The rugby fans' Ashes thread

by Portnoy's Complaint Thu 11 Jul 2013, 1:01 pm

First topic message reminder :

I meant to start this yesterday.

Scoreboard http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23261769

by The Great Aukster Sun 14 Jul 2013, 3:50 pm

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:I'd love to see team challenges in RU.

But for me Broad took the edge off that win as a sporting contest for me as a sports fan.

Haddin didn't walk either so he's just as culpable (or not depending on viewpoint), but England had been more judicious in their use of reviews which is exactly what they're there for.

by Portnoy's Complaint Sun 14 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:
Portnoy's Complaint wrote:I'd love to see team challenges in RU.

But for me Broad took the edge off that win as a sporting contest for me as a sports fan.

Haddin didn't walk either so he's just as culpable (or not depending on viewpoint), but England had been more judicious in their use of reviews which is exactly what they're there for.

Team challenges might have kept Cockers off the naughty step (if used judiciously).
Maybe Hartley too.

by ChequeredJersey Sun 14 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

Can't see how a rugby fan can possibly condemn Broad given what we see in every one of our games...

by Portnoy's Complaint Sun 14 Jul 2013, 5:49 pm

Team challenges CJ. Listen.
Think of that Wales Ireland 6Ns game a couple of years back...

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 12:56 pm

Like Mighty Ducks II - Rise of Plucky, the good guys fight back starts today! Oztralya to win so convincingly it'll be 2-all after this test.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

Not if the DRS official has anything to say about it!

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:01 pm

Is Dr.S a machine or a bloke? Sometimes it's talked about like a TMO and other times like a cash machine at 3am telling you you've had enough!

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:03 pm

On this evidence it is a drunk

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:08 pm

It sounds like a job I could do.

by lostinwales Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:09 pm

boomeranga wrote:Like Mighty Ducks II - Rise of Plucky, the good guys fight back starts today! Oztralya to win so convincingly it'll be 2-all after this test.

More convincingly than England won the last one? that would be some performance

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:18 pm

Exactly. It'll be brutal and I apologize in advance.

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:22 pm

This is a pretty even session it must be said..

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:24 pm

Oh my days is this the rugby forum ashes thread.. blimey.. I didnt realise..

You are so secular!

ANyway its nice to samsh the aussies!

by funnyExiledScot Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:39 pm

Looks like the 3rd umpire is actually Chris Pollock!

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:45 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Oh my days is this the rugby forum ashes thread.. blimey.. I didnt realise..

You are so secular!

ANyway its nice to samsh the aussies!

Not secular Msti, but rather just recognizing our limitations. I like to bask in the glow of awesomeness and rubbing it in wherever I can without actually being called to task on detailed knowledge of what happened. I know for instance that over the last 40 or so tests we are leading 20-9, but I don't know precisely where this particular series stands.

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:50 pm

We have won 3 out of the last 4(going to be 4 out of 5). Aus are rubbish. England are the best. What else do you need to know?

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:52 pm

Are England no.1 in the World?

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 1:55 pm

No. SA are. TBH they are the best - we are the closest to them though.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:01 pm

Wish we would play them sooner than 2016 though

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:02 pm

I just saw the Usman dismissal. I take it you got to second best based on a lot of home victories?

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:03 pm

Yeah me too!! its a joke that we arnt playing them sooner- we are playing Aus another 2 times before then and sa are playing aus twice as well.

Not sure who feicked the scheduling up!

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:04 pm

Mostly on beating India I think. Home and away

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:06 pm

Well we were first in the rankings- but then SA beat us and got to first,

we got to first by winning home and away.

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:19 pm

Is old trafford usually a big scoring wicket? How many would we need to get before you start to feel a little pressure?

by Portnoy's Complaint Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:23 pm

About 650, boomer Wink

Seriously I'll become bothered at about 350. The draw is effectively a win as li'l Ern will stay where it belongs.

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:27 pm

the ground is going to crack up day 4.. Aus are going pretty well. 400 is a good score..

by boomeranga Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:28 pm

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:About 650, boomer

Seriously I'll become bothered at about 350. The draw is effectively a win.

How many go's do we get?

Enjoy the play gentlemen. It's bed time here.

And congratulations on the new king

by Luckless Pedestrian Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:31 pm

Obviously it depends on their first-innings score, but this was a good toss for Australia to win: they get to bat first. We'll see how England fare batting second - and batting last, which they haven't had to do so far this series. It's always better to be bowling at a side when you already have runs on the board yourself.

by Portnoy's Complaint Thu 01 Aug 2013, 2:35 pm

boomeranga wrote:
Portnoy's Complaint wrote:About 650, boomer

Seriously I'll become bothered at about 350. The draw is effectively a win.

How many go's do we get?

Enjoy the play gentlemen. It's bed time here.

And congratulations on the new

Sorry boomer, but king

is a bit too mainstream for me.

I'd like the Oz to win this one to open the series but as I write Rogers Is out(84) 129/3.

by doctor_grey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:21 pm

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:
boomeranga wrote:
Portnoy's Complaint wrote:About 650, boomer

Seriously I'll become bothered at about 350. The draw is effectively a win.

How many go's do we get?

Enjoy the play gentlemen. It's bed time here.

And congratulations on the new

Sorry boomer, but is a bit too mainstream for me.

I'd like the Oz to win this one to open the series but as I write Rogers Is out(84) 129/3.

No, no, a thousand time no.
Just win. Especially whilst we don't recall we are England (and Wales).

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:33 pm

We'll be fine

by GloriousEmpire Thu 01 Aug 2013, 7:57 pm

Amazing how good Australia look when they're only being gyped once by DRS rather than 7 times in an in innings, isn't it?

