Fury on Haye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_shfA1vcvJk

He changes his tune constantly. Bored of this now.

Nice white socks/shoes combination.

I got the feeling Fury hopes Haye will decline the offer to fight in order to duck him like he ducked Price.

And pulev

Boxtthis wrote:Nice white socks/shoes combination.

they're brown shoes and he's wearing a white top. it's a winner.

i heard this agreeing to 50/50 ages ago.

for the love of god why can't haye's fights just be signed quickly. if they can make mayweather/alvarez in no time at all they can make this.

I actually think this is definitely on - and this is just part of the build up.  Expect a few tables to go over at the first press conference as well.  The build up to this will be pure theatre.

BlakkMamba wrote:I actually think this is definitely on - and this is just part of the build up.  Expect a few tables to go over at the first press conference as well.  The build up to this will be pure theatre.

Not exactly great build up is it two guys refusing to fight cos they want more money.

The fight is most likely a done deal. Just trying to raise interest with the casuals, typical PR stunt from Haye.

It takes time to turn fights that are duds on paper into £10 million spectaculars, Booth/ Haye are masters at it though. Another sucker punch to the fans\casuals written all over this.

Fancy Strongy taking Fury's side..

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

BlakkMamba wrote:I actually think this is definitely on - and this is just part of the build up.  Expect a few tables to go over at the first press conference as well.  The build up to this will be pure theatre.

Not exactly great build up is it two guys refusing to fight cos they want more money.

Well, it sort of is because look what everyone is talking about...

Strongback wrote:The fight is most likely a done deal. Just trying to raise interest with the casuals, typical PR stunt from Haye.  

It takes time to turn fights that are duds on paper into £10 million spectaculars, Booth/ Haye are masters at it though. Another sucker punch to the fans\casuals written all over this.

I know we may not rate Fury (I don't anyway) but let's not forget he is probably a top 5 ranked heavyweight. Looking purely at rankings this is a high profile fight, not a couple of tomato cans fighting on the undercard of a small hall show, so if it doesn't generate interest, why are we even bothering with a heavyweight division anymore? Surely two top 5 heavyweights fighting in what will ultimately probably end up being a world title final eliminator should be making a good purse right?

To be honest, much as I admire their talent, the best thing for the division will be when the Klitschko's retire, as it has just stagnated into a series of predictable walkovers.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Fancy Strongy taking Fury's side..

Get some new material I'm bored.

Now you know how the rest of us feel..

Haye and Booth are greedy in their negotiations, this is no secret.. So makes sense to me.

The bottom line is this is a good fight for Fury. he will make lots of money and get loads of press from this fight. If he wins he will have the world at his feet and pressure will be on the Ks to give him a fight. If he looses then he looses his 0 to a well respected ex champ at an age where he could still make changes and improve, and could still get a chance to redeem him self and fight for a world title. So I cant see why he would be trying to dodge Haye.

However, Haye wants a world title shot again and to be a two time champ. So for him this fight is more of a risk. Should he win convincingly then yes it would bump him up the ratings and put more pressure on a VK fight or a WK rematch... But should he lose then it would pretty much end him...

So for me Its probably Haye stuttering... and looks like he has gone away to consider his options before signing. People take Fury to seriously when clearly half the time he is playing a pantomime and on a wind up..

If Fury boxes smart I give him a decent chance of winning this fight with the only question mark being if Haye lands a bomb how he will react... I don't think Haye has an Iron chin him self though and does tire quick if he is made to work.

Shouldn't Haye get more money ??

Am sure he should Truss but Haye is a pragmatist. He knows the only person who may generate anywhere near this amount for him is Vitali and that is a tough fight to get made and an even tougher one to win. Guess he looks at it from the perspective of if paying Tyson a few more quid more than he deserves to guarantee he earns more than he can anywhere else it is worth doing.

The fight makes sense for Haye.........He's priced himself out of Vitali.......and he doesn't fancy Wlad......

However if Haye did throw the dummy out over 50/50 I wouldn't blame him........

