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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:07 pm

The series deciding ODI between England and Australia has just got underway. Steven Finn and Jonathan Trott are out with mild injury concerns, and Chris Jordan is making his England debut, and Luke Wright also gets an opportunity. For Australia, skipper Michael Clarke is fit and playing, and leggy Fawad Ahmed is also back.
Australia won the toss and are batting.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:09 pm

Australia are without the injured Shaun Marsh, and Phil Hughes gets a game.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:13 pm

Been impressed from what I've seen of Rankin
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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:14 pm

First wicket for Jordan! Well done to him! Phil Hughes looking as comfortable as ever against the bouncing ball. Both Rankin and then Jordan with the wicket had him hopping about, admittedly he hasn't had much cricket but his weaknesses are still so apparent.

Finch is the man England need though. Looking dangerous.

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:15 pm

Olly wrote:Been impressed from what I've seen of Rankin
Agreed. Can't see him not going to Aus with the Ashes squad tbh. Above Tremlett now I would imagine.

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:15 pm

Thanks for the thread, msp. I've already made the odd doubting comment about Jordan on an old thread. Very early days but justified at this stage with CJ going for 2 boundaries in his opening over.

I haven't seen very much of this series but - from what I have - Rankin has surprised and impressed me. He should be ahead of Tremlett (who had a shocker for Surrey in last week's CC match at Somerset) in the England pecking order.

And with that - Jordan has a wicket!!

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:16 pm

Great minds about Rankin!

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:17 pm

Think England see Jordan as a bit of a project. Still only 24, nice pace and a nice strong action with the ability to bat a bit down the order; you'd think he looks the perfect cricketer for England in ODI's. Probably a bit too early for him as he's only had one good season, but worth a look in the final match.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:21 pm

Rankin did impress as an Ireland bowler. Don't really like his switch, nevertheless a good start to his England career.

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:23 pm

Jordan - 2 overs, 2 boundaries, 2 wides and a wicket. The only thing missing from his old Surrey repertoire is a no ball!

JD - I'm sure you're right about Jordan. It was always thought at the Oval that there was a lot of potential with him. Unfortunately, the frustrations got too much for all.

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:26 pm

I can certainly see why Jordan was dispensed with by Surrey. Into his third over and already a few loose balls that have been dispatched mercilessly. Like his upside though.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:33 pm

The initial look of Jordan suggests that he's worth a bit of investment. Has some fire in his bowling, though his sense of direction isn't finetuned as of now.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:36 pm

Jordan should look to pitch it up a bit more. Too much of the short stuff at the moment from him.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 2:49 pm

The rain has arrived.

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 3:09 pm

Finch slices a full ball to Mogs first ball after the rain delay!

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 3:11 pm

Stokes on a hat trick! Wade goes first ball!

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 3:14 pm

Good hat trick ball, Clarke keeps it out. Stokes with 2-1 off 1!

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:09 pm

Australia again going after Tredwell and it again paying off. 17 from his second over. Looks like Wright will have to be entrusted with a few overs ....

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:11 pm

I've never really understood why teams don't attack Tredwell more. I mean to me he only seems to have a change of flight/pace and that's it, doesn't turn it or anything. He's there to be taken to the cleaners if you're good enough
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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:11 pm

The Australians continue to target Tredwell, and he hasn't been able to find a way back in as yet.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:14 pm

Watson and Clarke are ripping into the England bowling. England need a wicket and need it soon.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:15 pm

something needs to be done about those bats they use nowadays, way too many mishits are going for six, surely time to regulate a little?

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:15 pm

Hmm. Appeared that Tredwell had come back well - just 2 singles off the first 5 balls of his third over, then Watson wallops the last one for six!

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:18 pm

Tredwell being slapped all around the park, painful.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:18 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:something needs to be done about those bats they use nowadays, way too many mishits are going for six, surely time to regulate a little?
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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:20 pm

Tredwell continues to take a serious beating.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:21 pm

trouble with England's team today is they only have one good bowler in Rankin, and one decent one in Stokes, the rest aren't really good enough for this level, and when they come up against good players it's showing...

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:22 pm

Olly wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:something needs to be done about those bats they use nowadays, way too many mishits are going for six, surely time to regulate a little?
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point remains though, call me old-fashioned but I think players should have to hit the ball near the middle to go for 6... Watson's gotten hold of one properly (the first off Tredwell). Root on now, probably England's third best bowler today...

