broner fight. The last time he said he wouldn't fight for less than a million, basically pricing himself out. Broner was always a fighter heading on his way to a career welterweight. He would have happily fought Burns at lightweight, it would have suited his progression through the weights.
There is no chance of him moving back to lightweight after the paulie fight. Broner at welter. All the fights are at LWW or Welter, there is nothing of interest at lightweight. Burns missed his chance. The only interesting fight left for Burns is Vasquez or Abril, domestically Rees. But Broner is gone.

Who has ever went from welter back to lightweight? Homicide Hank? Can't see broner shrinking.

It's good to see Burns back in the ring again. I don't know anything about his opponent but the good thing with Burns is that he seems to make noticeable improvements with each fight. I think if he can get fighting more regularly people will start to give him more appreciation. There is a lot to be admired about Ricky.

Gonzalez can bang and as we know Burns does not have the greatest chin.

Gonzalez 7th round ko.

I'm just glad to see the Rickster back. He was rotting away like a smelly nappy in the sun under Warren Promotions. Don't care what anyone says, Frank was going to give us Burns vs Harrison if Hearn hadn't of weighed in. Thank the lord!! Although Clevery vs Enzo Mac will happen imo if spaggeti legs beats McKenzie....sighhhhhh

Duty281 wrote:Yes.

Maybe if he goes on a starvation diet.

Tbh I'm just glad to hear Flower of Scotland being sang again in Boxing. Decent lil national anthem.

Sick of that God Save the Rich Scrounger song!!

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Tbh I'm just glad to hear Flower of Scotland being sang again in Boxing. Decent lil national anthem.

Sick of that God Save the Rich Scrounger song!!

Always sounds like a terrific atmosphere up in Glasgow. Real football like atmosphere.

You said it mate. I'd love to be in the crowd. The night he won the belt against Martinez looked mental

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:You said it mate. I'd love to be in the crowd. The night he won the belt against Martinez looked mental

Yeah that sounded a bit special. Everytime he went forward the crowd went nuts. You Irish lot certainly know how to make noise too. Can't remember where it was but when Lindsay beat Appleby it was brilliant.

I was there mate. Ulster hall. Haye was promoting it. Got the ahhhhh. Pleasure of meetin him. Nah he was pretty decent.

Frampton vs Martinez was special too.

This guy fighting now is just fat, not unconditioned. How can you turn up for a fight I that shape...

Very impressive from Steve Simmons.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:You said it mate. I'd love to be in the crowd. The night he won the belt against Martinez looked mental

I was at it mate. Used to live about 5 mins walk from the Kelvin Hall so went round with my flatmate. Was a fantastic night. Prob the best I've been to, though I'm yet to sample a Frampton fight live.

It's a loud bit poisonous atmosphere at framptom fights apparently as he comes from a very loyalist area in ni.

Nasty cut there from the head clash.

Ent wrote:It's a loud bit poisonous atmosphere at framptom fights apparently as he comes from a very loyalist area in ni.

It's very seldom you will find a boxer from NI who isn't from a Loyalist or Republican area. That being said, all the community have got behind him. You will still get your occasional bigot, but he has developed a massive following back home. My brother was at the Martinez fight, thoroughly enjoyed it and had no hassle whatsoever.

He's from Tigers Bay, which is a loyalist hole, and best mates with Paddy Barnes who is from Ardoyne...prob the biggest Republican hole.

Belfast is one big hole so it kinda evens itself out

Apparantly John Simpson was trained by his uncle Homer who used to fight. Got beat by Drederik Tatum though. Although Simpson was shot and Tatum is an ATG

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:He's from Tigers Bay, which is a loyalist hole, and best mates with Paddy Barnes who is from Ardoyne...prob the biggest Republican hole.

Belfast is one big hole so it kinda evens itself out

Paddy Barnes is from the Cliftonville Road. Massive difference!

This should be a decent fight.

I stand corrected. I played cards with him and have only ever seen him in Ardoyne. (Which is right next to Cliftonville road. I thought he was from there

I used to live in the oldpark area which is at the top of cliftonville. Cliftonville is a hole too lol

Ha mate was only joking. But agree that Belfast is a hole in general. Hence why I live in Birmingham these days.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I used to live in the oldpark area which is at the top of cliftonville. Cliftonville is a hole too lol

Ever go to the Park Inn? Delightful establishment.