Fury is a nobody..........

Haye needs to look at it as he is making more money fighting Fury at 50/50 than he would getting 70/30 against most guys, also, and I can't stress this enough, Fury is an easy nights work. Does Haye deserve a bigger cut than 50/50? Yes. But if 50/50 is the only way to get Fury in the ring Haye should be signing it quicksmart.

You get what you're worth in this life...........Why give a sucker an even break.......

Haye's name transcends Boxing..........Fury nobody has heard of..........

Don't care If it's an easy night which considering he'll have been out for 15 months I don't believe.....Fury lands at 250.......It's good night.

Wladmir landed plenty of punches on Haye and he didn't knock him out, plus he's about 5 levels above Fury in terms of speed accuracy and power so a) I don't think he will land much, certainly not cleanly and b) if he does, I'm not sure he will catch Haye cleanly enough to hurt him. Size doesn't necessarily make a hitter, and Haye will have a huge power advantage.

50/50 is far more than Fury deserves, Haye is the name and he's the proven draw and money man, but at the end of the day Haye doesn't seem like he wants anyone other than vitali or Fury so he might be forced to accept the terms

Fury is going to lose so he's going to want as much money as possible and if he got a 30% cut and a loss then the chances are he won't accept

I hope Haye takes the winner-takes-all fight as Fury gets pancaked and doesn't make a penny, but I doubt Haye will take that

1. Haye will be out for 15 months............

2. Haye is going to be intimidated by Fury's size..........

Haye won't have a huge power advantage...because he has a dodgy chin..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:1. Haye will be out for 15 months............

2. Haye is going to be intimidated by Fury's size..........

Haye won't have a huge power advantage...because he has a dodgy chin..

Respectfully disagreed on this (rare) occasion

There is no way that Haye doesn't have a big power advantage over Tyson

Haye is always in great shape and spends a lot of time in the gym so I don't think inactivity will be a problem

The only way Fury can win is to keep the gloves high and just maul Haye and hopefully wear him down with his weight like he did to Cunnigham

Try to box Haye then he's getting stopped as he's to open to the overhand right over his jab. He's to slow and plainly not good enough to fight like Wlad did

I dont see anything other than a Haye KO win tbh, Fury won't be able to pin him down and as soon as he feels the power of Haye he won't want to know.

Haye wins by picking his attacks and overwhelming fury with flurry's of combo's while in between attacks keeping out of fury's leaning option by his speed and footwork.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Shouldn't Haye get more money ??

Maybe but with out the two of them you would not have such a big fight, who else can Haye fight who will bring him as much cash?, one of the Ks, maybe. but that is not going to happen yet. So for me when a fight between two people brings such acclaim then despite who has the bigger name, 50/50 is the fair deal.

Hayes faster, hits harder, probably better comditioned... Fury is a tiny Valuev (or is it mid-sized Valuev?), and thats being kind. I hope for the sake of humanity (its that big), Fury stays away from the 'Greatest Prize in sport'.

BlakkMamba wrote:Wladmir landed plenty of punches on Haye and he didn't knock him out,

No but he had him running and much more hesitant about trying to land a bomb. Haye has very quick head movement and defends him self very well.. I don't think WK really landed flush, Haye was slipping allot of them although tasted a good few of WKs Jabs.. Had Haye attacked more I think we would have either seen WK in alot more trouble or seen Haye get knocked out.

For me if Fury can work his jab well and keep Haye at bay for the first half of the fight he may drag Haye into a world or trouble in the latter rounds... I think Hayes power and speed (defensive speed as well) does come at a price and his fuel tank does run out, I also see this a little in Groves, I think its Booths work.

kingraf wrote:Hayes faster, hits harder, probably better comditioned... Fury is a tiny Valuev (or is it mid-sized Valuev?), and thats being kind. I hope for the sake of humanity (its that big), Fury stays away from the 'Greatest Prize in sport'.

I think Fury is a much better boxer than Valuev and is an exciting fighter.