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:25 pm

Michael Clarke not rotating the strike all that well. A bit of relief that for England. But Morgan needs to change things around a bit, as of now its all too easy for the 2 Australian batsmen.
And here is Root replacing Tredwell.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:28 pm

Australia are never too far away from a massive collapse, otherwise 350 looks sureshot here.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:28 pm

Aus should get 400 here, think Morgan needs to gamble and bring back Rankin. Rubbish from Bops, taken for a couple more boundaries.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:30 pm

Clarke isn't scoring too many singles, but he has been picking up enough boundaries so that the lack of singles doesn't affect the tempo of the innings.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:32 pm

Think Morgan should give Wright a go. Bopara, Tredwell and Root have combined figures of 0-92 in 12 overs.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:42 pm

with each passing game englands selections suggest they're desperate to give aussie something to take home.
 
what a shambles.
 
maybe their view is that looking at the fringe players is learning something and getting more than the practice knock oz are getting.


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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:45 pm

msp83 wrote:Think Morgan should give Wright a go. Bopara, Tredwell and Root have combined figures of 0-92 in 12 overs.
And I was only worried about Jordan at the start!! Rolling Eyes 

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:48 pm

I feel for those who paid for this.

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Post by msp83 Mon 16 Sep 2013, 4:57 pm

Rankin has been excellent so far. Only 23 of his 8 overs. Jordan expensive, but he has added the wicket of Clarke as well.

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:04 pm

msp83 wrote:Rankin has been excellent so far. Only 23 of his 8 overs. Jordan expensive, but he has added the wicket of Clarke as well.
Jordon now going at less than a run a ball which is bl**dy fantastic compared to most of his team mates (admittedly not Rankin who has really surprised and impressed me in this series).

Very worrying though that with Australia 220-4, 11 of the final 15 overs need to be bowled by a combo of Stokes / Bopara / Tredwell / Root / Wright.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:07 pm

Nice work by Buttler behind the stumps, he's having a good series
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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:09 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
msp83 wrote:Rankin has been excellent so far. Only 23 of his 8 overs. Jordan expensive, but he has added the wicket of Clarke as well.
Jordon now going at less than a run a ball which is bl**dy fantastic compared to most of his team mates (admittedly not Rankin who has really surprised and impressed me in this series).

Very worrying though that with Australia 220-4, 11 of the final 15 overs need to be bowled by a combo of Stokes / Bopara /  Tredwell / Root / Wright.
oh dear.

target of 800?

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:37 pm

Just the 28 off Root's sixth and - I would presume - final over.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:37 pm

bbc score just showed an over going for 28.

blimey.

root was it?   poor lad got exposed there.

if England picked some quality bowling he wouldn't have had to.

poor poor poor from the selectors.


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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:38 pm

Ahh, one over too many for Joseph then.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:40 pm

Watson out at last.

he has come into form nicely and England have certainly helped him there with their choices.  well played Watson.


this is probably 50 over what England can get now given their fragile state.

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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:42 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:bbc score just showed an over going for 28.

blimey.

root was it?   poor lad got exposed there.

if England picked some quality bowling he wouldn't have had to.

poor poor poor from the selectors.
Very good point made by Trebs. Root shouldn't be having to fill in for as many as 6 overs.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:44 pm

definitely not gf.  eng were a first choice bowler short and they know it.

root for a few definitely but not 6.

looking at the wickets now he has probably given them the 30 extra that guarantees victory and it shouldn't have been that way.  If the usual bbc muppets make Root the villain they can get lost.


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Post by guildfordbat Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:45 pm

Australia 284-8 as Stokes gets Watson and Johnson in the 45th over. We might get them all out a few overs short and yet still get hammered!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:48 pm

stokes the  high point for England for sure.  well him and rankin are genuine finds.

add them to what we have and it's stronger in all but spin where we are in trouble.

and yeah the score is way too high now.

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Post by JDizzle Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:49 pm

5 now for Stokes. clap 

Him and Jordan have impressed in patches, but Rankin has been the stand out all series. Tredwell's bubble has also been burst a little after a fantastic CT. The main lesson is we need 5 proper bowlers, can't afford to muddle through with 3/4.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 16 Sep 2013, 5:51 pm

So if we had to pick our 4 seamers for ODI's who would they be?

Anderson and Broad deffo's?

Finn/Rankin for one slot, and then Bresnan/Stokes/Bopara for the other, more all rounder slot?
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