Haha, I believed you because I wouldn't have sat next to him and started asking..."So do you live nearby?" He would have flattened me for comin onto him ha

6oldenbhoy wrote:

Ent wrote:It's a loud bit poisonous atmosphere at framptom fights apparently as he comes from a very loyalist area in ni.

It's very seldom you will find a boxer from NI who isn't from a Loyalist or Republican area. That being said, all the community have got behind him. You will still get your occasional bigot, but he has developed a massive following back home. My brother was at the Martinez fight, thoroughly enjoyed it and had no hassle whatsoever.

Yes but he is from Tiger's bay, not just a loyalist area...

They were chanting about Ulster and bathing themselves in fenian blood at his last fight allegedly.

Put it this way I wouldn't go to watch him fight.

Ent wrote:

6oldenbhoy wrote:

Ent wrote:It's a loud bit poisonous atmosphere at framptom fights apparently as he comes from a very loyalist area in ni.

It's very seldom you will find a boxer from NI who isn't from a Loyalist or Republican area. That being said, all the community have got behind him. You will still get your occasional bigot, but he has developed a massive following back home. My brother was at the Martinez fight, thoroughly enjoyed it and had no hassle whatsoever.

Yes but he is from Tiger's bay, not just a loyalist area...

They were chanting about Ulster and bathing themselves in fenian blood at his last fight allegedly.

Put it this way I wouldn't go to watch him fight.

But it is just a Loyalist area. It's no better or worse than any other Loyalist (or Republican) area in Belfast. You get bigots, but also decent people. Carl Frampton being one of them.

I watched the fight live and didn't hear any sectarian songs. As I say, my brother was at the fight and received no hassle nor did he mention any sectarian singing. There may have been a minority, but that's exactly what they are, a minority. I would have no qualms going to a Frampton fight. Tyson Fury came out to Boys Of The Old Brigade at his most recent fight. Would you have issues going to one of his fights (apart from paying to watch the appalling boxing)?

Quality mullet.......works well with the red tights.

I was at Framptons fights, as any fighter, you will always get nobheads full of liquer thinkin they are hardnuts but I never heard anything worse than I normally hear at any other fight.

Lindsay was also fighting on that card and he's from the Falls Road which needs no explanation for anyone that knows anything about N.I and it was pretty tame considering both sides were in the same room.

Furys fights attract worse supporters. I would never watch him live again. Went to the Firtha fight (think it was him) in the Kings Hall. Dear god it was as bad as you can imagine

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:I was at Framptons fights, as any fighter, you will always get nobheads full of liquer thinkin they are hardnuts but I never heard anything worse than I normally hear at any other fight.

Lindsay was also fighting on that card and he's from the Falls Road which needs no explanation for anyone that knows anything about N.I and it was pretty tame considering both sides were in the same room.

Furys fights attract worse supporters. I would never watch him live again. Went to the Firtha fight (think it was him) in the Kings Hall. Dear god it was as bad as you can imagine

i can imagine the stupid people going there.

Why oh why do the WBC insist on giving the belt out before the winner is announced? Choi has been hard done by there for me though.

hampo171 wrote:Why oh why do the WBC insist on giving the belt out before the winner is announced? Choi has been hard done by there for me though.

Couldn't agree more. I thought I was watching a stream on my tv with a 10 second delay!! Was gonna phone sky and give off. Scores were far too wide

Jim Watt seemed to ignore everything Choi did after round 4. Made out as if Simpson was putting on a clinic, can sky really not find someone else to commentate?

Jim Watt sees what he wants to see. Nice guy in person, but I might stick the Burns fight on mute.

hampo171 wrote:Jim Watt seemed to ignore everything Choi did after round 4. Made out as if Simpson was putting on a clinic, can sky really not find someone else to commentate?

He had Simpson 2 rounds up which was closer than all of the judges.

I take it you wanted Choi to win?

To be fair to Watt he scored it 7-5 for Simpson which means he was obviously impressed by Choi

I didn't mind who won, but I had Choi winning. Simpson didn't make a dent but every time he got tagged he looked hurt.

He may have been impressed but is it that hard to give a more balanced commentary? Not just this fight he's been doing it for years.

You're just a Choi nutthugger Hampo admit it

You got me, it's the mullet

Really!? I thought it was the Glenn McCrory fact of the week that 8% of Mongolia is the decendants of Gengas Khan.

I heard 14% of Scotland are dencendants of William Wallace as well