Valuev had a better chin, for one.
Okay he ducked the brothers Klitschko's but Fury isnt exactly breaking their down, more screaming from acoss a crowded street, knowing full-well that they arent home. I dont think Fury has done anything to prove he is a better fighter than Valuev, nor does he have a better record, so I cant see how he could be clearly better.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:There is no way that Haye doesn't have a big power advantage over Tyson

How many times did he hit Audley clean before it was stopped? How many times did he hit an old Ruiz whos corner had to throw the towel in, He caught Chisora with a good few shots before the reff stopped it.. he also did catch WK with a right hook in the last round which did not bring him down.. So while he does have power its not like he has serious heavy weight power, its more down to his speed, so when he lands he can land another two or three as soon as your hurt..

Fury is also not the hardest punching heavyweight but I would say power wise they are about the same.. I think Fury hits harder than Chisora..

tunes666 wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:There is no way that Haye doesn't have a big power advantage over Tyson

How many times did he hit Audley clean before it was stopped?  How many times did he hit an old Ruiz whos corner had to throw the towel in, He caught Chisora with a good few shots before the reff stopped it.. he also did catch WK with a right hook in the last round which did not bring him down..  So while he does have power its not like he has serious heavy weight power, its more down to his speed, so when he lands he can land another two or three as soon as your hurt..

Fury is also not the hardest punching heavyweight but I would say power wise they are about the same.. I think Fury hits harder than Chisora..

Haye stopped Dereck Chisora for one, something which no one else had managed to do including Tyson Fury.

That was the second time John Ruiz had been stopped in over 50 fights, so actually that's pretty impressive, the only other man to manage it being David Tua who punches like a stick of dynamite. Also had him down five times or so and dominated him. Fury doesn't have Ruiz's recovery abilities or experience.

Haye will have too much in every department on this one, if you want to see how it goes watch Haye-Maccarinelli.  Haye slips the jab, right hand over the top.  Thank you, and goodnight.

tunes666 wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:There is no way that Haye doesn't have a big power advantage over Tyson

How many times did he hit Audley clean before it was stopped?  How many times did he hit an old Ruiz whos corner had to throw the towel in, He caught Chisora with a good few shots before the reff stopped it.. he also did catch WK with a right hook in the last round which did not bring him down..  So while he does have power its not like he has serious heavy weight power, its more down to his speed, so when he lands he can land another two or three as soon as your hurt..

Fury is also not the hardest punching heavyweight but I would say power wise they are about the same.. I think Fury hits harder than Chisora..

Did Tyson stop Chisora? Was Chisora not 15lbs extra out of shape vs Fury than the one who haye fought

Haye was the first man to stop Ruiz for 10+ years since a prime Tua beat him, that's far more impressive than stoppages than past it journeymen like Rogan and Maddalone

Haye knocked out plenty of cruiserweights the calibre of Cunnigham without the weight advantage Tyson had and would have finished it earlier than Tyson did had he and Steve met at heavy

There is no argument that Fury has the power Haye has

And he still couldnt drop Valuev. I know the HW division isnt what used to be (well, outside of the 90s & 70s, it probably is), but to put Fury above a Former world champ when he got decked by a Cruiserweight who didnt even hurt cruiserweights is wrong

Would love to see a winner take all fight, great!

Fury wouldn't..It's all BS..

Ill fight haye tomorrow ill sign the contract first thing Monday morning if haye is willing! He can have it all his own way! Lets get going


And


Wanted David haye! pic.twitter.com/IYeiC1cHjt


Both just posted by Tyson moments ago.

BlakkMamba wrote:

tunes666 wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:There is no way that Haye doesn't have a big power advantage over Tyson

How many times did he hit Audley clean before it was stopped?  How many times did he hit an old Ruiz whos corner had to throw the towel in, He caught Chisora with a good few shots before the reff stopped it.. he also did catch WK with a right hook in the last round which did not bring him down..  So while he does have power its not like he has serious heavy weight power, its more down to his speed, so when he lands he can land another two or three as soon as your hurt..