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:00 pm

You havent seen the series or the game today have you. Overall aus have had the best of the decisions

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:01 pm

Well played Australia. This is however only one day and they not yet won this test

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:05 pm

Yes they played well. The game is set up.. It will be good to see how our batters react under pressure.

Watch out for Root to shine again

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:17 pm

This is where I need KP to justify being selected with an injury. And I think he will

by GloriousEmpire Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:32 pm

mystiroakey wrote:You havent seen the series or the game today have you. Overall aus have had the best of the decisions

What an absolute croc of shoite. The majority of DRS calls have been ludicrous. The ockers have had the raw end of the pineapple throughout the series. England had one dubious call and gone off like a bunch of tired two year olds.

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:36 pm

^^ never heard so much rubbish in my life. You have confirmed you havent seen a thing! at least read up on it first - check your facts.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:38 pm

I make it 2 very dubious calls today alongside at least another fairly dubious 1, maybe one more vs a single howler against the Aussies, but you are entitled to your own view on what is happening. Obviously you've also forgotten about Agar etc

by mystiroakey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:39 pm

trott?

by **Notch** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:44 pm

https://www.606v2.com/f13-cricket

by doctor_grey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:20 am

Mostly listened on radio over the internet today. Didn't sound like too many controversial decisions.

But I blame Portnoy for today's result. If he didn't mention he wanted Oz to win, we would probably have held them below 200. Bad karma he made.

by ChequeredJersey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:22 am

Clarke even said on interview that it was Portnoy's support that fired them up. They didn't want to let him down

by doctor_grey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:47 am

Knew it! Had to be.
Was probably why all of a sudden we saw Shane Warne's face all over the tv, looking even more smug than usual, if that's possible. Damn it, he knew he had an ace up his sleeve.

For friday, can we sacrifice a kangaroo and drink its blood or something? That will wipe that self-satisfied look off his face.

by GloriousEmpire Fri 02 Aug 2013, 6:52 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:I make it 2 very dubious calls today alongside at least another fairly dubious 1, maybe one more vs a single howler against the Aussies, but you are entitled to your own view on what is happening. Obviously you've also forgotten about Agar etc

The second test, The turning point was an absolutely ridicous "hot spot" DRS which I called out at the time. From there on in Australia were victim to an endless array of similar hotspot calls all of which the studio commentary team declared to be great decisions and "wonderful use" of DRS by England.

There seems to be a real lack of understanding of how inaccurate these technologies are. The assumption im seems to be for many, that if "snicko" shows a frequency response then the batsman *must* have hit it, if there is a pixel of light anywhere on a bat then hotspot has "proven" the ball hit the bat and that if the frankly ridiculous hawk-eye shows an animated ball hitting animated stumps then this is what would have happened in reality. I'm sorry but most of these technologies are totally over sold and used well beyond their reasonable parameters.

Aside from the operational restrictions which are largely ignored, the systems are inaccurate by design because cost cutting to make the product economically and operatioanlly viable requires computational intensity to be reduced such that the inaccuracies are well beyond what they are initially stated to be.

And it's worth remembering that these aren't passive systems, they are "operated" and the output is modified for presentation for broadcast TV purposes. Essentially what you are seeing is a glossy cobbled up fantasy based on interpreted evidence coming out of a mathematical model which known to be flawed in a variety of ways.

Believing in these things for anything other than the most straight forward and clear cut of cases is like believing in the Star Trek transporter or thinking the Matrix is real.

Thy were designed to eliminate the "howler" not to be making fringe judgements on edge cases. They are being totally misapplied and the media know it but the controversy makes better TV

by mystiroakey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 7:08 am

Snicko got that hot spot you are talking about and we heard the sound!

Yes i agree that hotspot is rubbish- But you still just sound like a sore loser. Just accept the fact that England were better and won the game and that both teams had bad decisions, we are not whining about ours- What ever you want to make up. YOU ARE THE ONE WHINING!.. Get over it dude! seriously.

PS:

I love the fact you talk about a turning point when england effectively won by an innings if not more!!!

laughing

You are going to have to do better than that mate..

by GloriousEmpire Fri 02 Aug 2013, 7:11 am

Snicko? The texhnology that is completely discredited to the extent of being banned from official use?

If you believe in snicko you probably also believe in the Tooth fairy?

by mystiroakey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 7:16 am

Lol- snicko is just to slow and is being put into use next Series when it has sped up!! So where you get your crazy ideas from I dont know!!

Just stop whinging lad.

anyway!!!!

So hot spot , snicko, noise, movement - and you still think he wasnt out. And you are asking me if i believe in the tooth fairy

laughing

by GloriousEmpire Fri 02 Aug 2013, 7:36 am

Snicko is a crock.

The microphone is at the batters end. Of course there are a variety of noises when the ball passes the batsmen and he attempts to make a shot. Now snicko applies a whole bunch of frequency filters which are manually calibrated and adjusted per delivery and recorded on a sound feed which is *manually* synchronised with the images by an operator using visual cues. It's akin to having a guy with a microphone making a "chik!" Sound when the ball passes the bat. It's an utter load of twaddle.

Aside from that - how do you think such things are "made faster"? Yep, they are made less accurate.

It's a load of old cobblers and if you believe it, you must also believe in the tooth fairy and Father Christmas.

by mystiroakey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 7:40 am

Made faster???

dude just read up on it please. If you dont understand what it means to make snicko get results faster then read up on it. They are trying to get it in to the next series (aus v eng!)

It is right that the umpires should have access to all technologies out there- but we and there are not stupid.. We understand the limitations of the said tech..

You on the other hand are just spouting nonsense because you cant get over the fact a team got comprehesively beat.. You need to ask yourself about what you believe in not discredit others!

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