EPS - Where they learnt their trade.

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 5:12 pm

As usual, once the squad is selected I look at where the players developed. A couple of RL players, so their first RU clubs get 1/2pt each.

Bath 1/2 (Eastmond)
Bristol 1 (Attwood)
Gloucester 1 (Burns)
Harlequins 3.33 (Marler, Robshaw, Brown) + a bit of Care
Leeds 0.67 (Care)
Leicester 6 (Cole, Croft, YoungsT, YoungsB, Tuilagi, Twelvetrees)
London Irish 2 (Corbisiero, Yarde)
Natal 1 (Barritt)
Newcastle 4 (Parling, Wilson, Dickson, Flood)
Northampton 2 (Hartley*, Lawes, Ashton)
Sale 1 (Foden)
Saracens 3 (MakoV, Farrell, Goode)
Scarlets 1 (Morgan)
Wasps 3 (Launchbury, Billy V, Wade)
Worcester 2 1/2 (Hartley, Kvesic, Wood)

While Barritt arrived in England at 22, Hartley came at 16. I have split him between Worcester, where he started and made a decent number of appearances for the first team, and Saints who he joined at 19.

by Bathman_in_London Thu 01 Aug 2013, 5:39 pm

Wouldn't Attwood be counted as a Bristol player?

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 5:54 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:Wouldn't Attwood be counted as a Bristol player?

I thought he joined Glaws as a teenager, but he was already 22. I had not realised he was 26 already.

by Bathite Thu 01 Aug 2013, 5:55 pm

Burns needs to be in the Bath box

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:00 pm

Bathite wrote:Burns needs to be in the Bath box

Nope. He never appeared for a senior team, andwas what, 17 when he left the Bath academy? By that measure Launchbury should be down as Quins.

by thebandwagonsociety Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:14 pm

So if Barrett learnt his trade in Natal, does that make him the sole player in the EPS that qualified on residency rules (or does he have parentage)?

by thebandwagonsociety Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:16 pm

Is Burns twice as good as any other player or is there a name missing from the Gloucester list?

by HammerofThunor Thu 01 Aug 2013, 6:20 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:So if Barrett learnt his trade in Natal, does that make him the sole player in the EPS that qualified on residency rules (or does he have parentage)?

Both Barritt's parents are English I think. Tuilagi and the Vunipolas are residency. Barritt is probably the 'most foreign' in that he was an adult when he came here. All the other played all their adult rugby in England or we born and raised in England (Morgan)

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 7:06 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:Is Burns twice as good as any other player or is there a name missing from the Gloucester list?

When I removed Attwood, I forgot to reduce the Gloucester count

by The Saint Thu 01 Aug 2013, 7:15 pm

Surely New Panteg should be the ones getting a point for Mako V, not Saracens?

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:36 pm

The Saint wrote:Surely New Panteg should be the ones getting a point for Mako V, not Saracens?

Yeah right.

Bristol deserve some credit for him as he was there from 18-20 (And at Millfield School from 16-18).

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:38 pm

Can we get some credit for making Care into the 9 he is today though? If Bath get 1/2 for Eastmond aury we can get that!

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:41 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Can we get some credit for making Care into the 9 he is today though? If Bath get 1/2 for Eastmond aury we can get that!

Given you 1/3.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:41 pm

thanks

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 8:42 pm

Good contribution by Newcastle all in all

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:11 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote: thanks

It would have been more, but you taught him how to do his hair.

by The Saint Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:32 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
The Saint wrote:Surely New Panteg should be the ones getting a point for Mako V, not Saracens?

Yeah right.

Bristol deserve some credit for him as he was there from 18-20 (And at Millfield School from 16-18).

Thought so, but I thought it would have been Filton College.

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:33 pm

Fair enough

by The Saint Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:34 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote: thanks

It would have been more, but you taught him how to do his hair.

Maybe he can go to a Welsh team and be taught how to drink?

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:43 pm

Like Gav you mean?

by ChequeredJersey Thu 01 Aug 2013, 9:44 pm

Plus he's given it up. Takes a real man to admit he can't handle his booze and then to address that in the most effective way

by yappysnap Fri 02 Aug 2013, 9:11 am

LondonTiger wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote: thanks

It would have been more, but you taught him how to do his hair.

That can't be taught, some people are just born that way...

by yappysnap Fri 02 Aug 2013, 9:12 am

LT would you fancy doing the same for Saxons as well? As they're more a representation of future talent being watched by the Eng management at club level.

by Geordie Fri 02 Aug 2013, 10:03 am

Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again... thumbsup

by thomh Fri 02 Aug 2013, 10:14 am

LondonTiger wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Can we get some credit for making Care into the 9 he is today though? If Bath get 1/2 for Eastmond aury we can get that!

Given you 1/3.

But he joined Quins at 19 - same age Hartley went to Saints, and Saints have been given a 0.5 for that.

I DEMAND AN EXTRA 0.2 POINTS.

by Bathman_in_London Fri 02 Aug 2013, 10:57 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again...