Fury is also not the hardest punching heavyweight but I would say power wise they are about the same.. I think Fury hits harder than Chisora..

Haye stopped Dereck Chisora for one, something which no one else had managed to do including Tyson Fury.

That was the second time John Ruiz had been stopped in over 50 fights, so actually that's pretty impressive, the only other man to manage it being David Tua who punches like a stick of dynamite.  Also had him down five times or so and dominated him.  Fury doesn't have Ruiz's recovery abilities or experience.

Haye will have too much in every department on this one, if you want to see how it goes watch Haye-Maccarinelli.  Haye slips the jab, right hand over the top.  Thank you, and goodnight.

Your right the Chisora stoppage was impressive, however it took a string of his hardest shots before the reff stopped it after he got to his feet twice... As for Ruiz, it was his last pension pay day clearly and after 9 rounds of Haye landing it was his corner that ended it.

im not saying Haye does not have power as a heavyweight, but its not as hard as some make out... I also think Fury has improved since the Chisora fight particularly with his conditioning... People forget he has been learning and improving being relatively young... especially for a heavyweight.

Another point is when Haye faces people his own height his power has been more effective, but when he faces bigger guys it is not as effective, he did land on WK who does not have an iron chin and WK recovered very quickly...

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:
Did Tyson stop Chisora? Was Chisora not 15lbs extra out of shape vs Fury than the one who haye fought

No But being extra weight does not make your chin weaker... Chisora was undefeated at that stage and Furys own conditioning was not the best back then..

Haye was the first man to stop Ruiz for 10+ years since a prime Tua beat him, that's far more impressive than stoppages than past it journeymen like Rogan and Maddalone

Both Johnston and Cunningham were stiffer contests than an old and shot Ruiz, who retired after the fight... And Cunningham of course did not get up for the first time.

Haye knocked out plenty of cruiserweights the calibre of Cunnigham without the weight advantage Tyson had and would have finished it earlier than Tyson did had he and Steve met at heavy

irrelevant, Fury does have the weight advantage and this assists his power. and we are talking heavyweight, dropping down in weight can also make your chin more week... and there is less power coming back the other way... this is why moving up a weight can effect this stuff.. if we wana include Cruiserweight then Cunningham was a two time champ and never sopped before.

There is no argument that Fury has the power Haye has

He is not as fast but I think his power is very much as powerful. The difference is that Haye will follow up much quicker... but with bigger guys this is not as easy to do. Hence why he did not throw as much against the bigger guys and why it took him three rounds to throw against Audley Harrison.

If fury uses his size and jab well then Hayes power will not be as effective.

Tunes is the eternal optimist.........

The blueprint is there from the Wlad fight...for Fury to follow........But a big thing to remember is....

Wlad is intelligent...Fury is dumb..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tunes is the eternal optimist.........

The blueprint is there from the Wlad fight...for Fury to follow........But a big thing to remember is....

Wlad is intelligent...Fury is dumb..

, Yeah Wald is a better boxer, but I think fury is a little smarter than people think.. and dont forget he is only just really turning into a man and will mature a little more physically as well..

Just to state Im not saying Fury will win, I would say its about a 55/45 fight in Hayes favor due to his experience. But I think fury has more of a chance than people think..

No worries Mate....Entitled to your opinion....I think Fury has the tools.......but not the brain..

Needs a good trainer behind him...Price is smarter and I expect him to excel..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No worries Mate....Entitled to your opinion....I think Fury has the tools.......but not the brain..

Needs a good trainer behind him...Price is smarter and I expect him to excel..

Im with you there, I think Price has more skill and power..

OasisBFC wrote:

Boxtthis wrote:Nice white socks/shoes combination.

they're brown shoes and he's wearing a white top. it's a winner.

I didn't realise Butlins had dress code.

Yes and so does the Oyster..........If you're thinking of coming down..

Well well, September 28th. It's on.

Let the verbals commence.  Should be fun.

Who will be the most outrageous?

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