Don't worry Geordie, the Leicester vultures will be circling once again too...

by ChequeredJersey Fri 02 Aug 2013, 11:25 am

Bathman_in_London wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again...

Don't worry Geordie, the Leicester vultures will be circling once again too...

And then the Bath vultures will swoop in on the Leicester ones, right?

by Bathman_in_London Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:03 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Bathman_in_London wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again...

Don't worry Geordie, the Leicester vultures will be circling once again too...
And then the Bath vultures will swoop in on the Leicester ones, right?

Only when they are crocked and old and want a last pay day.

by Geordie Fri 02 Aug 2013, 12:44 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again...

Don't worry Geordie, the Leicester vultures will be circling once again too...

hhhmmm...not anymore i dont think. Thing's ar'a changin' bonnie lad...whey aye!

by yappysnap Fri 09 Aug 2013, 8:42 am

I think teams will wait and see how those Championship players get in in the top flight before coming calling...

I know Wuss have supplied Internationals to other clubs, but have any Wuss players ever got an England call up while at Worcester?

by formerly known as Sam Fri 09 Aug 2013, 8:49 am

Kvesic as recently as the end of the season.

by BigTrevsbigmac Fri 09 Aug 2013, 8:55 am

Exeter are notable for their absence on that list. However, that will change in years to come looking at some of their youngsters coming through the ranks.

by ChequeredJersey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 8:59 am

Hasn't Mullan played for England too?

by yappysnap Fri 09 Aug 2013, 9:54 am

Wasn't Kvesic selected for the EPS and Eng once he had signed for Bath? And I don't think Mullan has an Eng cap, he's only played Baabaa's games if he's played any (could be wrong) plus he's not with Wuss any more.

by Bathman_in_London Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:02 pm

He's at Glaws now yappy, he was on the radar while at Worcester though I guess you could argue he was called up once he said he was off. I think Mullan is a 1 cap wonder at the moment, so that must have come while at Wuss.

by HammerofThunor Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:09 pm

Mullen got at least one cap in the 6 nations a few years ago.

by bluestonevedder Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:09 pm

yappysnap wrote:Wasn't Kvesic selected for the EPS and Eng once he had signed for Bath? And I don't think Mullan has an Eng cap, he's only played Baabaa's games if he's played any (could be wrong) plus he's not with Wuss any more.

Pretty sure Mullan got a random odd cap during the Six Nations a few years ago in place of Payne.

by Geordie Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:42 pm

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:Exeter are notable for their absence on that list. However, that will change in years to come looking at some of their youngsters coming through the ranks.

Too right they are dominating the age grades at the moment. ONly problem is...will they suffer as Leicester etc have when England take half their squad...

by formerly known as Sam Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:58 pm

Age grade representation is not indicative of international success. The tale of two 12s is a fine example. Matt Cornwall England under 20s captain in a good side has never been capped or held down a spot in an AP side. Billy Twelvetrees broke his leg at 17 missed out on under 18 and under 20 selection but is now a regular in the squad and a touring Lion.

Now some of the Chiefs young guns are real quality so will more than likely get caps but doesn't necessarily mean they'll lose loads in every international window.

by Dubbelyew L Overate Fri 09 Aug 2013, 8:49 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
BigTrevsbigmac wrote:Exeter are notable for their absence on that list. However, that will change in years to come looking at some of their youngsters coming through the ranks.
Too right they are dominating the age grades at the moment. ONly problem is...will they suffer as Leicester etc have when England take half their squad...

Exe youngsters have had a big influence in this year's U20's, and, to a lesser extent, last year's, but there's only 2 on the current U18 tour and there'll probably be only 1, maybe 2, in the upcoming U20 squad.

it's really just been a particularly good year group coming out of Devon and Cornwall (and staying in the SW instead of going upcountry to Bath, Bris or Glaws as they used to).

by Metal Tiger Thu 15 Aug 2013, 8:25 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Yes and dont worry people...the Falcons academy is on overdrive once again...

Good. It's always nice to see future Tigers academy players doing well.

by Geordie Fri 16 Aug 2013, 8:18 am

oh MT...

In truth does anyone think we will still be losing players as frequently with this current Board and Management group....i really cant see it.

by Metal Tiger Wed 21 Aug 2013, 3:17 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote: oh MT...

In truth does anyone think we will still be losing players as frequently with this current Board and Management group....i really cant see it.

I hope you do manage to keep hold of your players this time around, would be nice to see some strong teams from "oop north"

by formerly known as Sam Fri 23 Aug 2013, 12:19 pm

Yeah and with LI fading there's plenty of young talent for everyone to rob from down south. Should give the Falcons a couple of seasons to stake their claim as a big AP club again.

Another poor season and Sale could find a good number of their young talent leaving. In Imolek, Thomas, Brady etc there's a few who could be deemed worth stealing by bigger clubs.

Seems the way of the AP, show weakness and the vultures will descend on your young talent.

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